something else to chew on

[john bubber]

Dale

Lets see, what have we found this morning?

How about this guy, and some others, who have several different waterproofing company names ......yeah

Now why ya think anyone would be in need of different names,huh?
Not for sales/promotional purposes

http://www.chicago.bbb.org/commonrep...500&language=1


BBB advises consumers that the owner of this company is the owner/direct affiliate of several other companies. They include Waterproofing Solutions, Landscaping co`s, Superb Waterproofing Inc, Specialty Bsmt Waterpf`g

accumulating a few customer complaints under one name are ya?
http://www.chicago.bbb.org/commonrep...273&language=1

no longer in business?
http://www.chicago.bbb.org/commonrep...l?bid=11001125

http://www.chicago.bbb.org/commonrep...l?bid=27006117


and ummm, what happened to Water Guard bsmt Waterproofing?
Unsatisafctory record shows a pattern of no-response to customer complaints, out of business. So, as is often asked, what happens to those wonderful-lifetime-guarantees,huh? Sounds good eh, "we offer a Lifetime Guarantee".... hey, i have an everday guarantee for THEM, i flush it down the toilet

http://www.chicago.bbb.org/commonrep...981&language=1


Its shtt/trash/lies/false claims-promises that allow the Dream Police to live inside my head...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhWC3dHSI3I

[john bubber]

Sometimes a crack(s) can be observed above ground, sometimes not. Sometimes you`ll see a hairline crack above ground and may think not much if any water can get through it and, you may also assume the hairline crack you see above ground may not continue below ground or, if it does it will be a hairline crack, it won`t widen.

Think again scroll down to 10th pic....

http://www.downriverwaterproofing.com/DRW/photos.htm

Often-not always, these vertical cracks in block walls are not visble on the inside of basement, i don`t mean because basement is finished. See, many companies who install inside systems don`t 'get it', they think/assume when water is entering onto basement floor at cold joint/cove, they tell you its because of hydrostatic pressure under floor/high water table.

Well, in MOST cases what they tell you is blllchtt. The water entering onto basement floor along cove is originating-entering through the crack on Outside of hollow block. THAT`S the...problem.

It first enters through these outside openings, stays inside the cores/cells of block where it eventually accumulates in bottom coure(s) and THEN...enters onto basement floor.

Can you see how raising the grade,extending downspout extensions,mudjacking a slab etc does not SOLVE the problem, doesn`t waterproof the crack. One might lessen the amount of water that will enter but ya can`t keep/divert all water/moisture out of-away from the entire-depth of crack.

Moisture alone entering through crack or loose parging can certainly cause mold, efflorescence,paint peeling on inside of wall.

Can ya see how easy termites and other insects can enter into hollow block, huh?

Raising the grade/longer extensions etc won`t keep the critters outta the house.

How about possibility of radon entering through cracks? No floor pipe remediation will help stop radon from entering cracks like these.

Then there are some salespeople of these Inside systems, including some butt-head owners who continue to lie and say shtt like.."Exterior waterproofing doesn`t work, was already done when house was built etc". Anyone saying crap like this is a complete FOOL, thats right, a dipstick, hasn`t a clue.

Look at pic`s of basement wall, see any asphalt/tar/visqueen? See any gravel/peastone builder used to backfill? Noooooooooooo! Of course not. Walls were parged! Parging is NOT Waterproofing, hello?

See any big disruption of landscaping? lolol, well, on this house there isn`t much to screw up but, when bushes are right up against wall then, out they come if you want problem/crack/leak solved correctly. Most often bushes can be saved and put back in same day.

If this was a drive-side or patio then we`d saw-cut 18-24" apron...thats INCHES, off/along house where work was needed. Ya don`t lose an entire dang slab like some will tell ya.

