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View Poll Results: Ungrounded conductors in 3 phase panels are normaly color coded _______?
White, red, black 5 16.67%
Red, Blue, white 5 16.67%
Black, white, blue 0 0%
Black, red, blue 20 66.67%
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Old 12/16/06, 12:16 PM
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Hi to all,

Sorry we have had no qod for a while, I've been catching up after a bad bout of the Flu and been very busy.

PS, no I am not including a photo !!

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Old 12/16/06, 12:35 PM
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Default Re: QOD for 12/16/06 Commercial Inspection

lol.....Love 3 phase questions....

What if they have a (4) Wire High Leg Delta...lol........then what colors...should they see...I wont tell...

Also...what is the proper PHASE arrangement of this panel in regards to the terminations....

Sorry Gerry....I simply can't resist sometimes.....Good QOD

Maybe If I have time....at the end I can explain about problems in commercial with panel upgrades on 3 phase versus todays arrangement and older arrangements.....if anyone cares to listen later...lol



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Old 12/16/06, 3:03 PM
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OK..........QOD...stop and think......3 phase..we are not bringing into the equation the Grounded Conductors identification in this question....before you answer it....stop....drop and roll...I mean THINK about it...



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Thanks for the clues I just might be able to get it now . all the best Paul ... Cookie
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Old 12/16/06, 3:23 PM
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lol..I am sure YOU got it before the clues my friend...lol....

Dang..I just hit my LOL quota......dang it..



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lol.....Love 3 phase questions....

What if they have a (4) Wire High Leg Delta...lol........then what colors...should they see...I wont tell...
An Orange?...........

In main equipment [ meter sections ]: A = Black, B = Blue, C = Orange [ high phase ],
Neutral = White.

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ahhh....careful " Slice Master"..we are not talking about the meter enclosure...lol......



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ahhh....careful " Slice Master"..we are not talking about the meter enclosure...lol......
You-who-Mr Guru...?

A = Black, B = Orange [ high phase ], C = Blue, Neutral = White.
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YOOHOOO>.........Slice Master...you said....and I quite

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In main equipment [ meter sections ]: A = Black, B = Blue, C = Orange [ high phase ],
Neutral = White.
not the answer I was looking for...BUT now you have blown it slice man...lol..Now I hope you did not get the lastname DUFFY because of your "DUFFS" on the course..thehehhee...har..har...I kill me...



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ahhh....careful " Slice Master"..we are not talking about the meter enclosure...lol......
Mr Guru....?

Aren't the only colors mandatory by code are green /
green with yellow tracer for grounds, or grounding conductors and white or natural gray
for neutrals, or grounded conductors. orange for high leg?
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Yeppers........I was only shooting for the Orange...lol....the colors Gerry posted are acceptacle industry color markings.....now on branch circuits of multiple voltage systems you have to mandatory identify ungrounded phases...but again ....I dont want any brains to explode of this.



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Yeppers........I was only shooting for the Orange...lol.
I shot it at you....

Here comes a Grey Box......

Quote:
An Orange?...........
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Old 12/16/06, 5:13 PM
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lol.....you know I love ya....



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Yeppers........I was only shooting for the Orange...lol....the colors Gerry posted are acceptacle industry color markings.....now on branch circuits of multiple voltage systems you have to mandatory identify ungrounded phases...but again ....I dont want any brains to explode of this.
Hi to all,

I thought that I had posted a fairly easy question, but I am afraid I am not going to understand the answer myself

All that stuff about middle leg Beta and stuff, I am getting one of my headaches, I think I'll lie down.

Paul, you own it

That'll teach you to mess with QOD

You stick to arguing over CMI and leave the serious stuff to professionals

Regards

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One of the conductors on a 3 phase [Grounded B-Phase (Corner-grounded Delta) System] could be white or gray if the system was as follows:

http://ecatalog.squared.com/catalog/...3%2003-10.html

Specific colors for conductors are assigned to be green, green with yellow, white, gray, etc., and some special colors such as as light blue, yellow, and for ceiling heat, brown, orange, and yellow too.

See the NEC Index under "Color Code" if interested.
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