something else to chew on

[Marcel R. Cyr]

Originally Posted by john bubber

Way toooooo many like this,BAD ADVICE from HI on THIS subject
http://www.weinspectforyou.com/03-07%20newsletter.pdf

Solution, REGRADE with clay?????

And says if that doesn`t work it may be advisable to install a hydrostatic pressure relief system????? Average cost $2,500-4,000?
Chtt man, where you getting yer numbers.

Average situation you`ll need 10-20 `barrows of clay,average cost $400 to $1,000.

You are ASSUMING crap,you are not helping homeowners to FIRST identify,locate their problem....then fix the dang thing correctly.

If the problem is say, water entering through a crack on outside of block wall at-near a corner then, adding soil doesn`t waterproof the crack.....

If the problem is water entering through,around a basement window or door or through open mortar joints above he wall then, adding soil doesn`t tuckpoint the open joints,doesn`t replace the basement window or seal the gaps/openings aroud a door.......

If the problem is a blockage in the lateral line or w/a sump pump etc then,adding soil doesn`t snake the lateral line etc etc. If the problem is a corner crack that $1,000 will waterproof the dumb cracks versus playing silly azz games w/soil.Snaking lateral line is usually $150-200 and so on.

Adding soil...................
doesn`t diagnose/identify the problems,hello???
doesn`t waterproof/fix/repair whatever the real problem is,sheesh K!

And ADDING clay can,will increase the weight/pressure against a basement wall,yes it will. The more chtt you add the more weight.

http://www.helium.com/items/1022235-...d-patio?page=3
'Many contractors that install patios do not understand the effect of a new raised patio on the adjacent wall' (adding soil,especially clay or pouring a new driveway on top of existing drive etc)

'Weight of the soil is one of the primary factors that determines how much lateral pressure is caused by the soil against the foundation wall........

...even what may be considered relatively small increases in backfill can cause large increases in pressure against the wall....Additional weight
of ANYTHING plcaed on top of soil backfill causes additional lateral pressure against the foundation wall'

On the OTHER hand,thankfully there are some HI`s who get more than others....... Ari understands MORE than the INSIDE System bozo`s who could care less about identifying the problem/eyeballing the walls etc
-Leaky Foundations Best Fixed From Outside
http://homes.winnipegfreepress.com/i...=article&id=24

If an HI recommends adding soil/clay or installing an inside pressure relief system and bypasses identifying the actual problem(s) then their az may be called out w/any ongoing problems or possibly, if any damage occurs to basement wall after adding clay. WHY do sooo many insist THEY have the solutions to leaky basements when they don`t have any real experience/knowledge. Advice.....QUIT listening to inside system knuckleheads at yer HI meetings.

Steppenwolf/Snowblind Friend
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKraf_V0ZPc

Good post John, and I agree with you 100%

Marcel

[john bubber]

Thanks Marcel,appreciate it.

Hey Mr C, have seen your long list of foundation links and obviously many good ones. Have you thought about adding any of the following to that list,am sure its a pain to keep adding or subtracting links but could only help inform other HI`s or possibly some homeowners searching for facts and who may find your list...have asked the BBB and several hosts of Hm Imp radio shows to simply make these available to public but umm, they refuse as it would upset their paid inside system friends,wouldn`t wanna pizz them off right? lol

http://www.lrb.usace.army.mil/Amhers...st-2005-01.pdf

a few photos from unbiased source wouldn`t hurt http://www.lrb.usace.army.mil/Amhers...os/photos.html


http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/DPWES/p...marineclay.htm


one builder here,other than you, who understands the importance of backfilling w/most-all gravel AND, they have zero complaints unlike the others you know http://dwightyoderbuilders.com/concrete.cfm


this is good article,no way BV wrote it as he gets $$$ from inside system co. http://www.bobvila.com/HowTo_Library...ion-A2095.html


possible basement back ups,lateral line
http://www.msdgc.org/downloads/wib/c...t_basement.pdf