Can you see how having an INSIDE System done will NOT stop/prevent water from entering, huh? Won`t stop shtt! Won`t stop insects,radon,mold,efflorescence and will not lessen/relieve soil pressure or roots that cause many walls to crack, cracks to WIDEN,leaks, bowed walls

Many homeowners just have a corner, or 1 wall or maybe 2-3 cracks in different walls....its all they need to fix/waterproof. They do NOT need a full perimter system (inside or out)

Posted that HUD link couple days ago that yaks about an Interior System that actually states... 'prevents basement leakage caused by infiltration of ground water'....bs. Only way one is going to prevent ground water from entering/infiltrating a crack like this is to Waterproof it, not install an Inside system. These systems can only divert water that will continue to enter under the bsmt floor to a sump/floor drain/whatever.

I`m personally waiting for the day one of these knothead inside guys start diverting water into a toilet, can hardly wait for that

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CRaqPjog80 Felix the Cat Cartoon

[Jay Buzz]

The downriver site is great. Thanks for passing it along.

Also looked at the BBB for kicks...no complaints since they started reporting on them in 2005.

[john bubber]

Buzz,

yep, Joe (Downriver) does good work. Joe also has some pretty good information about Inside companies/systems, directly from some who worked for Inside companies..i hope one day he`ll inform others about

a partial list of of others around SE Mich... Capizzo Construction, R L Stremersch, Clark Waterproofing. Anyone who has a problem around here are much better off with these contractors than those who advertise false claims and make disparaging remakrs of an exterior method/contractors.

been informed at least 2 Inside companies around Detroit most often are not even going in basements on estimates and who are BS`g consumers and telling them they don`t need to go in basement and say all basements need their Inside system, regardless of what problem is.

This is a steaming-pile of red.white and blue, all-american blllchtt! They tell many folks they need a full/entire inside perimeter system...NONSENSE!!!!!

What i am going to TRY and do this year is.... take lots of pics of all types of walls, cracks, bowed walls etc, pics of the inside of a wall and of course, what the outside looks like.... `n post em. Where HO has already raised grade, extended downspouts, mudjacked a slab or 2, installed shallow french drain etc. See if we run into a few who poured concrete against bsmt wall, just below grade. Kinda wish i`d taken some in PA when we did job last yr on a cliff, stone wall . Tired of these pathetic loser Inside salespeople getting away with shtt.

[john bubber]

here`s what 'BBB' says are Basic causes of Basement Water Leakage

zero in on #3

THEY....say...'it is impossible to get a perfect seal between the footer and the wall, water is able to enter the basement at this junction(cove)

Huh? Yeah right! shtt, hey.... your not thinking this through baby!!!

Its VERY possible to SEAL aka Waterproof the outside I-joint, sure it is. Been doing it for nearly 3 decades damiiittttttttttt

http://www.waterproofyourhome.com/im...BB_Article.jpg click bottom right to enlarge

Its just the builder/sub contractor/whoever doesn`t seal it! Just like they almost always NEVER 'waterproof' the exterior of basement walls, they used to parge `em, thats not waterproofing and these days they`ll most likely ONLY damproof the exterior of walls. Thats NOT waterproofing either lolol

Seal the isolation joint/cove on outside with hydraulic cement, then apply THICK asphalt and visqueen and backfill with most/all gravel, that`ll seal the dang cove..come on! DO IT RIGHT, quit screwing around buncha cheap O`s and quit with the MYTHS please.

My chair is getting kinda stinky, wanna know why? lol, prolly not but i`m gonna tell ya anyway.....cuz every time i read crap like this i begin to fart w/great intensity. Will NACHI buy me a new chair?

[john bubber]

Selling/buying a house huh? Had one or more leaky areas in basement? A lil mold/mildew/efflorescence on one or more areas of basement wall, huh?

And if basement is finished one won`t see possible bowed wall, cracks in wall, mold/efflorescence etc.

Hey, knock knock... you are NOT going to solve a leaky basement, a bowed wall, crack widening etc by raising the dumb grade, ok? NOT gonna happen! You can`t waterproof a crack in block wall by mudjacking a slab ok. You won`t stop moisture/water from entering, these things are NOT permanent remedies, hello?

Neither is pouring 4-6" of concrete just below ground level, just run into 3 more of these knothead-goofball-supposed-remedies, stop it!!!!

Or, if you rather go right ahead, keep playing around, wasting your time/money and then praying these things will last long enough so you don`t get SUED!!!

