Illinois State Chapter News

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by jfarsetta

The larger question is one of how things will be done moving forward. This statement pertains to not only Illinois, but everywhere.

"Everywhere", as it pertains to the neighboring state of Missouri, will continue to observe that the Chapter president is a volunteer (unpaid) position.

We acknowledge no rights to the property of those invited to our meetings to conduct training.

We charge fees with the intent to cover the expenses of the training and keep none of the money collected for that purpose (and disregard all criticisms to the contrary).

A chapter coordinates the provision of training for its members in the interests of the members. If there is profit to be obtained, it comes through the increased skill levels of the members of that chapter and their enhanced reputations within that community for having obtained the higher skill level.

We are in the business of profiting from performing home inspections...not profiting from coordinating training opportunities at the chapter level.

Just my thoughts...

[Joe Farsetta]

Jim,

Well said. Thank you.

[rmyers1]

As previously stated, If you believe any of this, then your gullible enough to believe the moon is really made of Wisconsin Brand Blue Cheese.

The real point of this exercise is to address responses which are constantly being placed on this board, attempting to discredit or otherwise disgrace NACHI or fellow NACHI Members, without having any real knowledge of the facts.

Why are so many Members so intent in believing things must be true, because that's what Johnny Jones told me? Twist things around to make an assumption of improprieties.

There are many, many members of this organization, who have no ulterior motives or hidden adjendes for attempting to help other members or the NACHI organization, other than feeling , maybe, somehow, their efforts have made a difference or that they may have been of some help to someone.

Everyone has a right to their own opinion, however, constantly expressing negative opinions on this message board is counter productive to the ideals of NACHI.

Remember also, just because someone said something, doesn't necessarily make it the truth.

Do or say something positive for a change.

Don't be so quick to judge another member.

In doing so, we may even see an increase in the number of users on this message board, rather than the less than 10% who currently choose to participate.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by rmyers1

Remember also, just because someone said something, doesn't necessarily make it the truth.

I can't speak for others, but I am forming my opinion from your post. As you say, just because you said it does not mean it is true, but I do want to believe you.

Do you keep the money that exceeds the "immediate" costs of your training seminars?

[rmyers1]

Originally Posted by jbushart

I can't speak for others, but I am forming my opinion from your post. As you say, just because you said it does not mean it is true, but I do want to believe you.

Do you keep the money that exceeds the "immediate" costs of your training seminars?

Absolutely not Jim

No Members in Illinois get paid for anything. Just a good bunch of guys and ladies working together to make NACHI happen within the State.

Each of the Chapters in Illinois have their own Treasurer's.

Mr. Dan Leleika is the Treasurer for the Chicagoland Chapter, and Mr. Kenneth Sitzes is the Treasurer for the Illinois State Chapter. Believe me when I say they are each very responsible and attentative of their respective positions.

We are fortunate to have persons such as Mr. Will Decker, who donates a lot of time and effort into the advancement of NACHI, Members and Officers of the Chapters who also put in a considerable amount of time and effort. Both Will and myself travel, at our own expense, across the State, promoting NACHI.

Sorry, but there is nothing going on in Illinois that other dedicated NACHI Members might not use as an example.

[rmyers1]

The point here was being addressed to those persons who are constantly attacking other members, when they don't know whats really going on, or choose not to accept the fact that even though there may be disputes or disagreements between members, that does not necessarily give another person a right to attack or make negative statements based soley upon their interpretation of the issues.

Accentuate the positive.

[David Nice]

Originally Posted by rmyers1

As previously stated, If you believe any of this, then your gullible enough to believe the moon is really made of Wisconsin Brand Blue Cheese.

The real point of this exercise is to address responses which are constantly being placed on this board, attempting to discredit or otherwise disgrace NACHI or fellow NACHI Members, without having any real knowledge of the facts.

Why are so many Members so intent in believing things must be true, because that's what Johnny Jones told me? Twist things around to make an assumption of improprieties.

The fatal flaw in what you NOW call an "exercise" is that most of the criticism directed in this thread was based on what YOU said was true of yourself and what YOU said was the deal you had made. Not what somebody else said or based on rumor.

As you may have noticed, your statements were challenged as something "you made up". Only in you silence did criticism continue.

It is interesting that, not until someone on your list (of people who agreed to your "terms") said they did not agree to any such "terms", did you come up with this new take on why you posted such BS.

There is a question often used in a courtroom that would be fitting:

"Were you lying then or are you lying now!"