http://www.helium.com/items/1022235-...d-patio?page=3


http://geosurvey.state.co.us/Default.aspx?tabid=392


good one on efflorescence
http://www.aggregateresearch.com/for...ID=82&MID=2360


or some others posted throughout,Your-leaking-house forum is a goodie too.
Ok, no biggie,am sure yer busy and know its a pain.thanks again.
Apparently i`m not rubbing elbows w/right people. They had an 'A' about 1-2 weeks ago and now 'no rating'. lol
http://detroit.bbb.org/WWWRoot/Repor...&firm=13040049 zero customer complaints,ever.
Versus others who`ve had correspondence w/Atty General and/or have
5-20-50 BBB customer complaints within last 36 months and yet somehow magically, BBB gives them an A,A+.
16 complaints,scroll down see Govt Actions BUT, they get an A,paid member http://reports-boston.bbb.org/Boston...t.aspx?i=37896

A+ here LOL ,10 complaints and state enforcement action but BBB doesn`t list that.
http://detroit.bbb.org/WWWRoot/Repor...2&firm=4002340
What the Beatles sing, money can`t buy ya love?
Well, sure seems money can buy the BBB. Got milk???

Hayley singin Can`t Buy Me Love
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mk9g6ps3DTI

[john bubber]

Video, Everdry
http://www.wane.com/dpp/wildcard_2/w...rthern_Indiana
'What would be the difference between calling you and some other local waterproofing co'? ...Education,he claims.
If you people haven`t changed,haven`t further educated yourselves and still come to same conclusions,supposed remedies as before then homeowners should not call you. Geez man, yer Multi Step costs $17,000+ up here.

Tell us about the links,problems below please sir.

http://www.theindychannel.com/statio...62/detail.html
State wants to shut down Waterproofing businesses

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...2/ai_n22284956
Atty Gen suit,homeowners problems persisted after they did business
w/Everdry Ft Wayne

http://indianalawblog.com/archives/2...ions_u_41.html

http://atgindsha01.atg.in.gov/cpd/do...r-348910-1.pdf

list of fined telemarketers,one is Everdry Ft Wayne
http://www2.indystar.com/users/news/...callfines.html


Maybe these guys are as Dennis Green describes, 'They are who we thought they were!'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_N1OjGhIFc

[john bubber]

Pic`s
http://www.flickr.com/photos/folly/3...57610352471050
See where steps,bottom step kisses basement wall....crack.
Other pics to follow, sure looks like they backfill w/same soil...........
gonna have x-amount of settling,even if contractor tries to compact
soil and so its possible those steps could settle,move,drop....even if
they drop a tad, the steps/porch (the weight) can cause re-cracking
in the wall BELOW grade and/or right where ya see crack above grade
and that means,after all the work/money spent this HO may leak again.

One other note, the soil/the bank under edge of footing could
cave-in,its possible.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/folly/3...7610352471050/
'weight' of concrete.....could/might cause cracks/problems. Not saying it
did on this house,it may have and may not.Sometimes a slab+ can
settle/move a lil and lean against top of basement wall.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/folly/3...7610352471050/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/folly/3...7610352471050/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/folly/3...7610352471050/
says, 'first piling in place'.
Don`t see any crack in footing,so far see NO reason for anything other
than exterior waterproofing,correct backfilling and getting the weights/
pressures/causes off the wall......and of course tuckpointing.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/folly/3...7610352471050/
No hydraulic cement,no visqueen?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/folly/3...7610352471050/
Same soil used as backfill

http://www.flickr.com/photos/folly/3...7610352471050/
would not recommend using this drain tile at depths greater than 4'

Pic set http://www.flickr.com/photos/follyse...7610352471050/


--Next house
Says........'Basement waterproofing'. Sorry but no,this is not basement waterproofing.
http://picasaweb.google.com/gailbhay...15920324741602

http://picasaweb.google.com/gailbhay...15787180755410

Some homeowners 'think' they just had their wall(s) waterproofed and when it leaks
again they`ll say stuff like..... 'we had walls waterproofed,still leak,doesn`t work' etc.

http://picasaweb.google.com/gailbhay...26308327265170
When bricks and joints are going to be underground they need to be waterproofed/
protected.Can see where they had dirt piled up against bricks,if they are going to
backfill and have same/similar raised grade they need to protect those bricks,joints.