Over and over, year after year, decade and after DECADE, see this SHTT...homeowner tried raising the grade but ALSO poured concrete against wall underground and/or, placed shingles-tarps etc underground, under their raised grade.....hey, it AIN`T working ok! lolol Believe the dumb azz crap if you like, but if YOU sell a house with a problem/leak and do-recommend this CRAP and....new owner gets in and has problems, i will most happily help them SUE. Thats right dammmmitttt.

Tired of the NEW GUY getting stuffed in rear! They should NOT have to pay for EXISTING cracks/leaks etc that seller left them, tried to cover up, tried to get out with CHEAP/BS fixes.

Quit seeking recommendations from NON-experts....hey, they don`t KNOW!!! How would someone with little or no hands-on knowledge in basement waterproofing be able to give YOU the correct recommendations? lolol, they can`t, it simple.

Soooo dang tired of people/buyer getting into house and finding problems/leaks/mold/bowed wall/widening crack.

And for you dumb azz Inside Co`s who rather/ONLY install/sell/push these inside systems on people, hey you should be SUED too! Yeah, about 90% of the time ya dumbazzez

Most of you nimrods do NOT diagnose the problem/leak, just sell sell sell the inside system that they love so much, thats makes ya TONS of MONEY but doesn`t stop/prevent water from entering, very easy to install. The way many of these inside co`s go about selling an Inside system is a fkg CRIME in my book.

Buncha wimpy inside knotheads....too wimpy to fix 90% of problems correctly, on outside. Too wimpy to hand dig, too hard for em. Want everything nice and easy. Who has 10-25-50+++ customer complaints within the LAST 36 months, HUH? Many INSIDE Companies, thats who. So, WHY would ANYONE believe anything they say....WHY??????

Again, MOST do NOT Define/diagnose where/how/why water is FIRST-ENTERING! So....why ya think all these complaints? HELLO?

They wanna **** YOU/ the Homeowner and get as MUCH MONEY outta ya as they can....AND< do it the easiest/WIMPIEST way possible with an Inside water-DIVERTING system

[john bubber]

Termites cause BILLIONS of dollars of damage every year, right?


The various Points-of-ENTRY for termites to get INTO a house are?

Outside or Inside? Huh?

READ.. 'hidden entry points for termites/points of entry' go ahead

http://www.utoronto.ca/forest/termite/tips8.htm

Now, water can also FIRST-ENTER through these openings, could cause mold/efflorescence.

Let me ask the world .... just how does anyone expect any INSIDE drain tile or baseboard system to stop/prevent water/insects from entering OUTSIDE penetrations/pathways, huh?

Gotta go O U T S I D E to accomplish this! DUHHHHHHHHHHHHH

This is not that difficult to understand yet quite a few seem to struggle mightily! Maybe, i dunno, stop consuming soo much alcohol `n drugs. Its messing up your brain!

[john bubber]

scroll down to... --A Little Crack Can Mean Big Problems

http://www.plickandassociates.com/newsletters/Mar06.pdf


"Basement walls are subject to lateral pressure from the WEIGHT of SOIL piled against the exterior. Moisture in the soil INCREASES the weight acting upon the wall. If the SOIL becomes SATURATED, the weight of water creates hydrostatic pressure, which also acts upon the wall.

Failures occur when the forces caused by the weight of soil and/or water exceed the ability of a wall to resist the force. Basement wall failures often occur following extended periods of rain, or sudden downpours, when the air spaces between the soil particles becomes filled with water. The strength of a wall is determined by its construction. Improper construction, coupled with saturation-of-the-soil, is the MOST COMMON CAUSE of Basement Wall Failures."


One lil thing to touch upon, when someone recommends adding soil around the house/against a wall, they are INCREASING the lateral-WEIGHT against a basement wall, oh yes they are. Not talking about 10 bags of top soil but adding yards of soil can indeed create more weight/pressure against the outside of a basement wall, especially when that-soil gets wet/saturated. Careful with that AXE Eugene! P Floyd


http://www.cityoffortwayne.org/index...276&Itemid=370


scroll down to.. --SEWER BACK UP

"Although more common in communities that have a combined sanitary and storm sewer system, sewer back-up can occur where there are separate systems. It can be CAUSED by.....

