something else to chew on

[john bubber]

http://www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/art...NEWS/612030416


.......Consumers need to be careful they don`t get soaked for thousands of dollars.

......New Jersey`s Consumer Affairs Office said it has received.....complaints against 3 of the top companies doing work in the state.........got milk??

......i`ve heard home imp. radio shows hosts repeatedly state they get they basement waterproofing/foundation info from......the 3-4 top waterproofing companies! yeah, propaganda at its finest!

propaganda = almost any attempt to sway public opinion including commercial advertising can be broadly construed as....yep, propaganda!

to get on many of these home imp. radio shows they need to advertise on the show and then they get their lil 'special weekend expert guest spot'

one radio show host just contacted me and wanted $1,500 per MONTH to advetise on their new website, here locally. In addition to small advertisement on website i`d get to be on radio and pumped pre-agreed questions etc.....$1,500 per month X 12 months......uh....yeah, way too much for my azz.

ya think the top 3-4 companies can afford that? lolol, thats chump change to them so, who gets to continue their 1 sided bs story to the public? dang right!

who is NOT going ask direct-honest questions of these? yeah of course, the hosts, these companies keep their shows on the air! Money! Its NOT about getting the listeners of the shows/the homeowners all the facts-the truth, its all about M O N E Y !

i`ve also heard repeatedly from many radio show hosts that homeowners should ONLY hire Bsmt Waterproofing Co`s who are members of the nawsrc org.....lolol, hey.....at least 2 companies mentioned in article are members of this supposed great ORG, the same ORG who professes each member is held to such high ethics and standards......BLLLCHTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.nawsrc.org/refer.php see for yourself

lastly, redundantly, in article it says most problems can be addressed by extending gutters etc etc etc etc...according to EXPERTS.

i`d like to know, who the heck are these so-called Experts? Where are they? lolol, how many waterproofing jobs have they done and guaranteed over long period of time, huh? If you find them, ask them if a few of us could speak with them, i mean, if they can spare a lil time from their Expert schedule got milk?

[john bubber]

...all right you Chipmunks! Ready to sing your song?

http://links2love.com/christmas-songs-chipmunk-song.htm

- I say we are!
- Yeah!
-Lets sing it now!
Okay Simon?
-Okay!
Okay Theodore?
-Okay!
Okay Alvin? Alvin? ALVIN!
-Okay!

Christams, Christmas time is near, time for toys and time for cheer
We`ve been good but we can`t last, hurry Christmas hurry fast!
Want a plane that loops the loop, Me i want a hula hoop
We can hardly stand the wait, Please Christmas don`t be late.

[Robert J. OConnor]

Foundation waterproofing contractors tend to get a bad rep in general. They are not all that bad, but unfortunately many recommend unnecessarily expensive repair solutions where in my experience about 9 times out of 10 just simple corrections to roof and/or surface drainage is needed.

As just one example (of many I have evaluated) my own dad got an estimate of I think around $15,000 or so to do a complete excavation, wall waterproofing, and drain system.

I took a drive out west and looked at the situation. No gutters on half the house, leaders discharging directly adjacent to the foundations, grade sloping towards the foundations on one side, and unsealed cracks in the foundation walls.

He installed gutters where missing with good leader extensions, added fill to get good pitch away from the house, and sealed the cracks on the inside with flexible sealant (not as effective as an exterior crack repair, and it becomes more of a maintenance issue ... but much less expensive).

Total cost just a few hundred dollars, and no significant problems since (I think over 10 years now).

Go figure some companies (and the industry in general sometimes) gets a bad reputation ...

[john bubber]

Robert,

Yes, at times a few...a handful may get 'lucky' and be able to 'divert' enough water away.

Here`s what i KNOW after 28 years .....i`ve also met/talked to a few who were able to divert enough water away but MOST who`ve TRIED all-kinds of water diverting techniques have NOT been lucky, they had crack(s) in bsmt wall and leaked, some leaked a bit less but mold continued to grow on bsmt wall, some leaked more due to crack(s) WIDENING and some had had a wall(s) that had slight bow...lessened the leak by raising the grade but the basement wall bowed in more...soil pressure-roots.