--Next home
http://www.flickr.com/photos/peppysis/2795763731/
Says.....'hopefully this will last a lifetime'. O dear! We 'hope' so too but highly doubt it.

Ya see what it is? Some homeowners have been,are being and will continue to be BS`d
on this subject.Yep,some are well intentioned but are actually hurting homeowners
http://www.flickr.com/photos/peppysi...n/photostream/


Cheryl Ladd ....got milk?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMDLO...eature=related

J.R.Ewing commenting on Victoria Principal ....got milk?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNiQ9...eature=related

Linda Carter in Starsky `n Hutch episode ...got milk?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3-tN...eature=related

Melissa Theuriau/is she saying she wants to come dig a hole w/us,i can`t tell
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVL3N...eature=related

Hi, i`m Mr Pickle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xv-MR...eature=related

[john bubber]

No, didn`t read the entire article,couple of points though...
http://www.jfminspections.com/Wet%20Basement.htm

1) the good........ at end of article
'Further confusion exists because of decades of armies of
waterproofing-SALESMEN bleating about underground springs(which mainly
exist in the imagination of the salesmen) and other less likely scenarios'...
You win one of Grandmas cookies.

2) the bad.....para 11
'Generally speaking,filling in soil around the foundation is somewhat
less expensive than all other approaches,but tends to be a more
PERMANENT SOLUTION'....

3) the ugly.... 'exterior waterproofing'
'Exterior waterproofing.......should NOT be,in any way, confused with
systems that waterproof a basement.....Waterproofing a foundation is
accomplished with roof gutters and downspouts and connected storm
drains'.....

So yer gonna tell my old azz that what we/some others have done for
20-30+ years w/no customer complaints, is not waterproofing???
And all anyone needs is roof gutters,downspouts etc???

-Again,didn`t read all....couple points
http://skylinehomeinspection.com/***...hadowMar07.PDF
Page 8....see pic of steps
Condition
Says, front stairs appear to function as intended and in good condition.
Settlement is noted to the stairs at rear entance.

Just asking, would it hurt to help inform potential BUYER and add something like.......
the weight of the steps after settling is now leaning against top of basement wall and could cause a crack etc in wall and subsequent leakage in basement.Something along those lines to help protect the buyer and the HI?

At least the buyer would know they may have to spend x-amount on possible exterior waterproofing in this area and removing/replacing steps.There could already be an EXTERIOR crack in block wall that is NOT visible on inside,as in following pic`s....
http://www2.snapfish.com/slideshow/A...6/t_=122238283
This crack,and some others on outside are NOT visible on inside....but as ya see they do indeed exist outside and is why this basement leaks......got milk???

You won`t see this either on inside....around the corner from where root is
http://www2.snapfish.com/slideshow/A...6/t_=122238283

See a few hairline cracks on inside but you won`t see the corner cracks and screwed up exterior block from inside
http://www2.snapfish.com/thumbnailsh...6/t_=122238283


Pg 10.......
Foundation......see pic of crack
Says in part, 'Recommend sealing cracks'...............
Its a hollow block wall so, if your gonna state 'recommend sealing cracks'
.....then by what means? Since you brought it up,are you saying its enough for potential buyer to seal crack on inside?
Some buyers are going to ask the HI so,what will you tell them about HOW to seal the crack?

For those HI`s who have said stuff like, 'Oh just seal on inside and keep eye on it and maybe raise the grade'......this doesn`t allow the buyer a chance to deal w/seller and deduct the cost of what it will take to correctly 'seal the crack' on the outside/exterior waterproofing.

Will ANY ANY ANY ANY ANY......INSIDE SYSTEM fix/repair/waterproof those cracks and that deteriorated corner in snapfish links?
Will ANY INSIDE SYSTEM remove the ROOT,which is the CAUSE of the cracks and subsequent leaks in basement?
NooOOooOOooOO way Jose.