1) the sewer lines on your property are broken, CLOGGED with roots or debris, or directly connected to your roof or footing drains, when HEAVY rains occur, the lines cannot carry the additional water, so it backs up into your basement. If this is the cause of your flooded basement, you can FIX the PROBLEM relatively easy....contact a plumber or contractor" See DIAGRAM on left

snake the dang lines FIRST...the storm trap-cleanout and/or with a sump, snake through the line that goes towards BACK of house/under floor. A good/honest plumber is OFTEN all many people need. Not ALL plumbers get-this!

Ever hear of a company who ONLY/rather install INSIDE SYSTEMS tell you this, recommend THIS....huh? HLLL NO!

When some talk about hydrostatic pressure UNDER a basement floor, THAT excess of WATER may INDEED be there due to a broken/clogged LINE! Does NOT at ALL automatically mean one needs an Inside drain tile system. Many of these goofy Inside salepeople/owners do NOT have a clue, are NOT anything close to an expert. They WILL BS people because they want YOUR MONEY! dammmmmmittttttttttttt


http://www.askthebuilder.com/B10_For..._Footers.shtml


2nd para.. "Many soils absorb vast quantities of water and this added water, combined with the soil, PUSHES against your foundation wall. This force is commonly referred to as hydrostatic pressure"

And STOP planting those TREES sooooooo close to your house! If ya like `em so much maybe go hang out with YOGI at Jellystone National Park.
http://www.toontracker.com/huck/yogi.htm

[john bubber]

Scam scam scam! INCOMPETENT-LYING sob`s!

http://journals.aol.com/tomsmoneypit...rproofers/1495


It`s many of these same companies, yeah the one`s who only/most always want to install Interior Systems as in story above who, profess to be experts,have wonderful lifetime guarantees `n care sooo much about homeowners....BLLLCHHHTTTT!

Many of these companies continue to advertise FALSE CLAIMS
on exterior waterproofing AND, on what these inside systems do/COST.

Go double check the COST in story above...$14,000+ Then read this nonsense below....

http://www.marylandwaterproofing.com/faq.html

Q) Is it necessary to excavate the outside....expensive?

You talk about a good blllchtt story? HOLY SHTT!!!

Yeah yeah, many state they have lifetime guarantees yet have accumulated 10-20-50++ BBB and Dept.of Consumer Affair CUSTOMER COMPLAINTS.....just in the LAST 36 MONTHS!

If they are so good, so knowledgable, and have such great lifetime guarantess then.....WHY sooooo many continued complaints and problems?

Thousands and thousands of homeowners
getting SCREWED out of THOUSANDS of dollars!

WAKE UP PEOPLE, will ya PLEASE! Just WAKE UP!

[john bubber]

G.Carlin....next time someone on the street comes up to you and asks 'What time is it?'....tell them....'Well, it`s either 6:15 or MICKEY has a hard on"

So, some think, actually believe, that by raising the grade and/or installing longer downspouts extensions can solve a leaky basement....ummm, better
re-think that ok

Many companies who only-mostly install Inside drain tile `n baseboard systems will try and tell you/bs you into believing that the reason a homeowner gets water on the basement floor where the bottom of bsmt wall and floor meet, is due to a high water table and/or water comes through the footing or under the footing and several other NOT likely-possibilities.

The following pictures is where water/moisture FIRST enters and is MOST
homeowners problems. Block wall...cracks on OUTSIDE of hollow block wall, THIS-is where water first enters, through cracks & other openings and once the water enters it most often stays inside the cores of the blocks as it falls into and through the lower courses where it eventually winds up inside the last course, yep, the first course up-off the bsmt floor...its called gravity


http://photosmart.hpphoto.com/FilmSt...711e507&SKU=HP#


NOT all cracks that are OUTSIDE appear-are visible from the inside of basement. So...just because you do not see any crack(s) does NOT mean there aren`t any on the OUTSIDE.....got that? Anyone who says differently has nary a clue, cheese fell off their cracker a looong time ago.

