Nick are your serious with the post reguarding ce providers????

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by dharris

While were on the topic of simple answers I have three for you.
Why do I never see on the ASHI BB, or other HI boards [ASHI members or ASHI associates ] crying the blues that the goverment is going to put them out of business if licensing [ bare minuium requirments to qualify as an inspector] is enacted in their state.

#2 .... when a respected member of your org asked a simular question of NACHI members on your BB there were no replys... Why???
Recent examples... The crying of NH, Fla and WV inspectors,

#3....AZ ASHI has a policy of providing all AZ members,[ new or experienced inspectors].... mentering assistance to meet full membership, ride alongs, providing unlimited answers to any questions , marketing, technical info by phone or email , etc, 24/7 ... does AZ NACHI offer that to their members????

Spell check doesn't work. So the heck with correct spelling.

( Spell Check works for me )
The information above is what you tell us. How do we know it is true?????
. If that is so I expect it is because ASHI will remove the true post and ban the person for a period of time and tell them not to do it again.
ASHI is also closed to me to find out what they do think and do.
THE ASHI members show how great NACHI is by comming over here where we allow you to post things you could never post on ASHI .
Thanks You continue to prove how great NACHI is and the cost is much less the ASHI and NACHI never asks for more money for other things like ASHI has done more then once.
Roy Cooke . NACHI is the one for me for EVER
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[rwand1]

Claude said..

I have attended and delivered enough educational venues and clearly understand the difference, but fortunately there are some that can do a great job, some that can do a satisfactory job, and clearly there are some that need to step aside!

You can say that again! And as you know I have always been in favour of only college accredited courses. Go get em!

[rwand1]

Roy said..

I have heard ASHI is after all old Canadian ASHI members and is offering special prices to all OAHI RHIs who are not members of ASHI .
I have been told they are giving the rest of this year and next year for if you ask only $100:00 .

Actually its $150 US which works out to $174.50 Cdn. Thats a good deal in my opinion.

[Nick Gromicko]

OK Dan, I'll answer your questions:

1. I don't know what every individual member says but everywhere licensing is adopted NACHI thrives. I wear two hats in that I have both a duty to NACHI members (which are generally harmed by licensing as minimum standard licensing is much like ASHI's Candidate diploma mill in that it dumps unqualified inspectors into their markets), and a duty to NACHI the trade association (which is generally benefited by licensing as licensing roughly triples the number of inspectors in states that adopt it). So, I have mixed feelings about licensing. I disagree with my members who think licensing is putting them out of business. There are only two states out of 50 that require membership in trade associations and in both (PA & AL) it can be NACHI. After 30 years of ASHI, ASHI has managed to require membership in ASHI in a grand total of ZERO states/provinces. There is no place on the planet earth that requires one to join ASHI. The NHIE has a 70% passing cut off score. You can answer almost 1/3 of the questions wrong and still pass. So I don't see licensing, ASHI, or the NHIE, keeping anyone out of business... licensing puts 3 times as many inspectors into business than it keeps out. I don't know what goes on on any other message board or website. I never post, quote from, or visit any site other than www.nachi.org.

2. I don't know. NACHI's message board gets about 400 posts a day so I can't follow it all. Tell me what specific question you want me to reply to and I will.... as always.

3. Yes, and much more of course.

4. Uh, no. Membership is only $289. ASHI's payment plan, which attracts under capitalized people into the inspection business who are then more likely to cut the rest of our throats with cheap pricing is parallel to ASHI's Candidate diploma mill which attracts under qualified people into the inspection business and permits them to enter our profession. Desperate, they are also more likely to cut the rest of our throats with cheap pricing.

I had a 6 year old girl with no qualifications fill out ASHI's application http://www.ashi.org/inspectors/join/...plication1.htm in 22 seconds.... I'm disturbed to hear from you Dan that ASHI not only let her into the profession with no qualifications, but then encourages her to go out on her Fisher Big Wheel and perform a certain number of unqualified inspections for poor unsuspecting consumers as the only way to achieve full membership. I'm even more disturbed to hear from you Dan that ASHI not only put this 6 year old girl into business in 22 seconds with their total lack of entrance requirements, but that ASHI will also finance her entrance with only the change from her pink piggy bank as a down payment to ASHI. We don't seek under capitalized, under qualified applicants like ASHI does.

Like I said.... the ASHI logo is our industry's symbol of shame.

