NACHI needs a few good men / women

[Robert T. Brown]

Joe,

I would love to be provided the link.

Thank you.

[Gerry Beaumont]

Originally Posted by jfarsetta

John,

The charter of the education committee is to provide educational materials for NACHI members. When folks believe it morphed into controlling education for the membership at the state level is anyone's guess, but remains untrue.

There, now you've read it.

Joe, you are untitled to your opinions just like any other member, however who suggested that NACHI'd education committee was trying to "control" anything, I believe Russell was trying to recruit members in each state to help members at large and the committee to properly respond to the challenges that face us all.

I am hear to tell you that NACHI education only ever had ONE charter, it was from Nick 3 years ago, it had no limitations what so ever.

Reagrds

Gerry

[Joe Farsetta]

I have seen an education committe charter, and it is somewhat limited.

[Robert T. Brown]

Joe,

May I see the Charter?

[Joe Farsetta]

I am trying to find it. When I have, I will gladly provide the link.

As to Gerry's comment about no "control", then we are in agreement, and I have stated nothing untrue. Some folks believe they will need to get approvals from the Education Committee to represent NACHI interests pertaining to education within their home state. I simply reinforced what you just stated. The request was for some good folks. No one is attempting to control anything. Right?

[Robert T. Brown]

I am not aware of anybody trying to control.

I am aware that some people are trying to work things better. I don't think that is control, do you?

Personally, I believe each State should have an Education Representative. They would be in a better position to know what is required in their State than anybody else I would think.

[Joe Farsetta]

It would depend on whether it took away an individual's right to represent his or her own interests in any particular matter.

[Robert T. Brown]

Joe,

No matter how hard people try to do something good there will always be someone there to knock them down and cry foul!

If more members got involved on a local basis things would go a lot smoother.

[Joseph Hagarty]

Originally Posted by jfarsetta

I have seen an education committe charter, and it is somewhat limited.

Originally Posted by jfarsetta

I am trying to find it. When I have, I will gladly provide the link.

Joe Farsetta:


As a Committee Member, I have never seen the Charter that you reference.


I believe no such Charter exists.


If the Charter were to exist, it should be readily accessible and easy to obtain by all Members of this Organization.

Do you disagree???

[Robert T. Brown]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Go figure!

Maybe I'm wrong but me thinks that was part of the reason John B. is resigning.

[William J. Decker]

This is gointg to be a long one, so hang in there:

There is a charter for the education committee. There has been one for some time.

Please produce it and send it to Russ Myers. He has been looking for anything from which to work from.


As to the volunteers in each state, I said it was a good thing. What is cannot morph into is a "gatekeeper" role, where ONLY one person is permitted to speak for NACHI with regards to educational requirements or approvals for any one state.

You misunderstand. This is not what is proposed, as Russ's post shows. No one person dictating of gatekeeping, but one person who is responsible.


I have said this in the education committee forum before. I have also stated that is has been NACHI's long-standing policy to approve most all educational courses related to our industry. Vendors who want a NACHI approved vendor seal also submit their vendor information and course materials to a three person panel in NACHI for logging and approval.

But such approval, especially in license states, must follow proceedures and rules. Let's face facts. Within 10 years (probably sooner) every state will have some sort of licensing rules or laws. We must get ahead of the curve. This endless back and forth squabbling must end.

I don't care who is in charge, but someone must be in charge. Let that person have the authority and the responsibility. One cannot have one without the other. This is clear to all who can see. NACHI has had way too much of the old way and it is clear that it does not work. Time to try something new.


The reason for my reply and the need to clear the air comes on the heels of information I received, as well as no fewer than two approved educational vendors receiving anonymous e-mails as to the disposition of their status and courses, as determined by the Education Committee. I do not believe they were sent by you, but question the timing and the fact that the leadership of the EC may not be aware of things happening in the background.

So what else is new? That is what I am working against. We must work in the clear, in public, and be accountable. If I recieve (and I have) e-mails from non-persons, I just ignore them. As far as I know, Russ Myers is in charge of ED (under the Executive Board) and untill I hear different, Russ is the guy who I report to. I have worked in the corporate environment too long not to recognize stupid, meaningless, in-fighting when I see it. That is what I got into HI to get away from.


