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These ceiling joists were twisting badly.
What would be the proper repair? Metal connectors to the top plate? Blocking?
Joe Funderburk, CMI Alpha & Omega Home Inspections, LLC Inspecting Upstate SC & Charlotte Metro, NC NACHI ID: NACHI05120170 www.aohomeinspection.com |
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If some bracing was attached perpendicular to and on top of the ceiling joists and tight to the bottom of the rafter, that could help the ceiling joist from tipping over some. ____________________________________________ "An Education, not just an Inspection" Larry Kage Lake Ann (Traverse City), Michigan 49650 231 929 3525 Professional Inspector and Infrared Thermographer serving the Traverse City, Michigan area and beyond. ITC/FLIR CERTIFIED BUILDING SCIENCES THERMOGRAPHER ITC/FLIR CERTIFIED LEVEL 1 THERMOGRAPHER
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I agree with Larry, and personally, I think the workmanship in your pictures is crap. It would throw up red flags for me, and I'd be searching for the root cause of the problem. My 'spidey sense' tells me theres a bigger problem in the works. I'd be willing to bet that someone screwed up, and is not shown in the plans that way, and that is how they compensated for it. I would opt for installing blocking, as opposed to metal connectors.
"You cannot depend on your eyes when your imagination is out of focus"...Mark Twain Jeffrey R. Jonas Critical Eye Property Inspections JRJ Consultants Owatonna, Minnesota NACHI07013103 IAC2-01-1567 |
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Joe Funderburk, CMI Alpha & Omega Home Inspections, LLC Inspecting Upstate SC & Charlotte Metro, NC NACHI ID: NACHI05120170 www.aohomeinspection.com |
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Bobby Hamilton Bloodhound Home Investigations Youngstown Home Inspection Austintown Ohio Home Inspection Youngstown Home Inspector Providing home inspections, state licensed termite inspections and radon testing in Youngstown, Boardman, Canfield, Poland, Howland, Warren and surrounding Northeast Ohio areas.
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Jeez... reminds me of your photo's in post #1. No wonder he sold/is selling. Seems you may be getting closer to the 'root' cause. "You cannot depend on your eyes when your imagination is out of focus"...Mark Twain Jeffrey R. Jonas Critical Eye Property Inspections JRJ Consultants Owatonna, Minnesota NACHI07013103 IAC2-01-1567 |
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No decking. I walked out a little on the structure and was real uneasy about it.
Joe Funderburk, CMI Alpha & Omega Home Inspections, LLC Inspecting Upstate SC & Charlotte Metro, NC NACHI ID: NACHI05120170 www.aohomeinspection.com |
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Hey Joe,
As other have said, crap workmanship.......as far as twisting, no need for metal ties or plates.......a simple, fast and inexpensive fix is to tie all the joist together with a 1x4x___ positioning same near the rafters. Also, you may want to check the nailing of same, its hard to tell but it looks like they simply nailed the butt end of the joist and that was it. Anyway, such repairs can be made in less than 10 minutes. |
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Normally I would agree with what Jeffrey stated (and Larry before him), but without more info, I'm not sure I would endorse that corrective action. Even at 400% zoom, I cannot tell the method of attachment. I can only assume the rafters were toenailed, but cannot see evidence of that. Do you have a wider angle photo of the attic? And before anyone says it, no, I am not trying to give definative advice based upon a photo. This type of conversation, trading thoughts, is what helps keep the mind sharp. It's all about education Glad you made it out of there without incident. Jeff "You cannot depend on your eyes when your imagination is out of focus"...Mark Twain Jeffrey R. Jonas Critical Eye Property Inspections JRJ Consultants Owatonna, Minnesota NACHI07013103 IAC2-01-1567 |
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Greg Liebig, Owner Sheboygan Wisconsin Home Inspector 4-Square Home Inspections, LLC Where Knowlege will put your Mind at Ease © Sheboygan, WI 53081 (920) 451-4646 www.4squarehi.com Follow Us on Facebook Follow Us on Linked-In |
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With a stick framed roof like that my concern would be with rafter spread. Were collar ties in place, ridge beam support by load bearing members to foundation?
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I couldn't get to the ends to check how they were fastened because there wasn't much to hold onto and I felt uneasy about walking on that shaky structure. I suppose they were toe nailed. Joe Funderburk, CMI Alpha & Omega Home Inspections, LLC Inspecting Upstate SC & Charlotte Metro, NC NACHI ID: NACHI05120170 www.aohomeinspection.com |
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Joe,
I think "Maxwell Smart said it best...missed it by that much!" The pictures of the laminate beam in the crawl space, what a joke. I can't believe that mistake was missed, and/or left uncorrected. Lots of folks had the chance to catch that mistake, and apparently didn't. With the roof rafters and the beam conditions you have questioned, it kind of makes you wonder what else might be hidden. |
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I don't think anyone was purposely hiding anything except their lack of knowlege in construction methods. I would not feel comfortable with this. Was this project issued a permit? Just curious...
Greg Liebig, Owner Sheboygan Wisconsin Home Inspector 4-Square Home Inspections, LLC Where Knowlege will put your Mind at Ease © Sheboygan, WI 53081 (920) 451-4646 www.4squarehi.com Follow Us on Facebook Follow Us on Linked-In |
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