Dan Harris... Your association wouldn't lie, would they?

[Brian E. Kelly]

AZ Standards

OK Dan this is the problem with the new checklist and the BTR. I have posted the relevant areas of the AZ SOP no where does it say in the SOP that i need to describe the filtering in the HVAC system.
No where in the SOP does it say I have to describe the supports and insulation for the plumbing.

No where does the SOP say I have to call out the material of the foundation.

The NEW checklist must be for a new SOP. I will contact the BTR tomorrow and voice my concern.

Having read plans and specs a couple of times before in my life, I had problems when I first sent in my reports to the State. They asked for the water piping size in my first report. Not Required, but I acquiesced. They wanted the SOP included, I included them and then they did not want them included they wanted them referenced.

SYSTEM: CENTRAL AIR CONDITIONING
10.1 The inspector shall observe:

A. central air conditioning including:

1. cooling and air handling equipment.
2. normal operating controls.

B. distribution systems including:

1. fans, pumps, ducts and piping, with supports, dampers, insulation, air filters, registers, fan-coil units.
2. the presence of an installed cooling source in each room.

10.2 The inspector shall:

A. describe:

1. energy sources.
2. cooling equipment type.

<H3 style="LINE-HEIGHT: 100%; mso-pagination: widow-orphan lines-together">7. SYSTEM: PLUMBING

7.1 The inspector shall observe:
A. interior water supply and distribution system including:

1. piping materials, including supports and insulation.
2. fixtures and faucets.
3. functional flow.
4. leaks.
5. cross connections.

B. interior drain, waste and vent system, including:

1. traps; drain, waste, and vent piping; piping supports and pipe insulation.
2. leaks.
3. functional drainage.

C. hot water systems including:

1. water heating equipment.
2. normal operating controls.
3. automatic safety controls.
4. chimneys, flues and vents.

D. fuel storage and distribution systems including:

1. interior fuel storage equipment, supply piping, venting and supports.
2. leaks.

E. sump pumps.
7.2 The inspector shall:
A. describe:

1. water supply and distribution piping materials.
2. drain, waste and vent piping materials.
3. water heating equipment.

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<H3 style="LINE-HEIGHT: 100%; mso-pagination: widow-orphan lines-together">4. SYSTEM: STRUCTURAL COMPONENTS

4.1 The inspector shall observe:
A. structural components including:

• foundation.
  floors.
  walls.
  columns.
  ceilings.
  • roofs.

4.2 The Inspector shall:
A. describe the type of:

• • <LI class=MsoNormal style="LINE-HEIGHT: 110%; mso-pagination: widow-orphan lines-together; mso-list: l25 level2 lfo10; tab-stops: list 1.0in">foundation.
    <LI class=MsoNormal style="LINE-HEIGHT: 110%; mso-pagination: widow-orphan lines-together; mso-list: l25 level2 lfo10; tab-stops: list 1.0in">floor structure.
    <LI class=MsoNormal style="LINE-HEIGHT: 110%; mso-pagination: widow-orphan lines-together; mso-list: l25 level2 lfo10; tab-stops: list 1.0in">wall structure.
    <LI class=MsoNormal style="LINE-HEIGHT: 110%; mso-pagination: widow-orphan lines-together; mso-list: l25 level2 lfo10; tab-stops: list 1.0in">columns.
    <LI class=MsoNormal style="LINE-HEIGHT: 110%; mso-pagination: widow-orphan lines-together; mso-list: l25 level2 lfo10; tab-stops: list 1.0in">ceiling structure.
  • roof structure

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[Dale Duffy]

Yes Brian....if we Described what is required in the standards of practice it would not take a half a sheet of paper.....

[Brian E. Kelly]

Originally Posted by dduffy

Yes Brian....if we Described what is required in the standards of practice it would not take a half a sheet of paper.....

The SOP Defines observe as

Observe:
The act of making a visual examination of a system or component and reporting on its condition.

Be careful Dale.

[Dale Duffy]

Heat Pump

Electricity

Condition: Looks Ok.......

[dharris]

Brian... I've heard the argument a few times so I'm not real sure of the answer, One answer I heard.
Looking at he definition of Observe in the glossary.
The act of making a visual examination of a system or component and reporting on it's condition, applies

[dharris]

opps Brian beat me to it.

[Brian E. Kelly]

Originally Posted by dharris

opps Brian beat me to it.

I just report on what I see Dan.

I copied observe out of the SOP. As that is the spec so to speak. This is what turned me off to ASHI to start with. In AZ ASHI, wrote the SOP and then educated the BTR on the SOP. Then once the SOP is in place legacy inspectors (ASHI) reviewing practice reports just make up the requirements to pass. And the BTR just goes along with it.

(As my reports exceed the SOP I really don't care that much)

Now I go back and reread the new checklist and it does not 100% correspond to the existing AZ SOP. What will tomorrows checklist hold?
How can the BTR just change an existing Law/statute without oversight? Heck it is almost like it was devised by NACHI

[dharris]

Heck it is almost like it was devised by NACHI[/quote]

You never know, A couple years ago, Nickey said he was going to change things in AZ