QOD -1/9/2007 - Electrical

[Marc D. Shunk]

Originally Posted by pabernathy

AS for PM's........You must be doing a better job at educating them than I am...because I dont get many...most of mine are calls or e-mails....

I've only gotten one phonecall so far, at it was at 10pm. I summarily let the caller know that I wasn't very pleased about the hour he chose to call. At my house, if the phone rings after 9pm, my heart skips a beat. Somebody must be in the hospital, I immediately think. At least we had a pleasant talk.

[Paul W. Abernathy]

You know I used to think that also Marc......still do to a point but now most call on my cell.....and not the home phone...only Mr. Decker calls on my home phone...lol......and I enjoy chatting with him so it's all good.

[Gerry Beaumont]

Originally Posted by bkelly2

So what's the answer ???????????????????

Brian, the best answer for Home inspectors evaluating residential supply is 6awg Copper.

BTW I am pleased to see that over 60% of board users got it right, hopefully the others have learned from the question, that is the intent.

Regards

Gerry

[Marc D. Shunk]

Originally Posted by pabernathy

..so with that said...have at it fella....more than happy to let you take care of it....

No, no. That's it's not my intention to run you out of town. I thought it would be helpful to add and/or slightly modify your comments. You're doing just fine. I certainly don't have the time to respond to posts at all hours of the day and night. You are doing a good job of that. NACHI needs you. I just thought it would be helpful to interject some extra comments along the way when I have the time. Certainly, as I'm sure you would agree, that some degree of moderation is a good thing.

[Brian E. Kelly]

That's what I thought Gerry, thanx.

I think I have seem AL grounding conductors in some mid 60's homes but I do not have a picture.

Paul, keep the questions comming big aged guy.

[Paul W. Abernathy]

Originally Posted by bkelly2

Paul, keep the questions comming big aged guy.

Now I am offended.( not really )........AGED.......man.....you have insulted me as I am not a day over 21.....

Marc......keep em' coming......just remember I may have a method to my posting style to help bring out questions.....BUT as I said before...you are doing a WONDERFUL job.....most excellent.....

Man....I am most certainly going to loose SLEEP tonight..being called AGED....DANG it....Brian...you have harmed my feelings...thehehehehe

[rromoser]

In regards to HI and grounding, the ground rod wires should be copper. No assumption is even required. Aluminum, moisture and direct contact to the earth just isn't a good thing. Corrosion will be rampant in short order..

[Joe Farsetta]

Whomever commented (and I'm not sure who it was at this point) that the QOD was "flawed", I neednt remind you that educating others is an art, and not a science. Many times, questions can be characterized as "flawed", and done so by design.

This is akin to "find the most correct answer". The point is that, I believe, is that the purpose of the question was to encourage discussion, and debate. That is an excellent learning tool, whether participating or meerly reading.

I find it most intereting how Mr. Shunk spends most days searching these forums, and Mr. Sparky (funny name for an electrician) is johnny on the spot.

So, for our Mr. Sparks, who is a NYC electician, what do you think was one of the most radical changes made to the rules regarding electrical wiring in NYC over the past 30 years.

Inquiring minds want to know.

As to the Shunker, as I affectionately call him, which is your reall avater? Is it this one, another one, or the photo of Charles Manson you used on that old forum you used to post on. BTW... nice tie.

You also fail to mention than in many instances, the electrcian simply throws the ground rod into the open trench, alongside the footing. Now, as I understand it, some municipalities (like the State of NJ, I believe) will require that the ground be tied into the re-rods in the footings, and provide an attachment point inside the dwelling.

So, am I making this last statement up? Is is accurate? Is it completely accurate?

[Thomas H. Dietrich]

Originally Posted by jfarsetta

Now, as I understand it, some municipalities (like the State of NJ, I believe) will require that the ground be tied into the re-rods in the foorings, and provide an attachment point inside the dwelling.

I think this has been effect for a while, 2005 NEC (summarized):

250.50 "all grounding electrodes(250.52A1-250.52A6), if present, shall be bonded"
250a3 is "concrete encased electrode"

I don't know how old this is, but it's in my 2002NEC book.

tom

[Marc D. Shunk]

Originally Posted by jfarsetta

As to the Shunker, as I affectionately call him, which is your reall avater? Is it this one, another one, or the photo of Charles Manson you used on that old forum you used to post on. BTW... nice tie.

Were you thinking that I actually look like Manson? I appreciate your sense of humor. So, which one do you think is the real one?

Thank you for the compliment on the tie. My mother bought it for me, in 1973. After all these years, it's still in style. I graduated from a private school, so a tie is second nature. I had a press release photo taken last year for some magazine articles I wrote (only cost 45 bucks). This is that photo. It's not my "every day" dress, I can assure you. You're lucky if you see me clean shaven most days.

[Joe Farsetta]

Your avatar must be from 1973. Is that a clip-on? Is it your HS yearbook photo?

I like the manson one.

BTW, Marc...

When did you get your electrical license in Pa?

[Marc D. Shunk]

Originally Posted by jfarsetta

When did you get your electrical license in Pa?

Ahh... I see where this is headed. As I'm sure you already know, PA is one of several states that does not license electricians on a statewide basis. New York State - your home state - is the same way. I have to collect licenses on a local basis, which can be a pain. It's certainly more expensive, I can say for sure, collecting licenses for all the cities and boros in which they are required. Are you hiring for work in some particular jurisdiction in my labor market?

[Joe Farsetta]

No. Actually I was curious as to where you do the majority of your work. You mentioned that speed and neatness were needed to be profitable. I suppost that's true where there is a lot of competition.

[Paul W. Abernathy]

Originally Posted by sparks

"Alas....we forget....we are teaching on things HI's will see...not what electricians will see."

Incredible!

Whats incredible is I spend alot of time here.....and someone does this and posts negative crap about me to start something WRONG and then hides behind a false screen name.....shame on you OLD FART.....

Should have KNOWN who was behind it.........just figured he would start a new leaf in 2007...guess some people never change.

I am not mad....JUST sad for the guy.....guess he feel's threatened by my electrical knowledge of CODE and ability to translate it to the everyday person...and if you NOW dont know who SPARKS is.....think about it a BIT !

[Joe Farsetta]

http://www.nachi.org/forum/image.php...ine=1151379288

You mean that this isnt a REAL person. Are you saying we have an IMPOSTER posting underan assumed name and avatar?

Shocking.

Reminds me of some other spammers from Pa and South Jersey a couple of years back. What were some of their names?

Back then, we had the same person logged in simultaneously unsing different names, and having BB conversations with "each other" (themself)

Now, Marc seems like a real guy, but who really knows?

Marc, where did you say you worked in Pa?

Chris M... who is the apparent culprit?