ICC Boot Camp

[jeffghooper]

You know there are more than just building codes out there.

That is an understatement!!!!!

[Richard L. Bennett]

Jeff

I think I have been shot by the big BB bullet. Don't know if it was you or Greg Bell that got the neck shot but I see blood on my shirt. So here are some follow up shots in return. Lets see if any hit.

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One of the things that I do for the world is sit on the Code Enforcement Board for our city and because of my volunteer service I was ask to review some code enforcement software.

In short - too many $$$ but the software did know the code. With our new BIs being able to have a fax on its way to the builder listing the issues with code references before he has left the construction site and the homes having code compliance engineered in at the CAD level the old way of doing inspections is done. With the builders having project mgrs and quality control people (with letters like PE after their name) that watch every nail (don't want any stolen) the code is not the issue, It is the training of the people to use the equipment. It is the computer and the PDA with the "Yes - No" check list

Old school people like you and me are done - The kids are taking over the world with Blackberries.

You might get an inspection job because you have ICC after your name but I might get it because I have "Telecorida Certified for new construction" after mine. It is just marketing.

I am not against HI's becoming better and getting an education, but I do not like the education establishment selling snake oil. Jeff this is a problem from the public school up. As a profession we have been paying high $$ for our education and a lot of it not worth a crap as to helping our clients buy a better and safer home. Oh, we personally might be better and grown a little. Might have been better to go to church or take an art class. Personal growth

I would like to say that inspecting to code is just software but that is not quite true YET. I would guess that very soon one will be able to take the ICC test with an open laptop or pda in place of a book. Any takers??

As far as towns outsourcing BI inspections they have been doing that for years esp in the electrical area. Now with the home building slump I expect some city BI's to be out of work. Our city is thinking of letting our two go at the end of the year and using the county boys.

Now I must get my equipment in the truck for I will be pressure testing a new home drainage system to see if it meets code. -- Jeff do you remember how it is done?? It is in the Florida code. Just kidding about doing it -- but I can and have.

You sure know how to get a person to type

Have a good day


rlb

[jeffghooper]

Remember, no more than 20 lb psi?

I recently started taking Diovan for my blood pressure Richard. What's in you wallet?

I do not disagree with your most recent post.

Suggestion. I gave PB county copies of the codes on disk to look at. They were impressed with the search features. Two lap tops with the muni version of the codes, with commentaries on the hard drives, less than 2,000.00 for your two inspectors. Instant overnight code experts, with shields and enforcement power. It takes just a minute to look up ALL the areas that pertain to an item in the codes. No software to buy and no missed areas of the codes.

By the way, the kids as you stated may be the problem. The FL building inspector license requires 5 years as a contractor in the field that they are certified. The contractor test required 5 years of construction to be certified. A single discipled inspector cannot, (at least if he obtained his certificates legally), be less than 28 years old as a provisional. A multiple disciplined inspector would not be less than 38 years old. That is why FL got rid of the CABO 1 & 2 family as a qualification for building inspectors. They would have to be 58 years old to meet the requirements set forth by the state.

[Richard L. Bennett]

My faith healer and vet have me on Lotrel

Don't have a code book but think it is 5 psi of air - 10 ft of water - peppermint - or smoke -- might be wrong but 20 psi sounds a little hi

Perhaps Greg or someone has knowledge in this area. Any plumbers out there that know the ICC code for testing a drain system??

Quick this is a test on how fast one can look up code - real hard if you don't have a book

rlb

[gbeaumont]

Hi Richard,

I can't believe that ou of all people want to know what the code says

P2503.5.1 Rough plumbing.

DWV systems shall be tested on completion of the rough piping installation by water or air with no evidence of leakage. Either test shall be applied to the drainage system in its entirety or in sections after rough piping has been installed, as follows:
1. Water test. Each section shall be filled with water to a point not less than 10 feet (3048 mm) above the highest fitting connection in that section, or to the highest point in the completed system. Water shall be held in the section under test for a period of 15 minutes. The system shall prove leak free by visual inspection.
2. Air test. The portion under test shall be maintained at a gauge pressure of 5 pounds per square inch (psi) (34 kPa) or 10 inches of mercury column (2488 Pa). This pressure shall be held without introduction of additional air for a period of 15 minutes.

Regards

Gerry

[jeffghooper]

I stand corrected.

§P312.3 Drainage and vent air test. An air test shall be made by forcing air into the system until there is a uniform gauge pressure of 5 pounds per square inch (psi) (34.5 kPa) or sufficient to balance a 10-inch (254 mm) column of mercury. This pressure shall be held for a test period of at least 15 minutes. Any adjustments to the test pressure required because of changes in ambient temperature or the seating of gaskets shall be made prior to the beginning of the test period.

Pools are 35

Where did I get 20? BWAG I bet!

[jeffghooper]

I stand corrected.

§P312.3 Drainage and vent air test. An air test shall be made by forcing air into the system until there is a uniform gauge pressure of 5 pounds per square inch (psi) (34.5 kPa) or sufficient to balance a 10-inch (254 mm) column of mercury. This pressure shall be held for a test period of at least 15 minutes. Any adjustments to the test pressure required because of changes in ambient temperature or the seating of gaskets shall be made prior to the beginning of the test period.

Florida Buildign Code

Pools are 35 psi

Ahh, Gas is 20 psi

MAXIMUM CAPACITY OF PIPE IN CUBIC FEET OF GAS PER HOUR
FOR GAS PRESSURE OF 20.0 PSI AND A PRESSURE DROP OF 10 PERCENT

Where did I get 20? BWAG I bet!

[Richard L. Bennett]

See even us Sr. members of the profession (in age only) can be educated

It just takes a little more time.

rlb