Home Inspector Pro does it again!

[Nick Gromicko]

http://www.nachi.org/hipcomsop.htm

[James H. Bushart]

Question for Dominic.....

While including the NACHI commercial SOP on a software package is okay, why would you not also provide the ATSM SOP option, as well?

That's what most of us in the industry are presently using. Since ATSM allows itself to be modified by mutual agreement of the client and inspector, I would imagine that most inspectors are conforming to ASTM standards whether they realize it or not.

I know you market your software packages to inspectors of all associations. Why the self-imposed restriction?

[Dominic J. Maricic]

Hi James,

We aren't restricting anything. We're in the process of creating 2 additional commercial templates, one is another more detailed NACHI CommSOP template and the second is based on ASTM. Both are in the process of being built right now and should be done in the next week or so. All in good time!

[Michael Larson]

ASTM please

[Dominic J. Maricic]

Originally Posted by mlarson

ASTM please

Sorry, typed that too fast and was looking at James' post. Fixed it above.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by dmaricic

Hi James,

We aren't restricting anything. We're in the process of creating 2 additional commercial templates, one is another more detailed NACHI CommSOP template and the second is based on ASTM. Both are in the process of being built right now and should be done in the next week or so. All in good time!

Cool, Dominic.

Mike....c'mon.

[relliott]

Originally Posted by dmaricic

Hi James,

We aren't restricting anything. We're in the process of creating 2 additional commercial templates, one is another more detailed NACHI CommSOP template and the second is based on ASTM. Both are in the process of being built right now and should be done in the next week or so. All in good time!

Hurry up Dominic.
It s not like you have anything better to do

(thumb, thumby ,thumb ,thumb) THUMB,THUMB.)

It's ok ,because he knows.

[Dominic J. Maricic]

Originally Posted by relliott

Hurry up Dominic.
It s not like you have anything better to do

(thumb, thumby ,thumb ,thumb) THUMB,THUMB.)

It's ok ,because he knows.

Lol, you could always start creating the templates instead. It would free up time for me to work on other new features you want

[relliott]

Thats why I use one Template.

The Condo Bob Special for all occasions.

[Nick Gromicko]

ASTM's SOP isn't an SOP. Read it and you'll find that it says almost nothing. Requires almost nothing. Restricts almost nothing. You'll find you'll have as much trouble making a template out of it as inspectors have trying to follow it. Good luck though.

www.nachi.org/comsop.htm

[Joe Farsetta]

ASTM is a universally accepted guide for performing a commercial property condition assessment.

NACHI is treating COMSOP as a competing guide, but ASTM is NOT a competing organization.

ASTM is the single largest standards-writing body in the world. It documents a multitude of procedures and specifications noted and recognized worldwide.

ASTM is responsible for thousands of standards, procedures, and specifications. They are major contributors to ICC, IBC, IRC, NEC, and NFPA. They used to contribute to BOCA and CABO. They are a sister organization to ISO and ANSI. ANSI and NSF, as an example, write the conformance specifications used by the EPA in the SWDA. ASTM is a major contributor to this effort.

While NACHI inspectors may recognize the COMSOP we have put forward, it is also important to recognize your inspection space and who we are trying to compete with. The bottom line is that architects, engineers, inspectors, and large accounting firms utilize ASTM 2018-08 exclusively. In the world of commercial inspections, many of us will compete in this arena.

For that matter, ASTM is the sole recognized standard for Phase 1 environmental assessments, and has written and ratified the recognized process for mold investigation (In March 2006, ASTM released the new E2418-06 Standard Guide for Readily Observable Mold and Conditions Conducive to Mold in Commercial Buildings: Baseline Survey Process).

These standards are embraced by most, if not all, governmental authorities, whether on the federal, state, or local level. While some others may also be recognized, the ASTM standards are near-defacto, not only in North America, but worldwide.

So, its important to recognize ALL standards, and to UNDERSTAND their strong points and weak points.

I teach BOTH, and teach compliance with BOTH.

We can pretend all we want. The plain truth is that we, as a trade association, should not be teaching members to ignore anything.

One complaint I heard yesterday was that NACHI should stop bashing other associations, bodies, and efforts. We should embrace a variety of tools and standards available to us to help IMPROVE what we do and how we do it.

It need not be at the expense of another.

Want to learn what you need to know? Join me at my next Certified Commercial Inspection seminar. Next one is in the Washington DC Metro Area at the end of October.

http://www.hitinteractivemedia.com/26.html

[James H. Bushart]

Long after NACHI has ceased to be...ASTM will be continuing to quantify and establish standards for the many industries that it has been for years.

Major parts of the IBC, IRC, fire codes and every other standard in use by our industry came from ASTM.

In fact, I doubt that ASTM would even qualify NACHI as a legitimate trade association if it were to apply similar defining measurements as others do.

[Joe Farsetta]

Not saying any of that, Jim.

All I am saying is that an inspector needs to understand what they are up against, and realities of the industries they venture into. Many home inspectors are venturing into the realm of Commercial Inspections as revenue falls off due to a slowing housing market.

Regardless of the reason, and regardless of what format or rule an inspector follows, the bottom line is that knowledge and understanding of the recognized standards is the first, and perhaps the most important step, in performing an inspection.

ASTM is real. COMSOP is real. They are NOT competing standards, and should not be considered as such. I believe they should be regarded as complimentary, provided that things are disclaimed from BOTH, and in favor of the INSPECTOR, and not the affilliated association or organization that crafted the document.

To do less, IMO, perverts the intent.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by jfarsetta

Not saying any of that, Jim.

I know you are not, Joe.

My statement is in addition to yours and in response to Nick's attack on the same institution that provides him with material for NACHI Tv. Where does he think the statistics quoted in his board notching video actually came from?

[Nick Gromicko]

Jim write:

Nick's attack on the same institution

There he goes again. Where do you get this stuff Jim? It is almost as if you are reading from some message board in a parallel universe. I only made 2 posts in this thread.

Anyway, I said nothing about ASTM. All I said was that their mis-titled commercial SOP isn't an SOP. Totally unusable. Hence www.nachi.org/comsop.htm