Both stories are equally unbelievable. If you were hoping to establish some creditability, where you feel some may have been lost, you alleged "exercise" failed on that account.

At the end of the day, all we have of real value in life is our word. The only thing you may have proved as a result of your alleged "exercise" is that you word may very well be worthless.

So it is still only fair to ask what you have been smoking lately.

[David Nice]

Originally Posted by rmyers1

The point here was being addressed to those persons who are constantly attacking other members, when they don't know whats really going on, or choose not to accept the fact that even though there may be disputes or disagreements between members, that does not necessarily give another person a right to attack or make negative statements based soley upon their interpretation of the issues.

Accentuate the positive.

The is entirely your perpitration Russ. You were asked a couple of questions. Rather than answer them (and of course you are entitled not to), you came back with your own description of the way things work and the deal you claimed to be operating under.

The suggestion that you were attempting to address those persons "constantly attacking other members" is laughable at best.

You may have good reason to believe that certain people are aware of other issues. It would serve you to try to discredit them before they try to address them. I can think of (at least) a handful of people who know exactly what I am referring to.

Without all the facts, nobody has yet "attacked" you on those issues, yet certain unanswered questions still beg to be answered. I'm just not sure how anyone can now be expected to believe anything you say.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by rmyers1

Payment for my services ( similiar to those of the Educators) would be that amount of revenue remaining after immediate expenses.

Russ,

It would be helpful to me (and possibly others) in understanding this thread if you would be kind enough to elaborate on this statement you made.

Particularly, what services are you being paid for and what are "immediate" expenses?

Thanks.

[David Nice]

Originally Posted by rmyers1

We are fortunate to have persons such as Mr. Will Decker, who donates a lot of time and effort into the advancement of NACHI...

Now that is the first good thing I have heard you say about Mr. Decker. It is a far cry from what you said about him in phone calls to me. Those statements did nothing to "accentuate the positive".

In fact some of the statements turned out to be false.. I have also noticed subtle innuendos regarding him in various other posts on the board as well (again nothing positive).

All the while I have always heard nothing but good things to say about you form Mr. Decker. Even when he is in disagreement with you, he as found something good to say. He is by no means perfect, but he's a bigger man than most in that respect.

I sure hope your remarks represent a sincere respect, rather than yet another attempt at manipulation. Given the history (and some recent events) it is hard to say for sure, from this seat.

[David Nice]

Originally Posted by jbushart

"Everywhere", as it pertains to the neighboring state of Missouri, will continue to observe that the Chapter president is a volunteer (unpaid) position.

We acknowledge no rights to the property of those invited to our meetings to conduct training.

We charge fees with the intent to cover the expenses of the training and keep none of the money collected for that purpose (and disregard all criticisms to the contrary).

A chapter coordinates the provision of training for its members in the interests of the members. If there is profit to be obtained, it comes through the increased skill levels of the members of that chapter and their enhanced reputations within that community for having obtained the higher skill level.

We are in the business of profiting from performing home inspections...not profiting from coordinating training opportunities at the chapter level.

Just my thoughts...

I agree with the spirit of what you said here. I do think you may have misunderstood the concept of profit as it pertains to a chapter.

One of the jobs of a chapter (if they choose) is to work to increase NACHI and chapter membership in their area. Another can be to locally promote NACHI and it's members. NACHI will contribute to some of those promotions by matching dollars spent (within certain guidelines), but a chapter needs to start with some funds to begin with.

Not every event will be profitable and not every event needs to be. It would make perfect sense for some chapters to strive to to make a "profit" to better serve NACHI, Chapter members and the community.

It is undersandable that in some states that have no CE requirements that it can be tough to even look at making a "profit" as a possibility. I would hope that NACHI will continue to bite the bullet (to some extent) in areas so that education remains available.

My point is that there is no "one size fits all" scenario when it comes to events being "in the black" for chapters. A chapter can only do their best to at least break even. If they do better, it's a good thing. I hope that you will address the event "profits" from that point of view rather than to make it some kind of ethical/moral issue.

Putting money in ones own pocket may be a whole other story.

[David Nice]

Originally Posted by jbushart

Russ,

It would be helpful to me (and possibly others) in understanding this thread if you would be kind enough to elaborate on this statement you made.

Particularly, what services are you being paid for and what are "immediate" expenses?

Thanks.

Your missing the point James. You see this all was an (alleged) elaborate hoax on Russel's part to reveal those who are always "attacking" others based on rumors rather than facts.