Jeff Dunham and family in bed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nb3atQpsDFo

[john bubber]

These guys at MI Novi home show,Atlantic Coast Waterproofing
http://www.novihomeshow.com/Exhibito...Exhibitors.htm

http://www.atlanticcoastwaterproofing.com/aboutus.html
Says here,owned by Gary `n Denice.....Gary is son of Greg who is supposedly one of the world`s leading authorities on basement waterproofing, i just can`t seem to find anything worthy of such status

There aren`t that many 'Lustig`s' who do basement waterproofing ok.....
and just digging for some truth here, got milk?
What one finds when searching DLEG fer Gary `n Gene is....
'Gary Gene'...temporary builders-salesperson for World Wide Waterproofing
https://www2.dleg.state.mi.us/colaLi...ype=Individual

'Gregory G'...temporary builders-salesperson for National Waterproofing Corp of Mich which,can`t seem to find anything on
https://www2.dleg.state.mi.us/colaLi...ype=Individual

Gregory Gene...temporary builders-salesperson for World Wide Water`g
https://www2.dleg.state.mi.us/colaLi...ype=Individual

Hi Denice,just got it in 2008,good for you
https://www2.dleg.state.mi.us/colaLi...ype=Individual

just figured maybe w/all that experience of Gary er Greg er....whoever
would have license in their name.

Is Tim a relative?
https://www2.dleg.state.mi.us/colaLi...ype=Individual
...those fines add up

[Marcel R. Cyr]

Originally Posted by john bubber

These guys at MI Novi home show,Atlantic Coast Waterproofing
http://www.novihomeshow.com/Exhibito...Exhibitors.htm

http://www.atlanticcoastwaterproofing.com/aboutus.html
Says here,owned by Gary `n Denice.....Gary is son of Greg who is supposedly one of the world`s leading authorities on basement waterproofing, i just can`t seem to find anything worthy of such status

There aren`t that many 'Lustig`s' who do basement waterproofing ok.....
and just digging for some truth here, got milk?
What one finds when searching DLEG fer Gary `n Gene is....
'Gary Gene'...temporary builders-salesperson for World Wide Waterproofing
https://www2.dleg.state.mi.us/colaLi...ype=Individual

'Gregory G'...temporary builders-salesperson for National Waterproofing Corp of Mich which,can`t seem to find anything on
https://www2.dleg.state.mi.us/colaLi...ype=Individual

Gregory Gene...temporary builders-salesperson for World Wide Water`g
https://www2.dleg.state.mi.us/colaLi...ype=Individual

Hi Denice,just got it in 2008,good for you
https://www2.dleg.state.mi.us/colaLi...ype=Individual

just figured maybe w/all that experience of Gary er Greg er....whoever
would have license in their name.

Is Tim a relative?
https://www2.dleg.state.mi.us/colaLi...ype=Individual
...those fines add up

It is all about the Buck, John, nothing else.

He probably dose not know more about waterproofing than you and me.

Marcel

[john bubber]

Yep,unfortunately for homeowners

Just can`t stand all the deception,false claims,fraud etc...kills my old az
knowing more `n more peeps are going to get ___k`d.

[john bubber]

Damage from sump pump installation by......Basement Systems
http://picasaweb.google.com/LMRinker/WaterDamage


http://picasaweb.google.com/LMRinker...53402362541282
yep,looks a bit wet down there


http://picasaweb.google.com/LMRinker...53621405873426



Another homeowner been BS`d into an inside system and beams?
http://picasaweb.google.com/abelinco...80896474738002


http://picasaweb.google.com/abelinco...51102889730642


http://picasaweb.google.com/abelinco...80888886719170


Dude, did you hand dig and waterproof the crack er what?
http://picasaweb.google.com/kevinbco...72740709324098


http://picasaweb.google.com/kevinbco...71522628235650


E*Trade sneak peek at what won`t be making the big game this year
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8Ev5...ture=yva-title

[john bubber]

http://www2.snapfish.com/thumbnailsh...6/t_=122238283

Bought house 12 months ago. 3 walls,numerous cracks,blocks deteriorated. Same 3 walls had no paneling etc against `em
Had home inspection,according to HO the inspector told her the corner-crack and bow was 'nothing to worry about' and did not say anything about other cracks that were patched `n painted over and did not make any note about cracks on inspection report.