To use your Dad`s situation or a handful of others and apply that to ALL basement walls/cracks is wishful thinking.

When hired to waterproof a wall or part of wall, we`ve repeatedly seen for nearly 3 decades MANY instances where the homeowner did raise the grade & slope, they did extend gutters 3 miles away from house ...they mudjacked 1+ slabs.

Robert, we`ve waterproofed several home`s of builders who dug down about 2-3' poured concrete in shallow trench, then put some visqueen down over the concrete, placed the dirt back and raised `n sloped it away....still leaked.

And we`ve waterproofed wall(s) where homeowner installed a 2-3' french drain w/drain tile along wall(s) and out to street or backyard, backfilled trench w/peastone....still leaked.

How about a few that dug down a couple feet, laid and sloped shingles and visqueen down along basement wall and also raised `n sloped grade...still leaked.

Quite a few were told getting a new driveway would be sufficient to divert water away from a crack(s) on drive-side bsmt wall...still leaked.

Now, they are out whatever money and time spent on supposed-fixes and still leak, i`m not bs`ing. How about those who spent 5-10K on new drive? Or about 1K to mudjack several slabs...etc

Over & over, year after year and now...decade after decade....and people are STILL going to explain to me that raising grade etc etc is what should be done or, should be recommended to homeowners and will most often work? Nonsense....sorry, its just not true, believe what ya like

When home is being sold, and an HI is going to recommend these 'supposed' remedies instead of fixing the problem(s)......waterproofing the crack(s), tuckpointing, basement window replacement etc etc....then imo they should 'at least' give the inspection fee back when the crack leaks after they move in....after they raised the goofy grade etc. Be thankful they don`t get sued....sorry but truth hurts sometimes

IMO, the HI should have recommended to them to get several estimates to fix/waterproof the crack....then they could have taken that cost off the price to buy the home. J/K....there is a crack in the bsmt wall, hello? I`ve been in court to help these new owners who just bought house w/crack in bsmt wall and nothing was mentioned, no disclosure from seller, no mention of it on inspection-report OR....the HI said all they needed was to raise grade and so on....bllcchtt, bllcht blllchttt

And...maybe your Dad/some others have a poured wall, what about hollow-block walls? You cannot patch an Outside crack in hollow block wall from inside. Water/moisture is still going to ENTER into the....hollow blocks, so too can RADON. Patching a block basement wall from inside does NOT stop radon gas from entering cracks/pores etc from the outside, doesn`t stop termites and other insects from entering the cores/cells through crack(s) on outside.

Did your Dad really need an estiamte on all 4 walls? Most do NOT. Many co`s want to try and talk people into much more than necessary, i`ll give ya that, no doubt. Not my azz...and not a handful of others here in SE Mich.

When a homeowner has a leak/1 crack in 1 wall, say a corner, then thats all they need to fix/waterproof. Chtt....when you go to get a tune-up do you let the mechanic talk ya into a new transmission and new set of tires? hlll no!

I believe 'some'(not many) of us are more than qualified to TRY and inform folks what they really need, geez, all these years doing Exterior work-only-where-necessary and NO problems, no BBB customer complaints, thats the Proof.

Anyone want to call a lady in Roseville MI where a city inspector recommended that she get a new driveway to....fix 1 leaky vertical crack in a poured wall? lolol.... fix the dang crack, sheesh. Cost to waterproof was $775

Call the guy who spent hundreds on digging/putting shingles along bsmt wall and raising the grade...call him.

How about thousands who bought an existing house and were never told of crack, a leak or HI said the crack is nothing to worry about, just 'MONITOR' it....moved in and within a week, month (on first decent rain) got water in. Wanna speak to some of these folks?

That just happened again on estimate i ran over weekend......guy from CBS radio bought house and HI told him 2 vertical cracks and a step crack,NOT finished bsmt-can see cracks soon as ya come down steps which are about 30' away...same wall....HI said cracks were minor and to 'raise the grade' which he assumes will keep the water out and monitor the cracks. Well,within 9 months the vertical cracks have widened, the wall-basement where cracks are leak more, there is mold on 2 areas of bsmt wall and some efflorescence...already has a sump pump. Who PAYS to fix/waterproof cracks/wall? Will the HI? chtt...