[dharris]

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I had a 6 year old girl with no qualifications fill out ASHI's application http://www.ashi.org/inspectors/join/...plication1.htm in 22 seconds.... I'm disturbed to hear from you Dan that ASHI not only let her into the profession with no qualifications, but then encourages her to go out on her Fisher Big Wheel and perform a certain number of unqualified inspections for poor unsuspecting consumers as the only way to achieve full membership. I'm even more disturbed to hear from you Dan that ASHI not only put this 6 year old girl into business in 22 seconds with their total lack of entrance requirements, but that ASHI will also finance her entrance with only the change from her pink piggy bank as a down payment to ASHI. We don't seek under capitalized, under qualified applicants like ASHI does.

Like I said.... the ASHI logo is our industry's symbol of shame.[/quote]

ASHI logo is our industys symbol of shame???? Show me where an ASHI member uses ASHIs logo with no verified qualificiations, no proof of passing a nationally reconised provctored exam, and where this member is marketed to the public as a certified member.

ASHI put this girl in business ????
Where is this 6 year old listed to the public as a "certified" inspector ??? Show me the public site that shows that this 6 year old met ASHIs full requirments and ASHI is marketing this girl as a qualified ASHI member along with all other inspectors that met ASHIs full membership requirments and I'll admit that your correct and join your org.


I think your confused.... This sounds like the 15 year old Utah kid that passed your online quiz , the only difference was he was listed on your find an inspector site with all other NACHI inspectors as a certified home inspector in the recent TV commentary in Utah.

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by dharris


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I think your confused.... This sounds like the 15 year old Utah kid that passed your online quiz , the only difference was he was listed on your find an inspector site with all other NACHI inspectors as a certified home inspector in the recent TV commentary in Utah[/B].

You do like that story don't you Dan I understand ASHI made a big deal out of it just like Michael Leavitt and the American Instute of Home Inspectors did .
So strange how you do not tell the rest of the story The 12 year olds Dad is A P2P franchise and a member of ASHI .
I am sure your ASHI SOP states that to not do or say any thing to hurt the home inspection industry or very close words to that .
Now you being a straight and law abiding Home Inspector I expect you will go and Read the ASHI SOP and make sure the proper charges are laid to this Gentleman ??? who deserves some sort of discipline .
I would love you to make sure you let us know what the out come of this complaint is so all home Inspectors can see that ASHI and DHarris want justice served properly .
Roy Cooke RHI... Royshomeinspection.com..... CAHPI-ON
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[rwand1]

I am sure the ASHI Code of Ethics may have been breached if as alleged the ASHI member is said to have done would be CONDUCT UNBECOMING A MEMBER! As I have said before what values is the father instilling in his child?

Now does P2P condone this activity, and what does P2P have to say with regards to franchisees conduct vis-a-vis P2P COE?

[Jason A. Sieg, CMI]

dharris is right, that is... when you change the requirements that he asks for to FULL MEMBERSHIP.

Also the fact that the way I read A$HI's site is, pay us to join but you are not able to use our logo or say that you have joined our organization until you find someone else to certify you (like NHIE, because A$HI does not certify anyone).

Then they ask you to pay them before they look at your application. It looks to me that they are looking to reject your application and keep your money. Even though your paying them to NOT be aloud to use their logo, or say that you belong to their organization.

Even if you have all the necessary credentials to be a FULL member and decide to join you are still only a candidate not aloud to use their logo, etc. for 30 days.

Apply Fee: $80.00
Membership (Oops, joining... Oops, Candidate) Fee: $295.00
A$HI SOP & Ethics Exam Fee: $85.00
NHIE Exam Fee: $195.00
Duplicate Copy of your Exam Results: $15.00 cash only
Total $670.00 & you are not able to use their logo yet!

Late because of a flat tire or your car was rear-ended... $85.00 + $195.00 = $280.00 more to retake the exams.

Not to forget that you have to pay the shipping & printing for all the copies of your inspections you have done for their review. They may, just for the heck of it refuse any inspections you have done before you have applied to them.

When I thought about Home Inspection as a profession I looked at A$HI. I thought to myself, why would I trust them, their list of business practices looked untrustworthy. Their info on their web site looked like one of those Emails that say... Hello, I am a banker from xxxxx country. Pres. so-n-so has been killed & I want to get my hands on his money. Can I launder it through you in the USA?

The way I saw & still see A$HI is a lot of fluff & hype for a lot of my hard earned money.