Seller and realtors didn`t state or note anything on disclosure.
Baseboard molding put on along bottom-blocks to try `n help HIDE the
deterioration of those bottom blocks.

http://www2.snapfish.com/slideshow/t...6/t_=122238283
See corner? Nothing to worry about?
There are 2 corners like this.

http://www2.snapfish.com/slideshow/t...6/t_=122238283
Bottom blocks deteriorating,baseboard shtt put on,couldn`t see this?
Noooo way, not a chance, the corner,the deteriorated blocks and most cracks recently occurred!

See/read some of the HI`s thoughts on whether or not state licensing is necessary, some for......some against. What some of us here in MI clearly know is there are quite a few absolute misfit-knucklehead inspectors who should not be inspecting any g dang house and would most likely have a difficult time holding a job at Burger King,the dumb azz`z.

One paragraph rant
Hey MICH home inspectors, take yer head outta yer Azz will ya please!
Its YOUR JOB, you GET PAID to find,locate problems,damage in these freakin homes.....your are supposed to HELP homeowners,not FC them! Your not furthering your education on THIS subject by having those incompetent Inside system speakers at chapter meetings.
NO....NOT all HI`s but quite a few of `em here and for decades they have screwed MANY homeowners. You need to be S U E D repeatedly,may be the only thing to wake yer azz up.....$250-$500 for SHTT inspection like this? Do you have a clue or care how much this is going to COST???


-Next
http://www2.snapfish.com/thumbnailsh...6/t_=122238283
First 5 pics.....
Gas company replaced old line,used equipment,caused the vertical crack in pics 3,4 and
widened the exterior corner crack in pics 1,2.

Other home in Eastpointe, pile of chtt imo.
Other than 'some' home inspectors in MI, like nitwit who inspected house/first-link above.....you should be able to see some mold,efflorescence,cracks in basement walls,step cracks in bricks etc.

Pics 18,19.....someone put some tar/mastic where patio `n house meet....umm,
this doesn`t solve CHTT ok? Nada,nothing. If it makes you feel better to do this stuff
fine but doesn`t fix/repair/solve anything. The slabs could,can still settle regardless of
caulking/whatever along patio,driveways.....especially when there are trees/roots underground.

For those who recommend inside systems/companies, still think its OK that they cover/hide basement walls,huh? Just leave the expanding-contracting soil against outside wall?
Leave the roots,concrete,porch footings there? Leave these exteriors cracks OPEN?
You must be crazy.


Pink Floyd/Dogs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KheDj...eature=related

Genesis/Illegal Alien
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMgzHTf37-U

The Grass Roots/Midnight Confessions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCdGqed6Ajg

Doors/LA Woman
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aJJ1kXrswg

[john bubber]

Exterior openings/gaps in,around,under,above doors or basement windows need to be identified and repaired,just like exterior cracks in basement walls or a hole in the roof or yer head.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/shannon...7610607622663/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/shannon...7610607622663/

Many homeowners get blcchtt`d by inside system salesdorks,especially when there is paneling/drywall against basement wall.Some will only see the water that has entered along floor-wall,they don`t bother to take piece of drywall off and LOOK behind the chtt and wind up believing dipshtt salesman when they tell homeowner there is a supposed hydrostatic pressure problem under the dumb floor.

New/newer basement windows,doors do leak.Some homeowners don`t 'get-it'. Had a lady the other day who called and wanted estimate for
one leaky area in basment....this area was right under new basement window,is wet/damp right under window.There is drywall agst wall. She didn`t believe this is part or all of her problem,where water FIRST enters.

