i am new home inspector , i need helping

[mnahrgang]

Originally Posted by gromicko

I'll find out if there is another way to list all the page URL's at www.nachi.org. We are moving servers and so I know we have about 230,000. I'll try to figure out a way to prove it. You are correct in that these page counting sites inflate the #'s.

Don't waste your time... It would be easy enough to dis-prove. All they have to do is start clicking and start counting.

[Dick Cheney]

But, in the end what is the benefit of claiming that there are such high numbers of web pages?

[Nick Gromicko]

Most things can be quantified: Number of approved courses, number of events, number of benfits, etc. InterNACHI enjoys the right to call themselves the "largest." Another U.S. assocition last year was forced to stop calling themselves the largest and replaced it with "oldest." We want to make sure they never switch back. We like that they are old. We like that we are the largest. Making sure that we are the largest in every quantifiable category is a way of maintaining our #1 position.

Does that help answer?

Anyway, you might be correct that page counting tools are inaccurate but they are probably fine to compare relative sizes of different websites.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by gromicko

Most things can be quantified: Number of approved courses, number of events, number of benfits, etc. InterNACHI enjoys the right to call themselves the "largest." Another U.S. assocition last year was forced to stop calling themselves the largest and replaced it with "oldest." We want to make sure they never switch back. We like that they are old. We like that we are the largest. Making sure that we are the largest in every quantifiable category is a way of maintaining our #1 position.

Does that help answer?

That benefits NACHI, for sure, but has no bearing at all on my business.

How the multitude of pages is of value to me is that it represents a voluminous information resource....everything from the message board to the many links provided on it by the posters on the various subjects pertaining to home inspections.

Most of it is avialable to the public-at-large which is NACHI's greatest benefit to the industry, IMO.

[Dick Cheney]

Does having that many indexed web pages assist in the claim Nachi is the largest? Largest by membership perhaps, but number of indexed pages does not relate to claims of being the largest association, only membership numbers define that in my opinion. Its like OAHI claiming to be the voice of home inspectors in Ontario, when we all know it doesn't have a voice because it can't deliver what it has been legislated to do.

[Nick Gromicko]

Again, if anything is largest in all quantifiable categories, number of members, number of events, number of benefits, number of countries it is in, number of webpages, number of services, number of hits, whatever... then it is the largest.

InterNACHI is not only the largest overall... it is the largest in every quantifiable category.

In the U.S. we have what is called the Consumer Fraud Act, which is why ASHI had to stop calling themselves the largest. InterNACHI is the undisputed largest inspection trade association in the universe.

The Royal Institute of Chartered Surveyors is larger, but they count boat appraisors and stuff. Subtract all that out of there and InterNACHI is the largest inspection trade association ever. Largest in every category, largest overall.

And I'm hell bent on keeping our #1 position forever and ever.

[mnahrgang]

What's with this garbage? Try to help a guy and I'm told to "speek english".

To the brainless twit who posted their "wisdom". Its "speak" with an "a", and "English" is capitalized, you hypocrite.

i am new home inspector... 9/4/08 3:00 PM speek english

[Brian A. MacNeish]

Originally Posted by jbushart

That benefits NACHI, for sure, but has no bearing at all on my business.

How the multitude of pages is of value to me is that it represents a voluminous information resource....everything from the message board to the many links provided on it by the posters on the various subjects pertaining to home inspections.

Most of it is avialable to the public-at-large which is NACHI's greatest benefit to the industry, IMO.

Most of it is avialable to the public-at-large which is NACHI's greatest detriment to the industry in the long run! Just about anyone that watches HGTV, Mikey Holmes et al, has worked in the construction industry somewhere, sometime in any capacity down to laborer can simply and cheaply become a "certified" HI in as little as a few hours or by continually taking the test until they pass.

From a PM via the net about 5-6 months ago......very similar to the one Mario admitted to making:
"Its not a permanent thing (NACHI certification)......and definitely not something I'm proud to boast about, considering it took me all but 2 hrs. to become "certified". Don't worry, I've been listening to what you've been saying. This just had to be a first step for our company. I have people on my back to start doing inspections for them, and CAPHI wasn't an option at this point in time." (since he couldn't get certified in 2 hours....my comment)


James, remember your old post about what NACHI is really about:

"Nick/NACHI are no different from any other vendor who makes money from idiotic licensing laws. While he does a somewhat effective job of concealing it, NACHI Tv is positioning itself to use licensing laws to sell its "advanced" courses on flashlight battery insertion, etc in response to state required CEUs.

Do not depend on NACHI or any other vendor of licensing paraphanalia to help you interfere with their income."

To which I replied something like the following and was quickly deleted by head office:
"Hear! Hear! JB
Thank-you for exposing NACHI for what it really is: A diploma mill and a vendor's customer list "

Here it is in a nutshell......1....2......and 3:

(1) The easier it is to become an HI, (2) the more customers for the vendors and (3) the more that accrues to NICK somehow.......He's not doing this for his health!!

Remember the ultimate INACHI brotherhood motto as the field gets overloaded with cheap and easily "Certified" HI's:

BROTHERS HELPING BROTHERS COMPETE AGAINST BROTHERS!!!

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by Brian A. MacNeish

Most of it is avialable to the public-at-large which is NACHI's greatest detriment to the industry in the long run! Just about anyone that watches HGTV, Mikey Holmes et al, has worked in the construction industry somewhere, sometime in any capacity down to laborer can simply and cheaply become a "certified" HI in as little as a few hours or by continually taking the test until they pass.