This HO works for CBS radio, nice folks....they did have a home inspection done and, ahem, inspector told them not to worry about 2 cracks that were visible (hairline on INSIDE) and simply raise the grade....WRONG answer Mister!

Wall was painted before house was sold, anyone with a tad of common sense could tell/see the 2 cracks were patched on inside and painted over and, they also painted over quite a bit of efflorescence, clearly an existing problem. Seller did not disclose/HI says 'don`t worry about `em'.

Upon first good rain after moving in they get water on the floor, several more rains mold and efflorescence is on wall.

Would someone like to step up to the plate and tell the world just exactly how raising the grade/extending downspouts/mudjacking etc etc....is going to stop/prevent further water from entering these cracks, huh? It WON`T!!

And some want to sell a house that has existing-wide open crack(s) huh, somehow thinking they can divert all water/rain away from Entire DEPTH of basement wall--cracks....good luck and most likely...see ya in court.

Pic 1) Vertical crack in block wall (corner crack). If ya look close enough you`ll see openings around the basement window....just as important!

pic 2) Vertical crack further down the wall, around the middle of wall. Openings under window sill too...ALL openings must be sealed....correctly.
This crack was semi-damproofed before, say it like that because the ROOKIE that did it did not use hydraulic cement in crack, did not use a thick asphalt, did not use any visqueen and backfilled with the same soil-NO peastone. All a big mistake!

You might be able to see the upper outline of the thin-asphalt that was applied, it didn`t have a chance to harden-set...the same soil used to backfill settled...pulling down the thin asphalt therefore the top 12-18" of crack is still...wide open.

...Ok ok, Pic 3,4) back to corner crack...can YOU SEE roots growing into the crack, huh? lolol....hey, roots can widen a crack, hello? Can you see how any Inside System will NOT stop/prevent further-future water from entering these cracks they leave open....J Krist! They don`t waterproofed outside, don`t seal entire length-depth of cracks/wall, so...how can any inside system take roots off the wall, take roots out of these cracks. huh? They CAN`T! And what about a wall bowing in due to expanding/contracting soil pressure or roots pushing against a wall, huh? What about termites,centipedes,spiders,ants etc entering these cracks....once inside the wall they are IN your house, hello? Don`t think they are somehow locked up inside the hollow blocks, no no! And what about radon gas entering through these cracks, NO pipe in the floor remediation stops radon from entering these cracks, Bllchtt!

If you don`t stop/prevent water...moisture from entering your increasing the chances for mold and efflorescence growing on basement wall, darn right. many have a finished basement, they don`t know of there is a crack, crack widening, wall bowing in, some mold/efflorescence growing.

pic 5,6) a diagonal crack that runs/feeds off of the vertical crack and runs around the corner, down towards footing

better use hydraulic cement in-cracks

9) THICK asphalt and visqueen over Entire area of wall. The visqueen PROTECTS what was just applied to the wall when Backfilling, thats pretty much its main-sole purpose. The asphalt will set like a rock but still better off using hydr. cement IN cracks and any other direct opening on outside.

10) Backfill with all/most peastone-gravel

11) what side of house looks like AFTER waterproofing is done

This homeowner, like many, had several estimates and most recommended an Inside system, lolol. And most of those tried to BS homeowner into a full inside perimeter systems, all four walls and another sump pump...they have a sump pump several feet from this wall. Those estimates were between $6,000 and $20,000!! Scammers! All that was needed, at this-point-in-time was to waterproof the problem/leaky area...outside.

Cost of this job was $1,625, done in one day...20 year transferable guarantee on...all waterproofed footage! Its all they needed! And, its only area that was waterproofed, can`t guarantee anything where we haven`t worked, duh.

Now, someone wants all walls done then fine, we`ll dig from here to China for ya! Thing is, most HO only have 1 or 2 parts of 1 or 2 walls where there are crack(s)...its all they need done. NOT going to talk someone into any more work-footage than necessary.

INSIDE Systems do NOT stop/prevent water-moisture from entering outside cracks and other penetrations in wall, block walls can deteriorate, cracks can widen, bowing could occur, insects can easily enter, so too can radon gas. Inside Systems do NOT solve ANY of these possibilities... MOST homeowners problems are outside!!! Got milK?