Is it still the grade? Maybe the downspout extension should go further out, lolol. Maybe homeowner should paint the bsmt wall w/Drylok...more bs.

Mr OConnor.....bet your a smart-good man....i can`t help what i know, have seen in THIS business.

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Yes there are a million stories and here is one more .
They had dampness behind the furnace and Raised the dirt extended the down spouts still dampness. Dug down and redamproofed that section of the wall. still dampness.
Next completly opened the back wall did the whole wall two levels of weepers and gravel sloped plastic away from the home new fill and sod.
Yep still dampnes having spent many mnay thousands of dollars with various experts .
They called in a Professional Home inspector .
20 minutes of looking around the outside and the inside , our great home inspectors suggested they replace the condensate tube furnace.
Now there is no dampness.


Cookie

[john bubber]

Oh...ok Roy.....all of you folks who have leaky, damp basements......call Roy`s Home Inspection.

Since some chicks with large knockers work at Hooters.....where do 1 legged women work?


....IHOP

[Robert J. OConnor]

Originally Posted by john bubber

i`ve also met/talked to a few who were able to divert enough water away but MOST who`ve TRIED all-kinds of water diverting techniques have NOT been lucky, they had crack(s) in bsmt wall and leaked ...

Cracks have to be sealed/repaired (and I am not talking about the pretty much useless paint on coatings that cant bridge cracks). Common mistake not to do that. Filling with a flexible sealant can work (less expensive, but also less desirable/permanent), but my preference is urethane or epoxy injection depending on if I think the cracks are active or not. If you cant ID the type of cracking you will probably get the proposed repair wrong.

Originally Posted by john bubber

To use your Dad`s situation or a handful of others and apply that to ALL basement walls/cracks is wishful thinking.

Never said "ALL" ... but in almost 30 years in construction, evaluations, and design of similar situations definitely MOST (about 9 out of 10 in my experience) dont need overly expensive exterior excavation and repair (and definitely not "french drains" unless there is no other option) ... you are just asking for mold buildup.

Originally Posted by john bubber

Now, they are out whatever money and time spent on supposed-fixes and still leak, i`m not bs`ing. How about those who spent 5-10K on new drive? Or about 1K to mudjack several slabs...etc

Agreed that many of the proposed solutions like driveway replacements alone just don't work. I generally don't recommend them either. They need to have an independent opinion on the correct course of action in my opinion. JMO as an engineer also, called in to figure out why a repair didn't work.

Originally Posted by john bubber

Over & over, year after year and now...decade after decade....and people are STILL going to explain to me that raising grade etc etc is what should be done or, should be recommended to homeowners and will most often work? Nonsense....sorry, its just not true, believe what ya like

Just expressing my own opinions from experience over almost 30 years dealing with similar situations. Even in cases where my gut feeling is that a more expensive exterior repair/waterproofing is required, I still recommend that the simple things be done first (most of them should be done anyway regardless), and that they budget for the more expensive exterior repairs/waterproofing.

JMO & 2-nickels ...

[john bubber]

just wondering

do most home inspectors know that block basement walls can show NO visible crack on the inside of basement and yet, have hairline to 2"++ crack(s) on the Outside of wall(s)?

is this on any of the tests you folks take?

did you know that this is the most common means where water FIRST enters a hollow block wall, stays inside the cores-inside the hollow block wall and comes out onto basement floor, most often where the bottom of wall and floor meet?

G Carlin product idea...
maybe the Japanese would be interested in this one....a combination cassette player and colostomy bag....call it..... shttman

The Miss America Pageant....how about having the losers keep coming back until they win? ... can ya imagine a 82 year old contestant answering final question, after the Talent portion... "I just wanna work on world peace". Ok lady, fine, now sit down before ya fall down. And pick up all these g damn batons!

[Robert J. OConnor]

Very possible, particularly with an outward bow of a wall (although that is very unusual).

HI's generally look for signs of water penetration in general ... particularly with block basement foundation walls. The are two types of block foundations walls ... those that are leaking, and those that will leak ...
.

