Support post for Beam, is this right?

[Larry D. Kage]

Around here sealed drawings aren't needed, normally, if the residence is under 3500 sq. ft.

[Brian E. Kelly]

Originally Posted by lkage

Around here sealed drawings aren't needed, normally, if the residence is under 3500 sq. ft.

Larry so you can just pour a slab of your own design and start adding lally columns willy nilly as you please and then slap a roof on it? You do not have to use and Engineered design???????? RU Sure about that?

[Larry D. Kage]

Originally Posted by bkelly2

Larry so you can just pour a slab of your own design and start adding lally columns willy nilly as you please and then slap a roof on it? You do not have to use and Engineered design???????? RU Sure about that?

One is required to submit plans, but not engineered plans, to the AHJ for review in order to obtain permits. I've been doing it for 35 years.

[Brian E. Kelly]

Originally Posted by lkage

One is required to submit plans, but not engineered plans, to the AHJ for review in order to obtain permits. I've been doing it for 35 years.

So now there are reviewed plans are there. Ok check the reviewed plans

[Larry D. Kage]

Whether they're engineered plans or reviewed plans I've never seen them show how to install a lally column, only where it is located. Marcel is right in that the builder has to use his knowledge for proper installation.

[Brian E. Kelly]

Okey Dokey

[Larry D. Kage]

From Okey Dokey:

"Although the International Residential Code (IRC) does not require metal columns to have been studied by an evaluation firm, as a practical matter, an engineer or an architect has to prove that the work will result in a system that is capable of transferring all loads from their point of origin through the load-resisting elements to the foundation."

I'm not saying they don't have to perform the intended function, just that we don't need an engineer's seal on certain plans. And even if a lally column is specified, normally, it will not show how to install it.

To be honest with you, I would have walked right past that (pictured) lally column and never given it another thought, even without bolts in the beam. Nails, given the right nailing schedule, would be adequate.

[rwand1]

Inspect the top plate for dishing and for adequate beam support. The CCMC requires that the plate be sized to the full width of the supported beam or that a 50 mm x 200 mm (a 2x wood cap which extends across the full width of the beam be installed with the grain at 90° to the beam direction.

[Marcel R. Cyr]

Isn't that what gives you a job in the first place???

Marcel

[Marcel R. Cyr]

In some cases there are no lally columns.
The supporting members could be as simple as a 2"x4" wall, and what are the chances of having a depression slab. zilch. How would you know and how would you have any indication of this??

There are a lot of variables out there in these inspections. and I will still stress the way around it is to assume the worst and write alot like a wise young man advised me off.

It has always amazed me to this day, as to why so many in this world worry about electrical problems that might be detrimental and deadly to people, have to be licensed, and plumbers have to be licensed to make sure that the sh#t flows down hill, but no one seems to care about the carpenter to have a license. I guess they do not worry about the house to fall down. Food for thought.

Marcel

[rrichards2]

Originally Posted by mcyr

It has always amazed me to this day, as to why so many in this world worry about electrical problems that might be detrimental and deadly to people, have to be licensed, and plumbers have to be licensed to make sure that the sh#t flows down hill, but no one seems to care about the carpenter to have a license. I guess they do not worry about the house to fall down. Food for thought.

Marcel

As a certified/licensed general carpenter myself, I couldn't agree with you more Marcel. I guess they figure that the building inspector will catch all the mistakes.

[Marcel R. Cyr]

[quote=bkelly2]Is that true Marcel, you can just build any old thing without a drawing or an engineers/architects stamp ????????????????? Neato

I guess I'll be guaranteed lots a work then.[/quote]

The last job I just built, was $2,000,000 + Visitors center for a Botanical Gardens. All wood frame and very little structural steel. The Drawings by an Architect of Washington, D.C. designed it.
What it was was a picture of what he wanted and eave elevations. That was it. The Project was not designed in Detail. I finished the job. I did the redesigning to make it look like his picture.
The Structural Engineer walked through to inspect his six steel columns with a collar beam up at 24' and a ridge beam at 30'. No problem. Gave him an education as to how to make practical field installed connections at 30'. What he had designed had no practical installation value or safety insight to the condition. He agreed.
The Architect charged 50 percent more than local Architects, was chewed down on his price, and still did 50 percent less in design criteria that local Architects would have done.

When I was done, it looked like his picture and would not talk to me. I went through 62 RFI's and literally designed 50 detailed sketches for my framing contractor. This was ridiculous. The job complete, the Owner congratulated me, gave me a memento, and publicized in the local paper for a job well done. My Company that I work for, went the extra mile. We do have to work in this State and don't plan to move and we need the work, so why would anyone chose to work in any other way?

To answer your question, yes, I can build without Architects stamp. The regular house is controlled by the IRC and covers the Engineered Truss system and foundation/floor framing. What's left?

And no my jobs will not give you or any other HI as myself more work. Not on my job. Sorry. But I know of plenty in this area that will.

Marcel
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[Brian E. Kelly]

Originally Posted by bkelly2

Is that true Marcel, you can just build any old thing without a drawing or an engineers/architects stamp ????????????????? Neato

I guess I'll be guaranteed lots a work then.

Well, you did have drawings.

[Marcel R. Cyr]

Brian;

I had an Architectureal Diploma in Architectural Drafting in 1973, and the drawing I had to build this Building were not even close to what any normal person should of had. Believe me. ;;;

Marcel

[Larry D. Kage]

Originally Posted by mcyr

What he had designed had no practical installation value or safety insight to the condition.

That sure is what I found many times over the years. The best plans drawn usually come from someone with real field experience.