Emerson, Lake and Palmer..."Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends, we`re so glad you could attend come inside come inside........
come inside the show`s about to start, guaranteed to blow your head apart"

[rcooke]

Sorry I got into the wrong area this is Johns area 61 to 70 and more

[john bubber]

You can`t stand the REAL-expert`s posting huh?

[john bubber]

so, as some think....where is the ruined lanscaping?

where is the big cost for exterior waterproofing?

i get real tired of the lies,misinformation. Some need to keep their pie hole shut when they don`t know what their talking about.

Idiots! http://www.marylandwaterproofing.com/faq.html

read.....Is it necessary to excavate the outside...? can you say SCAM?

[Dale Duffy]

Originally Posted by john bubber

so, as some think....where is the ruined lanscaping?

where is the big cost for exterior waterproofing?

i get real tired of the lies,misinformation. Some need to keep their pie hole shut when they don`t know what their talking about.

Idiots! http://www.marylandwaterproofing.com/faq.html

read.....Is it necessary to excavate the outside...? can you say SCAM?

Mark

You sure take your waterproofing seriously, I have to hand you that........

[john bubber]

Hello Mr. Duffy...

Ya noticed huh?

Well, to try and describe a lil of what we`ve witnessed over decades....
...How about homeowners that have bought a house and come to find out the previous owner put up new-cheap paneling to hide-conceal a bowed wall(s) or vertical, step and horizontal cracks. Or a wall where the bottom course pf blocks has deteriorated-kinda caved in.

Or homeowners who were talked into an inside system that in most cases kept water off most of the floor but found out what they really needed was to relieve/lessen the soil pressure/roots off a wall that continued to bow in. Yep, they are out the many thousands for the inside system that in no way lessened outside pressure--wall kept moving in or cracks kept widening and/or found out a lil down the road that because they didn`t hire someone to stop the water from entering...now they have mold growing on wall(s)-part of wall and will need to finally solve problems correctly on Exterior.

Or, how about the many thousands of homeowners who...ONLY had one area of one wall, like a corner that was leaking (crack on outside) and were talked into a full-inside-perimeter system for NO reason other than the company lied to `em....this happens ALL-the time....every day.

Then, to listen/read from others who say buncha dumb SHTT like, "Oh, exterior waterproofing is not necessary"..."Its vert costly and disruptive to landscaping"...etc etc......bunch of LIES! Yup yup! Cheating,scamming self proclaimed experts (Pffffftt!) who only have one thing on their mind, how can they BS the next homeowner out of thousands.

Yes sir, i do indeed take things seriously, yup.
Any chance i get to stuff the truth down these butt-heads throats in a courtroom and expose their LIES/scams, i`ll gladly do it for free. Already have.

It just isn`t right for these losers to lie and take advantage of people, bs`ing them into lots of shtt they do NOT need. I finally had enough about 3 or so years ago and started posting online,e-mailing Build`g depts, city council members,mayors(lolol) congressmen, the media etc. And if anyones wondering if any of these people called/emailed me back....lololol... the answer is......very few.

There is one guy in the media who cares....his name is Adam Helfman, does a home improvement radio show on weekends here in metro det on 1270 am and has been on Extreme Makover show, he does try `n help people... unlike many other home imp radio hosts who think they know it all and back/recommend the big inside Co`s all the time, every chance they get. Can you say M O N E Y? Money buys lots in this world...look what it did for OJ, MJ the clown and so on. Although, it didn`t seem to help Paris baby much, huh?

A couple of homeowners in a row where i ran estimates who bought homes and found out the seller didnt disclose problems, HI missed shtt, and i don`t mean a leaky corner, they had walls bowing in and the like...serious problems. having the homeonwers break down and WEEP as they find out the truth sticks with ya. So i said...ENOUGH, g damn ittt! As for that waterproofing Co`s link....i call it as i see it and i KNOW it to be true, without any doubt.

As for my personal life well, thats a different story ...no angel here....got milk?