Illinois State Chapter News

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by rmyers1

Payment for my services ( similiar to those of the Educators) would be that amount of revenue remaining after immediate expenses.

Mr. Myers,

Am I reading your post correctly that the profit that your chapter makes goes into your personal account?

[David Nice]

Originally Posted by rmyers1

DNICE:



Mr. Nick Gromicko, Mr. John Bowman, Mr. Blaine Wiley, Mr. Paul Sabados, and Mr. Joe Farsetta, all the authorities of NACHI, at that time, agreed to the terms.

Those terms being, a free lifetime membership in NACHI, free membership in NACHI's CMI program, and total responsibility for all NACHI activities in the State of Illinois. Payment for my services ( similiar to those of the Educators) would be that amount of revenue remaining after immediate expenses.

An added, unexpected, responsibily is the advertising. As all Pay Pal monies are directed to my personal account, I am also therefore charged with providing an advertising allowances for all Illinois Chapters. This allowance of couse being limited to insure payment for my services.

Due to the way the State of Illinois is set up, yes, I am NACHI in the State of Illinois, commonly reffered to as the "Illinois Godfather"

This program has been quite successful in our State, and in Florida, consequently, NACHI is exploring the idea for use in other States.

The "Rewards Without Risk" program, which was recently announced, is but the first phase of instituting the program.

Hopes this helps.

All paypal monies go into your personal account?

All Illinois educational funds after expenses go to you?

You are "NACHI in the State of Illinois"?

It sounds entirely fitting that you would use the term "Godfather" cause it sounds about as unethical and crooked as it could be. (I was thinking more Stalin or Hitler would be a better fit). What a racket.

I swear you gotta be smoking, drinking or sniffing to think that all the "profit" of educational events are supposed to go into you pocket for services rendered.



You are out of your frickin mind. If an agreement such as this even exists it needs to be canceled, now! NACHI can find volunteers to do this just like everywhere else.

[James H. Bushart]

The good ol' boys' club takes care of their pals, David. Better email Bowman or Wiley for the real scoop.

I think he is telling the truth as to his legitimate claim to money....but...I think that a NACHI funded chapter violates NACHI's charter.

[David Nice]

P.S The State Administrators job in Illinois is that of a pencil pusher, paper passer and go between. It is amazing how you have transformed into some sort of self serving empire.

I sure hope that NACHI and Illinois NACHI members wise up and have a little revolution. I'm betting there would be a few volunteers that would be willing to take it on without absconding with all the money.

[David Nice]

Originally Posted by jbushart

The good ol' boys' club takes care of their pals, David. Better email Bowman or Wiley for the real scoop.

I think he is telling the truth as to his legitimate claim to money....but...I think that a NACHI funded chapter violates NACHI's charter.

I don't know about that but I read the Chicago Chapter Charter and such a deal like that sure looks like a violation of the Charter NACHI granted the Chicago chapter.

Do you think for one minute the members of the Chicago chapter are going to like hearing that the money they collect for every state approved course is supposed to go into Russ Meyers pocket?

[ldapkus]

Keep up the good work Russ we do appreciate your efforts. Some people are just jealous of your achievements.

[Greg Bell]

I would like to know where, how and who is doing this in Florida. I don't think that any of us down here would approve of such a set up.

[James H. Bushart]

The problem I see is that the 'profits' are going into Russ's account before NACHI's expenses (money paid to the trainer, his expenses, etc) are reimbursed.

It's not a scam if it is, indeed, a deal he worked out with Bowman...but it is sure a sweet deal that no one else is getting. What's your secret, Russ? Are you holding the real copy of Bowman's DD 214?

[David Nice]

Originally Posted by jbushart

The problem I see is that the 'profits' are going into Russ's account before NACHI's expenses (money paid to the trainer, his expenses, etc) are reimbursed.

It's not a scam if it is, indeed, a deal he worked out with Bowman...but it is sure a sweet deal that no one else is getting. What's your secret, Russ? Are you holding the real copy of Bowman's DD 214?

I know people sometimes pass money through their personal accounts but it is unwise to do so and can cause many problems with the IRS. If he is keeping the money and has some deal to do so, somebody better take another look at the monster they created.

When you got a guy that says he "Is NACHI in Illinois" and refers to himself as some sort of "Godfather" it's time to slam on the brakes to that runaway train.



I have been informed of the specific duties of a "education administrator" for NACHI in Illinois as it applies to dealing with the state and submitting courses. It is clearly a pencil pushing, paper passing, set of duties. It is to be of service, not to be served or to help oneself.

If I were in Illinois I would be happy to take it on for no charge! No profits! No money in my account! No delusions of grandeur! If it got a bit taxing I would enlist some volunteers to help with the work.

I think you could find a member in Illinois who would be willing to volunteer for the job.

[rmyers1]

And would you believe, the moon is made of Wisconsin Brand Blue Cheese, with a few Fresh Curds thrown in.

[David Nice]

Russ,

I suppose the next thing you are going to tell us is that you have usurped the authority of the State Agencies and YOU determine whether or not a course will be submitted or not.

Would you determine this on how much potential profits you can pocket for pencil pushing and paper passing?

Do you rewrite rejected courses with the authors permission or are you ripping them off too?

[Joe Farsetta]

You guys should knock this off. Bottom line is, and was, that all expenses that NACHI pays for need to be reimbursed prior to claiming profits. This includes printing, shipping, etc.

As to where the profits go, this is between the educator and chapter leaders. For the record, the author and presenter should actually "own" the course. It may or may not be owned by NACHI, and such arrangements are made between the author and HQ. In all cases, the chapter or event host are not technically or legally entitled to credit for the course.

In my case, I would give NACHI the perpetual right to use the course, provided I am the party teaching it. NACHI is, technically, the educator. The chapter may host the event, or not. Educators can put the course forth in Illinois, and have nothing to do directly with NACHI chapters. The state educational admin is not required to physically be at any approved educational event. The presenter simply needs to forward the necessary affadavits to the admin for forwarding to the state for credit and filing. This is the law.

As to a state admin, there is no requirement in the law for that person to reside in Illinois, be an inspector, hold a license, or do business in the state. Several educators perform their own admin, and are out of state companies.

I think Russ tries to do the best job he can. I am not aware of any special deals between him and NACHI, bt that's not to say that one doesnt exist. I simply do not know. Time to move on...

[David Nice]

Originally Posted by jfarsetta

I think Russ tries to do the best job he can. I am not aware of any special deals between him and NACHI, bt that's not to say that one doesnt exist. I simply do not know. Time to move on...

Joe,

Scroll back a ways and take note that you are one of the "authorities of NACHI" Russ claims agreed to his "terms" to be NACHI GOD of Illinois.

[David Nice]

Originally Posted by jfarsetta

As to where the profits go, this is between the educator and chapter leaders.

According to Russ, the profits go to him for services rendered. That's a real incentive to get a chapter to fill a room.

"Hey, let pack the room guys, Russ needs a vacation!"

[Joe Farsetta]

Russel made no deal that I am privy to.

I asked Nick, who also stated that he does not remember making a deal along these lines.

As I can only speak for myself, I can only state what I know, and I know that Russ made no deal that I was a part of, or was made aware of. Why he included my name, I cannot say for sure.

My last post was in response to David's previous, where he mentioned being Illinois' educational admin. I stated the rules as I know them.

The larger question is one of how things will be done moving forward. This statement pertains to not only Illinois, but everywhere.