[john bubber]

Yes indeed.....block basement walls often have whats called a.. 'corner crack' on the outside and the Inside of basement wall will show nothing, no crack. Same goes for 'other cracks' including horizontal cracks that are at the top-of-the-first row of blocks off the footing, some vertical cracks that are barely visible if at all on inside of basement can certainly be wider on the outside.

And, sometimes these cracks are patched-tuckpointed and maybe even painted over pretty darn good on the inside, some do this to conceal the crack when selling a house.

--South Carolina Residential Construction Standards........ seems to me the state has it wrong!

http://www.hbaofsc.com/SC%20ResConstStandards.pdf


pg 49 2.Common Defect or Problem -Performance Standard... "Wet walls are usually a result of sunken areas around the foundation....but even if there are no depressions, this is still NOT a builders responsibility....the subsequent proper grading and landscaping should eliminate damp or wet basements"

Huh???

The state says/assumes.....problem has to do with sunken/settling soil etc. Its no wonder these myths continue.

Did they consider the reason the basement wall is wet,leaking,damp could certainly be due to a crack in the wall, or another lousy damproofing job, another crap job-half azz`d attempt patching rod holes? Or other pathways-openings, through the basement wall or Above the basement wall? Huh? I don`t see anything mentioned as to these possibilities, not on pg 48,49,50.....page 64..will come back to that later

Have they considered there would be much less settling if basement walls were backfilled with most/all gravel,peastone? Settling soil causes COMPACTION and creates a springlike-lateral-force which can certainly cause crack(s) in basement walls,leaks,dampness,mold etc. Sure! Settling soil causes 'future' pressure....it compacts,continuing to settle and if backfill is part/most clay it`ll cause even more pressure.

-Compaction
http://www.bobvila.com/HowTo_Library...ion-A2095.html

"After compaction, soil is under compression like a spring and....continues to PUSH against the foundation as it tries to expand...."

Are they saying it`s not possible a crack occurred during compaction? It`s not possible a crack occurred from using heavy equipment near-next to basement wall? Are they assuming damproofing of the walls is going to prevent water/moisture from entering a crack that occurs during--after backfilling?

Back to B Vila link.... see what OTHERS say...
--The Effect of Water.. " The water pressure against a basement wall when the SOIL is Thoroughly soaked is called 'hydrostatic pressure'. It can force moisture through PORES in the basement wall and even CRACK or buckle the wall itself. Here again, proper drainage is the remedy"

Well, proper DRAINAGE along and against the Entire DEPTH of basement walls equals....gravel,peastone.....against the darn walls!

NOT backfilling with soil that will expand `n contract, NOT backfilling with soil that impedes drainage along the basement wall, not backfilling with other garbage like bricks, blocks,pieces of concrete,wood,cans and other chtt.

Vila -Compaction... "the problem is that the pressure from the compacting process gets transmitted through-the-soil to the WALL. Basement walls have been known to crack..."

--Careful on the Construction Site... heavy equipment being operated near-next to a basement wall can damage/crack the wall. Hello?

See what these guys say about backfilling, what to use...
http://www.yodergroup.com/concrete.asp 6th,7th para...and oh by the way, they have NO BBB customer complaints either, unlike others. Yeah, quite a few of those 'others' have a) quite a few BBB complaints in just the last 36 months b) only want to install inside-drain tile or baseboard system and do not agree at all with exterior waterproofing and, in fact, make many false claims about exterior waterproofing. go figure...

http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/dpwes/p...rineclay.htm#2

..scroll down to Basement Walls -Cause.. "Damage to foundation walls OFTEN occurs when marine clay (chtt any clay) are placed as Backfill against basement walls....which is now expressly PROHIBITED....it was a common procedure in houses built before 1975, and may STILL occure today where the builder is uninformed or careless" got that RIGHT

"Damage from the pressure of swelling clays in backfill occurs after yearly cycles of shrinking and swelling before the detrimental effects are revealed......surface water can also accumulate against basement walls where the backfill has settled, increasing the soil moisture and swelling pressure of the soil. The result is an accelerated failure of the basement wall"

Maybe this is where some get messed up, apparently like S Car.

