And So It Begins

[gmendes]

That's if they all passed the test. How many of these inspectors got to go home with a passing grade?

[rwand1]

Rumour has it no one has failed. At least the ones that are buddies of the Test Inspectors. Elite Group!

[Claude Lawrenson]

First I would not take everything written, stated or rumoured as gospel truth. In reading the article there are parts unfortunately misquoted once again by the media. Sound familiar?

Case in point - no person is officially told about passing or failing until the TIPR is completed and more so after a recommendation is put forward to the NCA for their review. The official announcement does not come from the Chief Examiner or any of the Examiners, but from the NCA armed with a report about the results of the TIPR, and the background review. Not some old boys club - grandfathering scenario that some would rather see. It's called professional accountability to your "peers". And even by members sitting on the committee that are non-inspectors - other proven professionals.

So it is simply rumour to assume or conclude that every applicant passed. That is as far stretch from the truth for any person advertising that they are now a national certificate holder at this point in time is doing so without official NCA endorsement. Simply because the only persons reviewed and approved are the current group of examiners.

Some people do follow the rules, regardless of rumours to try to persuade some people otherwise. There is a process - it is established and it must be followed to the letter.

Perhaps another case in point - is weeding out those that may pose a risk to the public such as information about a OAHI/NACHI member with a criminal record. Whose to blame? There are much bigger issues at stake here.

Next, does working with realtors really pose a conflict of interest? Perhaps that is a question best answered by Nick? Afterall, he has background in that area, so perhaps he can shed his point of view on working with realtors. From my point of view - don't home inspectors work with them to varying degrees virtually every day. So really who is sleeping with whom?

Certainly in all fairness many realtors are concerned about the current market flooded with home inspectors of a variety of shapes, sizes, persuasions and differences, and influences including some that are downright incompetent and ethically challenged. Fortunately there are many more that prove their professionalism and value in the real estate transaction. But currently I hope that we can agree that it is extremely confusing to consumer of services by all the claims and puffery made by inspectors about who really is the best.

[George A. H. Luck]

Yes, sounds like a great idea Claude. Let's set up a board of the good old boys and go around telling inspectors who have been in the business successfully for years that their work experience is of no value because "the board" says so. Sounds darned fair to me!

If you cannot recognize the conflict of interest in having the head of a local real estate board loan his house and services to a private, unelected, self appointed group of inspectors so that they can make the decision (s) noted above then you are a part of the problem. We don't need Nick to spell it out for us. Or at least most of us don't.

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

[quote=clawrenson]First I would not take everything written, stated or rumoured as gospel truth. In reading the article there are parts unfortunately misquoted once again by the media. Sound familiar?

Case in point - no person is officially told about passing or failing until the TIPR is completed and more so after a recommendation is put forward to the NCA for their review. The official announcement does not come from the Chief Examiner or any of the Examiners, but from the NCA armed with a report about the results of the TIPR, and the background review. quote]

Here is the news paper posting.
Shortcut to: http://www.thewhig.com/webapp/sitepages/content.asp?contentid=250231&catname=Local+News&cl assif=

Claude says. " First I would not take everything written, stated or rumoured as gospel truth.. "
Very Interesting I do believe this has been posted many times on this BB.
Thanks for reminding us .
Roy Cooke

[rrichards2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conflict_of_interest

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by rrichards2

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conflict_of_interest

WOW! Great post Thanks Roy
Unfortunatly I do not think that many in this National Group can understand what many of us have been trying to tell them.can you say $$$$$$$$$$.
I still think it comes doown to $$$$$$$$ and nothing else.
Why have so many simple questions been completly ignored .
Roy Cooke

[rwand1]

Just so everyone has the same info to come to an informed decision. After all taxpayers money and all.

[rwand1]

Part ll

[rwand1]

Part lll

It is our opinion at this time that the adoption of the National Certification Program will not require bylaw changes at CAHPI National or Ontario level.

No by-law change makes the whole set up and authority moot and very questionable. The path of least resistance?

[rwand1]

CAHPI By-Law

Article 14 AMENDMENT OF BYLAWS

(1) The bylaws of the Corporation not embodied in the letters patent may be repealed or amended by bylaw, or a new bylaw relating to the requirements of subsection 155(2) of the Canada Corporations Act, may be enacted by a Two-Third (2/3) Majority Vote, provided that the repeal or amendment of any bylaws shall not be enforced or acted upon until the approval of the Minister of Industry has been obtained, if required.

(2) Any proposed bylaw change must be distributed in writing to all Representatives a minimum of thirty (30) days prior to the meeting at which the vote for the bylaw change is taken.

(3) In the event that proposed bylaw amendment or repeal is rejected, documentation of the proposed bylaw amendment or repeal and the voting record shall be forwarded to all Bodies.

(4) Any amendments or repeals to the bylaws shall cause republication and redistribution of the amended or repealed bylaw with amendments or repeals clearly marked showing date of change or repeal.

Article 19 CONFLICT OF INTEREST GUIDELINES FOR BOARD OF DIRECTORS AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS

(1) Representatives of the board of directors, officers, and committee members shall act in good faith in the performance of their duties. They shall place the interests of the provincial/ regional association they serve and the Corporation before their personal and business interests. They shall:

(a) maintain confidentiality and not use any information gained by their office for personal or business advantage if such information is not generally available to other members of their associations.

(b) promptly disclose to their provincial/regional association, board of directors of the Corporation, or committee they serve, any interest or conflicting responsibilities they have which might be construed as prejudicial in any way to their decisions or actions.

(c) refrain from participating in any discussion or meeting, chairing a meeting, and voting on any matter which directly impacts on their own business or related interests.

(d) disclose situations where they have conflicting responsibilities with both provincial/ regional associations and the Corporation. Such disclosure shall not preclude the representative (or committee member) from participating in discussions and voting on any matter as instructed by their provincial/regional association.

(e) represent the interests of their respective provincial/regional association, and vote in accordance with instructions from their respective provincial/regional association, when specifically mandated.

[rwand1]

Simply because the only persons reviewed and approved are the current group of examiners.

.... and who appointed the examiners?

[rwand1]

(b) promptly disclose to their provincial/regional association, board of directors of the Corporation, or committee they serve, any interest or conflicting responsibilities they have which might be construed as prejudicial in any way to their decisions or actions.

I guess Bill Mullen and others didn't read item B.

Given Mr. Mullens statements and views about Nachi I would have serious reservations about Mr. Mullen disclosing his conflicting responsibilities.

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

WOW! Thanks Ray .
I wonder how many if any who have taken the test have read the information posted above .
This is as has been said by many a self appointed group who hope to take over the Home Inspection Control In Canada.
Many things I disagree with in the information above.

I still feel this is a scam and hope that soon more true information comes out.
The Questions that have been asked and there are lots just get ignored .
I guess the NACHI Members the biggest Home inspector group in Canada are being ignored in mass and a very few quiet ones have been included.
I wonder why the non aligned Home inspectors have not been approached more .
As Roy Richards said 140 down now 4,500 to go
Roy Cooke

[Claude Lawrenson]

Actually is it not 4860 to go?