She tells Bubberman she`s going to call other waterproofers because she doesn`t believe she can get that much water on floor,after having new windows installed. Ok lady, whatever you want,whatever makes you happy....you call one or more inside system twerps they`ll bs you into an inside system for $7,000-20,000,hope that makes you happy,thats what ya wanna hear eh.Bye bye and lotsa luck.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/shannon...7610607622663/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/shannon...7610607622663/

Others times,some will wanna play around,get talked into putting a drain and/or vertical drain tile inside window well when its the dumb azz window
or other openings/gaps in sill or around window that is the real problem.
Not saying this lady, but others have been talked into that chtt.
http://picasaweb.google.com/juliesol...8BasementFlood

And some think painting the basement walls is the answer/solution
http://www.flickr.com/ardenshelton/2...7602746935882/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ardensh...7602746935882/


http://www.flickr.com/photos/craigan...7594463933537/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/craigan...7594463933537/
says.....'...laying subfloor,cleaned up the walls and gave `em couple coats of Drylock...made it feel cleaner'
What ya`s really needed to do was find out why the mold,efflorescence,discolorment is on basement walls BEFORE you start remodeling the dumb basement and spending that cash


http://www.flickr.com/photos/bolton4...7607466878620/
says......'No leaks anywhere'

http://www.flickr.com/photos/bolton4/2884094335/
says....'the entire basement has fresh paint'.....'One wall still gets water on heavy rains,small amout....used Drylock in the suspect area which helped but still gets a little water...' Thought ya just said NO leaks anywhere. Gotta watch alot of those realtors and flippers,they love painting basement walls


http://www.flickr.com/photos/naladah...7602413292006/
apparently had inside system installed by Basement Systems around June 2007
....'hurray'.
Then several months go by.....March 4,2008
http://www.flickr.com/photos/naladah...7602413292006/
NOW says, 'Too good to be true,water coming in'
And then July 2008....
http://www.flickr.com/photos/naladah...7602413292006/
...'water seepage through some cracks' ...right along where floor was broken up
No... 'hurray' at this time.


Rat action in laundry room
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sarasimmons/2710947875/


http://www.flickr.com/halliew/232690...7604097470773/
Hmm, what ta do?
Raise grade? Inside system? Paint walls?


http://www.flickr.com/photos/madloun...in/set-349107/
crack

might wanna fix these things correctly
http://www.flickr.com/photos/34867737@N03/

[john bubber]

Why risk damaging basement wall(s)? The WEIGHT of the cement truck AND the concrete can cause crack(s) in basement wall,cracks in driveway or wall to bow in
and/or cause a crack,wall to bow in your neighbors house.
Just to save the contractor 20' or so of wheeling the dumb concrete?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lusicornelius/756226682/

Here`s a newer company in Ohio,apparently started in 2004,nice to see
someone in OH do exterior work but............
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpZvg...eature=related

We`ll assume there are cracks on exterior wall/leak(s) was correctly
identified....but,
don`t see any visqueen over mastic/tar
don`t see,hear anyone say they used hydraulic cement in/over crack(s)
and on/under those basement window sills etc
Some of us like to SHOW the homeowner the crack(s),other openings when we get it dug out,and take pics, wish they`d have.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plsXe...e=channel_page
Also assume they`re doing 1 wall,hope they get the corner
Not trying to knock da chtt outta `em but, we/I don`t really want to hand dig either but it`s best for all concerned. Eliminates the possibility of equipment/operator hitting any service lines,even if they know where any line is,bad things happen sometimes,unintentionally,we all have bad days.

Using equipment on waterproofing jobs,even just a trencher, you`ll most likely ruin x-amount of the grass and better be careful w/neighbors grass,house.

There is/was plenty of ROOM to hand dig here and not ruin grass,sidewalk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9qNw8oPQ_M
Hi Mr Smithberger.

Now ya bring this truck and its limestone content...WEIGHT, over sidewalk,grass and near house/basement walls increasing the lateral-
pressure against wall(s).Yeah sometimes when doing this there will be
no problems but all it takes is ONE screw up,one wall to bow in,
re-crack etc.Don`t let that insurance lap ok?

Say again, don`t see any visqueen and its best to backfill evenly,especially when using equipment.
When some homeowners see this, trucks on property/near house they don`t like it and may opt for an inside system if they have leaky basement because they`re worried about damage to their own house,lawn etc.

Plus this is what gives those Inside system Cokkroaches reason to,supports ONE of the things they tell homeowners....that exterior waterproofing screws up their lawn/landscaping/concrete.