You are also quite correct, in that guys like Russ and yourself have done a great job. You are also correct in the fact that many folks "volunteer" and produce zip. There is nothing new here, especially as it pertains to education in NACHI.

Let me be crystal clear, here. Any time I fail to produce what I promise to produce, I expect, I welcome, others to call me on it. That is called accountability. So far, with G-d's help, I have been able to live up to this standard. I have messed up plenty, many times on this very board. When other call me out, I realize it, change it and appologize. Then I move on and don't make the same mistake again. It's called learning from mistakes. I welcome accountability. It makes me better and makes my work better and makes NACHI better.


You provide free course materials to NACHI members. You get no grief from me for your efforts, only gratitude. I also am the first to state that education is an art and not a science. As such, I will never stand in the way of someone writing a course. I am also not stuck in the pomp and circumstance of pretending that I am, educationally, the greatest thing since sliced bread. Some folks write great courses but are terrible instructors. Others write mediocre courses, but really have an impact on the audience in their presentation. My attitude is to let it fly.

I am presenting the first NACHI state approved course this Saturday. I have taught before and prepared curriculum before, but I had a nightmare last night about this upcoming class. I will stand before our Chapter's members (and non-NACHI members!!!) and present it. I will abide by their decision.

I understand and appreciate your gratidtude. Really. But I will only hold myself to the same standard I expect from others. If I mess up, I expect my fellows to throw tomatos. If I do well (again, only with G-d's help), I just hope it helps.


But, there has been turmoil over the past 2 1/2 years in the very area you and Russ are trying to kick start. There have been, in my opinion, too many side agendas in the past, which hurt the educational effort. I am not going to go down that road again. I have asked the Education Committee to stay the course, and produce some quality materials in the offing.

Understand, agree and beg you to join us.


As I stated, there is a charter for the education committee. If you'd like to see the full-blown charter, with all the legal restrictions as to what the committee may and may not do, I will provide a link. In the mean time, this isnt rocket science. The charter is simple. It is to produce educational materials for use by NACHI members.

I would ask that you post the link for every NACHI member to see. That is what we are trying to do on the Education page, here:

http://www.nachi.org/edcomupdate.htm

Public, for all members to see.


You and a couple of others have started to do what no one has been able to do prior. My hats off to you. As I stated, I have given the EC a pretty wide berth to do those things legitimately pertaining to education within the ranks of NACHI.

I would ask, even beg, for you to join us. I am troubled by your phrase 'I have given'. Do you have the authority? If so, given by whom? As I understand it, Russ Myers was given sole authority (and responsibility) for the NACHI ED committee a couple of moths ago. And he has produced.

Whanna help? I really hope that you do.

[William J. Decker]

Sorry, I have been 'carefully' trying to reply to Joe F. previous post (and finish a report and fix my daughters computer and cook dinner and fight this darn cold I picked up in Florida).

"It would depend on whether it took away an individual's right to represent his or her own interests in any particular matter."

What 'individual'? The idea is for a person in a particular state to step up and serve all the members in that state, not their own 'individual' interests. Why would a person volunteer to serve all the people in his state, but be focus his concern on his own 'rights'? If NACHI, and its members are serves, the 'individual' is also served bu the mere fact that they are a member of NACHI. Am I missing soething here?

Is this so hard to understand?

Robert;

'Go figure'?

Is their still hope that I can make a Jew out of you?

BTW: Who is with me that we should reject John Bowman's attempt to resign? He does not have my permission.

But I am only one 'individual'.

[Russell Spriggs]

Would it help if I made a post and deleted it?

Sorry, just trying to lighten the thread a bit . . .

Russ

[William J. Decker]

Go for it, Russel.

Just don't delete mine. I worked long and hard on them.

Any input, from you, would be greatly appriciated. I think that we have finally gotten to the basic argument that needs to be addressed.

[Joseph Hagarty]

Will:

Joe F does not seek to help.

He only seeks to control where no Charter or prescribed Methodology has been established.

What is Joe F's goal in this?

Is not the Goal to improve the Business / Financial / Educatuonal betterment of the represented Membership of the Organization?

Joe F:

Do you have any preconceived, negotiated, or established Nonfinancial/Finacial gains thru NACHI and/or Vendors in this undertaking or establishment of Charter?

Please post Stated Charter at your earliest convenience.

Hesitation in response will be duly noted......