I'm in stiches!

Seriously though, do you see what's wrong with this picture?

[rmyers1]

Originally Posted by rmyers1

DNICE:

A brief explanation.

When NACHI was first investigating the possibility of establishing a presence in Illinois, many decisions had to be made to choose the right person for the job, knowing the rules and regulations of the State of Illinois, placed a lot of power in the hands of a single person.

I was contacted by NACHI and asked if I would be interested.

Mr. Nick Gromicko, Mr. John Bowman, Mr. Blaine Wiley, Mr. Paul Sabados, and Mr. Joe Farsetta, all the authorities of NACHI, at that time, agreed to the terms.

Those terms being, a free lifetime membership in NACHI, free membership in NACHI's CMI program, and total responsibility for all NACHI activities in the State of Illinois. Payment for my services ( similiar to those of the Educators) would be that amount of revenue remaining after immediate expenses.

An added, unexpected, responsibily is the advertising. As all Pay Pal monies are directed to my personal account, I am also therefore charged with providing an advertising allowances for all Illinois Chapters. This allowance of couse being limited to insure payment for my services.

As the NACHI, State of Illinois Educational Administrator, I have a responsibility to NACHI, the State of Illinois members, and myself.

If I am not successful in my efforts, everyone loses, including me.

Due to the way the State of Illinois is set up, yes, I am NACHI in the State of Illinois, commonly reffered to as the "Illinois Godfather"

This program has been quite successful in our State, and in Florida, consequently, NACHI is exploring the idea for use in other States.

The "Rewards Without Risk" program, which was recently announced, is but the first phase of instituting the program.

Hopes this helps.

Jim

As I have stated here several times...None of this is true

Again:
The point here was being addressed to those persons who are constantly attacking other members, when they don't know whats really going on, or choose not to accept the fact that even though there may be disputes or disagreements between members, that does not necessarily give another person a right to attack or make negative statements based soley upon their interpretation of the issues.

And to Mr. Nice, I thank you for all your kind words, and excellant advise.

End of story

[David Nice]

Originally Posted by rmyers1

Jim

As I have stated here several times...None of this is true

Again:
The point here was being addressed to those persons who are constantly attacking other members, when they don't know whats really going on, or choose not to accept the fact that even though there may be disputes or disagreements between members, that does not necessarily give another person a right to attack or make negative statements based soley upon their interpretation of the issues.

And to Mr. Nice, I thank you for all your kind words, and excellant advise.

End of story

And we are now supposed to believe that b-e-c-a-u-s-e ... ???

The emperor still has no clothes.

When Russ says:

"Those terms being, a free lifetime membership in NACHI, free membership in NACHI's CMI program, and total responsibility for all NACHI activities in the State of Illinois. Payment for my services ( similiar to those of the Educators) would be that amount of revenue remaining after immediate expenses."

we are supposed to believe that he only said that to prove others to be attackers?

I would assert that the real purpose to fishing expedition was to somehow find out who knows what about his activities, and who told on him. At this point, the fact is, that everyone who need to know, knows.

It seems that Russ would rather talk behind people's backs. this is why he is so convinced that people are doing the same to him.

He can complain all he wants about people "attacking" others on this board but attacking others behind their backs is just as bad.

Paranoia makes people do funny things, and it often indicates that they have something to hide.

If you pay close attention to the unfolding of this thread you will understand how his current explanation doesn't wash. He's has to be hoping that nobody pays close enough attention to notice that his story doesn't cut.

Maybe if he repeats this new story enough times, people will start believing it.

It would be better to stop playing stupid games with people. It reminds me of that old bit on Saturday Night Live about the Nixon tapes.

[David Nice]

Sorry, in all my exuberance I failed to mention another reason that one would post such outlandish claims and then explain away the deception.

Make over the top, outlandish claims, get people going, then retract them. Everyone is supposed to be so relieved to find out those terrible things are not true, that they will "pay no attention to the man behind the curtain", so to speak. With any luck people will not look into certain other practices that may not rise to THAT level but are none the less, abuses of ones position.

Regardless of whether any such abuses are real or imagined, the issues highlight the fact that an appropriate level of accountability may need to be instituted for a position that affects many NACHI inspectors in that state.

Over the coming year, our chapter plans to develop at least 3 courses that we will use here in Wisconsin and may make them available to other states. Unfortunately we may not choose to offer them in Illinois if we don't have reasonable assurances that we wont get d**ked around (in getting them approved).