From a PM via the net about 5-6 months ago......very similar to the one Mario admitted to making:
"Its not a permanent thing (NACHI certification)......and definitely not something I'm proud to boast about, considering it took me all but 2 hrs. to become "certified". Don't worry, I've been listening to what you've been saying. This just had to be a first step for our company. I have people on my back to start doing inspections for them, and CAPHI wasn't an option at this point in time." (since he couldn't get certified in 2 hours....my comment)


James, remember your old post about what NACHI is really about:

"Nick/NACHI are no different from any other vendor who makes money from idiotic licensing laws. While he does a somewhat effective job of concealing it, NACHI Tv is positioning itself to use licensing laws to sell its "advanced" courses on flashlight battery insertion, etc in response to state required CEUs.

Do not depend on NACHI or any other vendor of licensing paraphanalia to help you interfere with their income."

To which I replied something like the following and was quickly deleted by head office:
"Hear! Hear! JB
Thank-you for exposing NACHI for what it really is: A diploma mill and a vendor's customer list "

Here it is in a nutshell......1....2......and 3:

(1) The easier it is to become an HI, (2) the more customers for the vendors and (3) the more that accrues to NICK somehow.......He's not doing this for his health!!

Remember the ultimate INACHI brotherhood motto as the field gets overloaded with cheap and easily "Certified" HI's:

BROTHERS HELPING BROTHERS COMPETE AGAINST BROTHERS!!!

You have applied my criticisms of NACHI Tv, a for profit business, toward the association. While I stand by my remarks, I must emphasize the distinction.

NACHI is evolving into something that I don't like. I admit that. On another thread, I was informed that the association will support activities that it knows to be detrimental to consumers and inspectors, but benefits the association's financial statements.

While I am still far away (though closer today, than a week ago) from issuing a formal and public apology to Dan Harris, Jim Morrison, Chad Fabry, Jerry Peck, Jeff Hooper, two-thirds of the members of ASHI, and many others who have been attacked by me for their criticisms of NACHI --- I will admit that I can now see more smoke and mirrors than bone.

There is bone...but recent posts suggesting the "harm" that comes from classroom training and other reckless hyperbole...is making it harder to find.

Anyway.....NACHI TV (at least, at this moment in time) is not NACHI.

[Nick Gromicko]

Now Jim, a home inspector's education budget is a constant. Not limitless.

You're gonna tell me that 1 classroom course including hallway discussions can compete with the budget equivalent of 40 online courses in terms of competancy improvement?

I didn't seriously say that classroom education harms anyone. I said that choosing classroom education in lieu of its online budget-equivalent choice of dozens of courses is a choice that is harmful.

Listen.... I'm only offering free, repeatable, pace controllable, convenient, multi-expert, courses that don't require travel, hotel rooms, or time away from work and family.

I'm not forcing anyone to avail themselves of it... it is there if you want it or need it to keep your state license.

We also offer and support numerous classroom courses.

I don't hold a gun to anyone's head and tell them to pick one over the other.

The fact that our online courses have been taken hundreds of thousands of times and that states continue to accredit them for CE purposes says much.

www.nachi.org/education.htm

Again though, the vending machine permits all to choose what they want, or nothing at all. If you like Pepsi, we have it. If you like Coke, we have it. If you like one over the other, choose what you like.

However... if you are some kind of fanatical Coke lover, fine... but don't kick the vending machine just because it also offers Pepsi.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by gromicko

You're gonna tell me that 1 classroom course including hallway discussions can compete with the budget equivalent of 40 online courses in terms of competancy improvement?

Look at what you are offering as "continued education".

Although you have called some of these courses "advanced", the majority of them are little more than basic information that a home inspector should have already acquired prior to his first inspection.

In the hyperbolic message board chatter to promote some of these basic courses NACHI leaders have suggested and even recommended unsafe practices and conduct....such as entering wet, low crawlspaces.

A "free" course is certainly good for the budget, but most inspectors who are serious about their training are looking for something of substance and want to acquire new or better skills. NACHI Tv is designed to appeal to the "square filler" looking for the cheapest way to get his CEUs out of the way....not the inspector looking for training.

[Brian A. MacNeish]

Originally Posted by jbushart

You have applied my criticisms of NACHI Tv, a for profit business, toward the association. While I stand by my remarks, I must emphasize the distinction.

NACHI is evolving into something that I don't like. I admit that. On another thread, I was informed that the association will support activities that it knows to be detrimental to consumers and inspectors, but benefits the association's financial statements.

Anyway.....NACHI TV (at least, at this moment in time) is not NACHI.

The threads, especially the IR and Ancillary services threads, are quite are helpful to the vendors in that price and training costs information are bantered. about and vendors post fairly frequently....thus helping themselves not only NACHI TV, another vendor!!

[Nick Gromicko]

Jim, but for every time you complain about that one issue with that one episode, I get 100 compliments from inspectors who find value with all the free education at www.nachi.tv and another 1 or 2 state approvals for the online video courses.

Like classroom vs online... all things in life must be weighed.

[Nick Gromicko]

So Brian, you too are now anti-vendor?

Imagine this industry without vendors. No reporting software, no schools, no labs, no meters, no ladders, no IR cameras, no websites, no cell phones, no inspection books,.... I can't even imagine it!

Like it or not, vendors are a big part of our industry.

Are you not a vendor in that you sell your services? Do you not carry a flashlight?

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by gromicko

Jim, but for every time you complain about that one issue with that one episode, I get 100 compliments from inspectors who find value with all the free education at www.nachi.tv and another 1 or 2 state approvals for the online video courses.

Like classroom vs online... all things in life must be weighed.

Congratulations.

NACHI Tv is a success. I explained to Brian the difference between NACHI Tv and NACHI. Shall I also explain it to you?