Even if one can divert some/most 'surface water' away from bsmt walls, it does NOT eliminate 'below ground' pressure against walls. There will still be water further down in the darn soil against bsmt walls..and just because some soil has settled doesn`t mean raising-the-grade etc is all that needs to be done, doesn`t mean it will usually eliminate wet/damp basements....chtt.

One can`t keep all water/moisture away from entire depth of bsmt walls, bcht, and even if one could that wouldn`t be a good idea. Porches,additions, wall can experience problems when the soil around their home dries out,contracts...lack of rain. Porches/additions can begin to drop/settle because the soil-support the footings HAD underneath....has dried out,contracted,settled. Water can travel-percolate through soil SIDEWAYS as well as down.But if you wanna raise the grade 4' high against your house go right ahead, yer house!

--State Performance Standard... "While some dampness is normal, walls should not be wet..."

Hmm ...if the Standard was Waterproofing the basement walls and backfilling w/peastone and, everything Above grade was built/sealed correctly then there should be NO dampness but, they keep pushing their assumption that most problems with wet,leaky,damp basement walls is due to grading,low spots...nonsense-bs.

Try and look at it this way ... lets say some Backfilling was done and some/alot/whatever lol settling occured...one should be able to run a hose at full blast against the basement wall 24/7 and have NO water enter, thats IF the Walls were WATERPROOFED and there are no cracks, other openings in wall..think about it...

Same goes for ABOVE ground, if one recreates a heavy-long rain with a hose...and runs water against the basement windows,bricks etc(NOT those cheap-porous bricks) ...if there are NO openings around the bsmt windows,bricks,doors etc then...no water will enter. Water/rain will enter when there ARE openings on the outside or, if ya have those cheap-porous bricks.

Yep, if a sprinkler is allowed to soak the chtt outta them bricks/mortar joints or, you have a house with NO gutters and water is allowed to come off that roof and soak 'unprotected' bricks `n joints then you`ll most likely have a problem.

Another thing about bricks and mortar joints..... some mortar joints will appear,look like they are sealed-full but truth is, some of those jojnts are very thin...doesn`t take much rain to penetrate `em.

And still other times, you`ll see a few bricks real close...tight to each other, very little room to get much mortar between them when house was built and you still won`t be able to get much in there. May have to use-force caulk or something else between them to keep water/moisture/insects OUT.

--State Masonry and Concrete Standards....pg 64 Common Defect or Problem... Cracked Basement Walls...Builder responsibility

"builder to repair any cracks in mortar joints or poured walls exceeding 1/8" AVERAGE width.........broken blocks should be removed from INSIDE.......exterior repairs will not be made except in case of major structural damage"

...well, what the????

Is this whats best for the homeowner? is it whats best for the basement wall, leak, potential mold etc? OR....is it whats best for the, ahem....builder, huh?

Let`s see,
1) builder to repair cracks EXCEEDING 1/8" average? i`m not talking about those itty bitty shrinkage cracks that barely penetrate the wall, they don`t go THROUGH the wall, of course they won`t leak,allow insects or radon in. But...an average of 1/8" ? Hm, what about a crack that starts out as a hairline crack at top of bsmt wall and widens to about 1/4" near bottom of wall...builder is not responsible? They saying it won`t leak? Unreal chtt...

2) repair on INSIDE? Remove broken block(s) on Inside? Umm, ya can`t pull the block(s) out from Inside and not have cracks/openings on the outside of the hollow-block...its going to leak, the outside of this supposed repaied block isn`t sealed/waterproofed! grrr

3) are they saying that when there is a crack on the Outside of a hollow-block basement wall that the builder/anyone can fix/waterproof that crack on the Inside? lolol impossible!