Phil, know you want to get jobs done faster and EASIER by using equipment,stone-slinger etc and prolly don`t have to pay the laborers as much but whats best for the basement wall is not subjecting it to MORE lateral pressure.....plus ruining some of the lawn,cracking sidewalk or driveway etc and always the possibility of hitting underground lines.

Phil says :50 mark,you won`t see many local companies using 'stone slinger'.
Well, thats because of the reasons,possible problems/damage just mentioned.sheesh.
.... says :55 mark, as little damage as possible? Then...hand dig bro.


Hand digging and backfilling is best for everything concerned, got milk?

Holy smokes, believe it or not, innocently came across this,didnt go to mass today....got milk??? Think she farts?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRk7s...c-HM-fresh+div

Georgie Bush screw ups
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sP26...eature=related

[john bubber]

Tried e-mailing yet another so-called expert on THIS subject
http://www.stratfordbeaconherald.com...aspx?e=1425778
These kinds of answers to peoples question wind up hurting them,not
helping them. Are you an expert on this-subject Mr Henri?
http://henridemarne.com/

Says, a simple 'remedy' for you is to drill holes in hollow blocks to let the water drain out. Hey Henri, since you,your people don`t respond to my
e-mails LOADED w/facts, how do YOU think drilling holes on inside blocks
is a REMEDY? Water is getting.......INSIDE the blocks,either through exterior cracks,loose-cracked parging etc on outside wall and/or water is
getting IN the blocks through exterior openings ABOVE the stupid wall.

Says, if serious water problem....the MOST EFFECTIVE is an Inside system,blllllllllchtt mister.

http://www2.snapfish.com/slideshow/A...6/t_=122238283
Hey Henri, if that homeonwer has something like this on the outside then,
how do YOU propose drilling holes on inside is a remedy? And when someone is getting alot of water in, how do you figure the MOST effective choice is an inside system w/fiberglass against the wall w/sump pump?
This CHTT doesn`t stop/prevent FURTHER WATER from where its FIRST
entering!!! Doesn`t remove the root, the cause of the
stupid cracks either! Doesn`t remove,lessen expanding/contracting SOIL pressure either that CAUSE many dang problems,cracks etc.

Won`t bother to post hundreds of other pic`s that WERE homeowners problems.

You`ve BYPASSED......tellling the homeowner they should FIRST........
IDENTIFY,LOCATE how/where water is first-entering.

If the water is first entering through ABOVE ground openings/gaps then,
THIS is their problem,this is what they need to fix! NOT some inside system or drilling holes in blocks, chtt. If anything that can CAUSE MORE
radon gas to enter the basement,sure it can.

If the water is backing up because a blockage in the lateral line then,
THIS is their problem! They don`t need to get HI-JACKED by those LOSER inside system companies some recommend. You don`t want to talk w/my azz FINE, but you are WRONG mister, and anyone else who says the same kinda crap is also wrong and MISLEADING many homeowners.

Here is another who THINKS they have the right answers/solutions to leaky basements
http://www.weinspectforyou.com/03-07%20newsletter.pdf
I`m trying to tell SOME of ya`s who think this kind of crap is the actual solution(s) or right way to go about identifying a homeowners problem,yer leaving yourselves wide open to get SUED or at least LOSE your inspection fee.

http://homes.winnipegfreepress.com/i...=article&id=24
ARI here, seems to GET IT.......he is an HI but doesn`t talk the chttt like other two.Henri.....you may be an expert on OTHER subjects but not this one,nope.Thus, you shouldn`t be driving some homeowners over a cliff w/supposed remedies to leaky basements. What has Ari seen,learned that some others have not. Is it that Ari may have had prior hands on
experience in waterproofing, is it because he has seen the false claims,lies,fraud from some inside system co`s or maybe he has taken the TIME to open up his brain and let some light shine in on this subject,unlike many other HI`s who i still see/read/hear from homeowners that RECOMMEND inside systems. Buy you a KEG O` beer Ari!

[john bubber]

Exterior cracks,loose-cracked parging,openings/gaps where service lines enter through basement walls etc http://photosmart.hpphoto.com/FilmSt...711e507&SKU=HP

303.05 Foundation Walls
http://www.unomaha.edu/neighborhoods...foundation.php
All foundation walls shall be maintained plumb and FREE from OPEN cracks and breaks and shall be kept in such condition so as to prevent the entry of rodents and other pests.