Yes, NACHI could be more watchful over the testing processes but the way I see it the people of NACHI are very trustworthy and don't need to be babysat. NACHI people acknowledge that they continuously need education and want additional education. That shows wisdom!

I do not type as fast as I think so some of my thoughts may have been cut short by my typing speed.

[rwand1]

There are many members of ASHI, OAHI-CAHPI that are stating they are Certified by ASHI and ditto with Canadian Certified by OAHI-CAHPI. Niether association certifies anyone.

Certified seems to be a popular misused term.

[Bruce M. Graham, III]

ASHI logo is our industys symbol of shame???? Show me where an ASHI member uses ASHIs logo with no verified qualificiations, no proof of passing a nationally reconised provctored exam, and where this member is marketed to the public as a certified member.


Dan,
Whats a provctored exam? Is that an ashi thing?

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by dharris

[ASHI logo is our industys symbol of shame???? Show me where an ASHI member uses ASHIs logo with no verified qualificiations, no proof of passing a nationally reconised provctored exam, and where this member is marketed to the public as a certified member.

http://noashi.blogspot.com/

[dharris]

Originally Posted by rcooke

You do like that story don't you Dan I understand ASHI made a big deal out of it just like Michael Leavitt and the American Instute of Home Inspectors did .
So strange how you do not tell the rest of the story The 12 year olds Dad is A P2P franchise and a member of ASHI .
I am sure your ASHI SOP states that to not do or say any thing to hurt the home inspection industry or very close words to that .
Now you being a straight and law abiding Home Inspector I expect you will go and Read the ASHI SOP and make sure the proper charges are laid to this Gentleman ??? who deserves some sort of discipline .
I would love you to make sure you let us know what the out come of this complaint is so all home Inspectors can see that ASHI and DHarris want justice served properly .
Roy Cooke RHI... Royshomeinspection.com..... CAHPI-ON
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I amazed that nachi members are quick to accuse ashi members of being dishonest...
Why??? I see no reason at all why the kid could not pass the exam on his own..
What I cannot figure out is why qualified/ experienced nachi members that went the extra mile to meet nachi requirements support obvious non- verification of a new applicant when nachi marketed this kid as a "certified inspector" to the public along with them on the find an inspector site.


Dan,
Whats a provctored exam? Is that an ashi thing?

It is, only ashi members are privy to the full explanation.






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[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by dharris

I amazed that nachi members are quick to accuse ashi members of being dishonest...
Why??? I see no reason at all why the kid could not pass the exam on his own..
What I cannot figure out is why qualified/ experienced nachi members that went the extra mile to meet nachi requirements support obvious non- verification of a new applicant when nachi marketed this kid as a "certified inspector" to the public along with them on the find an inspector site.
Dan,
Whats a provctored exam? Is that an ashi thing?
It is, only ashi members are privy to the full explanation.
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Typical evade evade the truth .
No where did I see it said all ASHI members dishonest.
passing the NACHI exam and meeting the requirements of NACHI are two different things .
Yes the exam was passed By whom we do not know and that is where it ended .
He was not marketed as certified .
Gosh you ASHI members sure do like NACHI .
As I said before and you or no one else has disputed it .
You could never make post like this on you ASHI only members BB .
Thats why you and others keep comming over here to get your jollies .
This is the place you get a cheap fix .
Glad to see you just can not stay away from the place where truth prevails .
Roy Cooke
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[Stephen W. Stanczyk]

Dan,

I don't know you. I just wonder why you waste your time posting on this board. I have found over the years that those that bother with someone else's business, end up neglecting their own and then fail. They always want to blame their failure on "the other guy".

While you may or may not have disagreements with Nick and this organization, why don't you just tend to your own business? If you are still working, you obviously haven't made enough money to retire comfortably. If someone hangs out a shingle as a home inspector and puffs his/her credentials, that will eventually catch up with them. Why would you care if someone else fails and goes out of business? Tend to your own.

Every industry has workers that are good or bad at their craft. Unless they have a monopoly, they truly only affect the short cycle of any business environment. In the long run, the bad/weak will fail.

I hope the good inspectors at NACHI thrive. I hope the good inspectors in every organization thrive. I hope the bad inspectors, regardless of association, get what they deserve in the end.

I am going to take an idea from John O and put some ribs on the bbq. While they finish, I will put a line in the water and have an ice cold beer out at my pond. Take a chill pill and leave the board.

[Bruce M. Graham, III]

I second stephen's motion. Stephen ya got another beer and a pole?