4) do they understand that a block basement wall can have NO visble crack on Inside of basement or...have a lil hairline crack on Inside of block basement wall and on the OUTSIDE....a crack can be 1-3" ?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/classi...wconstruct-hed

"To permanently stop and water vapor from entering your foundation walls, you need to waterproof them......don`t confuse waterproofing with damp-proofing"

"It is also better to waterproof from the Outside rather than try to stop water once it has entered your basement space...." ...can someone please explain this to S Car `n others

Thats because, ya can`t stop/prevent water that is entering through basement walls with a drain tile or baseboard inside system & sump, bs, no you can`t. And anyone who says differently is several sandwiches short of a picnic, the cheese fell off their cracker a long time ago.

[john bubber]

There are those who think basements leak-seep due to broken,clogged 'outside' drain tiles more nonsense....j krist

Where do they get this? Was it on some test they took? I`d sure enjoy talking with whoever made up the test. Maybe they`ve heard this stuff so many times they begin to believe it. Maybe they worked for some construction company and this is what the boss said/believed. Well, its just more crap, another myth.

Let me ask the them, just how do they figure drain tiles that are laid horizontally next to footing has anything to do with water percolating through soil next to vertical basement walls, sideways and down.....and entering a basement wall through a crack or other opening in wall or entering above a basement wall? Huh?

Outside tiles have nothing to do with water/moisture entering a basement wall,NOTHING! Whether its through loose/cracked parging of a block wall, through a crack in any wall, through openings where a service line enters a wall, through rod holes etc.

Water is entering cuz....there are OPENINGS! lolol...not because part/all of any drain tile 6' deep is blocked by some debris,soil,roots. Come on!

Can outside drain tiles take 'some' water that gets down/near footing away from the house, away from the FOOTING? Well sure it can, but thats not why water is coming through a basement wall, its not why many will see water entering onto basement floor at-near cold joint.....bllchtt. Thats not why the inside of basement wall may have some mold,efflorescence,paint peeling. Geeezz O peez

Some Inside Co`s will tell YOU anything to get into that bank account of yours! Some will tell ya the T-tile, aka bleeder is broke/cracked and that it needs to be replaced. Well, the T-tile can ONLY be 'replaced' correctly on the darn Outside! lolol, these bozo inside salespeople are truly lacking knowledge. The T tile fits into a hole at/near top of footing below bottom of basement wall and its impossible to pull it out/replace it with an inside system, unless, they tear through-break out a good chunk of your footing from inside, just what you were hoping for! weaken the support of your wall.

Just looked at house , HO has brick house on slab, has the grade raised and pitched away from house, has peastone and drain tile underground, along slab....gets water in on longer/heavier rains. Know why? Because there are 2 courses of bricks that are...below ground( yet above the slab) and NOT sealed. So, even with the very good drainage he has w/peastone its still not quite enough to stop/prevent water from entering THROUGH the 'unprotected' bricks and mortar joints on heavy rains.

Find and seal/waterproof all openings,the basement walls, bricks,windows etc below and above ground! Then, if it`ll make ya feel better, go ahead and raise the grade, extend those downspout extensions out into the street....2 miles away from your house, mudjack each drive slab 1' ft high if ya have nothing better to do with your money! got milk?

George Carlin...The Fear of GERMS! do not read this if you are one of those who spend alot of time in church... scroll down a lil to, Fear of germs http://downwithsnark.blogspot.com/20...ns-advice.html

P Floyd.. "the rain fell slow..........down along the roofs, of uncertainty

Genesis.. "down at the office had to fill out the forms, a pink one,
a red one, the colors you choose, up to the counter to see
what they think, they said " it doesn`t count man, it ain`t
written in ink"....i don`t trust anybody, least not around here,
cos its no fun being an illegal alien...no no no no no!

[john bubber]

Sometime during my life, toilet paper became bathroom tissue....sneakers became running shoes, false teeth became dental appliances, medicine became medication, information became directory assistance, the dump became the landfill, partly cloudy became party sunny, motels became motor lodges, house trailers became mobile homes, room service became guest-room dining, constipation became occasional irregularity ...yeah.

When i was a lil kid, if I got sick they wanted me to go to the hospital and see a doctor....now, they want me to go to a health maintenance organization or a wellness center to consult a healthcare delivery professional.