...minor problems left uncorrected can become major....
Water entering the foundation THROUGH cracks,holes or breaks can freeze and expand,causing damage to the foundation.
ALL conditions that permir entry of rodents or other pests must be corrected.

Hmm well, inside systems do not prevent water,insects,rodents entering through exterior cracks and other openings,nope. They also do not remove expanding-contracting soil,roots etc off the exterior wall(s). http://www2.snapfish.com/slideshow/A...6/t_=122238283

This pic is about 2-3' away from that root,around the corner.Broken deteriorated block....and some want to recommend inside systems to unknowing homeowners? http://www2.snapfish.com/slideshow/A...6/t_=122238283

http://www.healthyhomestraining.org/...g_12-13-06.pdf
1460.18 Exterior Structure

http://www.rochesterhills.org/refere...inance_523.pdf
84-23.
84-24.
84-25.

-Foundation Cracks Provide Hidden Entry Points for Termites
http://www.utoronto.ca/forest/termite/tips8.htm

[john bubber]

'Basement Systems Water Guard review'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wM88O2Xhj4g

Another leaky basement misdiagnosed or some don`t give 2 craps where the water FIRST ENTERS, instead opting to sell the ONLY thing they do.

If you don`t identify/find where the water is first entering and fix,repair,
waterproof it then your not going to stop/prevent mold,efflorescence etc.

This homeowner has one or more exterior cracks and/or loose-cracked exterior parging or other gaps on outside wall(s) and may also have some
openings/gaps above the wall,above grade such as gaps in,under,around
basement windows,doors,open mortar joints etc.
http://photosmart.hpphoto.com/FilmSt...711e507&SKU=HP

That crack at corner is not visible on the inside,does not appear.
But it sure as chtt is where water was first entering into the hollow blocks and caused some mold and efflorescence on inside wall at corner.

See why many inside companies want to install a vinyl/fiberglass etc
sheeting against part or all of inside wall(s)? Uh huh, it`s to HIDE-
conceal water,dampness,mold,efflorescence or a crack(s) that can
occur or an existing crack that can widen or wall bowing in.

They don`t want YOU to see any of this,don`t want the homeowner
to know or the next-homeowner or a Home inspector etc.

Says the cost was $4,000, may be a smaller size home or maybe company
doesn`t have much work and low-balled the estimate etc.
Most inside knotheads usually charge between $7,000-$17,000
...depends on what they think they can get away with,size of job...sure,
and also what kind of neighborhood,richie-rich or not.

This HO paid over $14,000, still leaks
http://www.moneypit.com/ask-tom-lesl...rproofers.html

Paid $8,500 in 2001 here
http://www.theindychannel.com/statio...62/detail.html

The efflorescence on part of this homeowners wall,why is it most likely
there
http://www.aggregateresearch.com/for...ID=82&MID=2360
'.....best way to prevent this is to prevent water from infiltrating the
blocks.....whenever WE see this problem there is usually a leak somewhere
that allows WATER to ENTER the block wall'....

Got milk err got mold?
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/Story?id=131638&page=3
...'more importantly, you need to ELIMINATE the cause'

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/Story?id=131638&page=7
...'remember, just cleaning up the mold is not enough. You MUST find the
source and eliminate it'

Ummm, they don`t tell ya its fine & dandy to continue to allow water to enter and divert it around inside perimter to a sump.

What likes to hang out and breed in wet,damp,moist areas?
No, its not Aunt Lucy.

One more lil tidbit......how about RADON gas,how/where can this
shtt enter your house/basement?
http://www.epa.gov/radon/pubs/physic.html#Character
Several openings/avenues, right?
Well, one of them is 'D'......FLOOR-WALL joints.
Inside systems drill holes in lower courses of blocks and leave them OPEN.
Inside systems on poured walls will most often leave a GAP......OPEN,
at,along the FLOOR-WALL joints.Yup yup, they surely do.

Hey inside system dorks,listen,the phone is ringing,pick it up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qY2a6OBrBAc