Poor people used to live in slums.....now the economically disadvantaged occupy substandard housing in inner cities. And they`re broke! They`re fk`g broke! They don`t have a negative cash-flow position, they`re BROKE! `Cos alot of them were fired. You know, fired. Management wanted to curtail redundancies in the human resources area, so many people are no longer viable members of the workforce.

Smug, greedy, well-fed white people have invented a language to conceal their sins. The CIA doesn`t kill anybody anymore, they neutralize people...or they depopulate the area. The government doesn`t lie, they engage in disinformation. The pentagon actually measures nuclear radiation in something they call 'sunshine units'. Israeli murderers are called commandos. Arab commandos are called terorrists. Contra killers are called freedom fighters. Well, if crime fighters fight crime and fire fighters fight fire, what do freedom fighters fight? They never mention that part to us, do they?

And...some of this stuff is just silly, like on airlines they say they want to 'pre-board'......well what the hlll is pre-board......to get on before you get on? They say they`re going to pre-board those passengers in need of special assistance. Cripples! Simple honest direct language! There is no shame attached to the word cripple that i can find in any dictionary.

In fact, its a word used in bible translations, Jesus healed the cripples. Doesn`t take 7 words to describe that condition. But we don`t have any cripples in this country anymore, we have The Physically Challenged. Is that evasive enough for you? How about the....differently abled? You can`t even call them handicapped anymore! They`ll say, "We`re not handicapped...we`re handicapable!"

These poor people have been bllchtted by the system into believing that if you change the name of the condition, somehow you`ll change the condition!

We have no more deaf people in this country....the hearing impaired.

No one`s blind anymore...partially sighted or visually impaired.

We have no more stupid people, now everyone has a learning disorder or they are 'minimally exceptional'.....How would you like to be told that about your child? "He`s minimally exceptional"...."Oh thank God for that"

Psychologists have started calling ugly people..... those with severe appearance deficit. It`s getting so bad that any day now i expect to hear a rape victim referred to as an....unwilling sperm recipient.

We have no more old people in this country anymore, we shipped them all away and brought in senor citizens. Most of us have accepted that one, thats here to stay. But the one i keep resisting is when they look at an old guy and say... "Look at him Dan! He`s ninety years young" To not be able to use the word 'old' to describe somebody, to have to use an antonym.

The fear of aging is natural, its universal isn`t it? No one wants to get old, no one wants to die but we do! So we blllchtt ourselves, i started bllching myself when i got to my forties. I`d look in the mirror and say... "Well, i guess i`m getting....older". Sounds better than getting old, sounds like it might even last a bit longer. BLLCHTT, i`m getting OLD and it`s OK, because thanks to our fear of death in this country, i won`t have to die.....i`ll pass away. Or i`ll expire like a magazine subscription.

If it happens in the hospital, they`ll call it a....terminal episode

The insurance company will refer to it as... negative patient care outcome

And if it`s the result of malpractice, they`ll say it was a therapeutic misadventure.

Some of this language makes you want to vomit, well....maybe not vomit. Makes me want to engage in an... involuntary personal protein spill.

There`s a condition in combat, when a fighting persons nervous system has been stressed to it`s absolute peak and max, can`t take anymore...in the first world war that condition was called... shell shock. Simple,honest, direct language....2 syllables, shell shock.That was a long time ago.

Then a whole generation went by and the 2nd world war came along and the very same combat condition was called... battle fatigue, 4 syllables now. Takes a lil longer to say, doesn`t seem to hurt as much. fatigue is a nicer word than shock.

Then we had the war in Korea, 1950...the same combat condition was called... 'operational exhaustion'. Up to 8 syllables now! The humanity has been squeezed completely out of the phrase, Operational exhaustion......sounds like something that might happen to your car.

Then came Vietnam and thanks to the lies and deceits surrounding that war, its no surprise that the very same condition was called... post-traumatic stress disorder. Still 8 syllables but we`ve added a hyphen! And the pain is completely buried under jargon.

http://www.rense.com/general69/obj.htm ....there is no God



....the great G Carlin

[jwortham1]

Someone has forgotten to take their medication.

[Michael Larson]

Funny as George Carlin may be but a theologian he is not.

Mery Christmas john bubber.

[john bubber]

Merry Christmas Mr Mike