And So It Begins

[rcooke]

Originally Posted by clawrenson

Actually is it not 4860 to go?

I guess so if we think your and Bills figures are correct . So 3.5% in one year at this speed it will take a very long time, 28± years I wonder how many of us can hope to be alive when this is completed?

[Claude Lawrenson]

Not my number. That was the number relaesed by the media. Now that there are approximately 30 examiners in place - things should run faster.

[rwand1]

Who reviews the TIPR inspectors besides you Claude?

Who reviews the appointment of the TIPR inspectors independently of you Claude?

Are background checks made of TIPR inspectors, such as contacting the DPPC in Ontario for complaints filed or for unresolved complaints?

Did you check with the DPPC on the history of some of these players?
Oh I forgot the DPPC has its own conflicts of interest and bias opinions and doesn't play by the established rules. Oh well so much for background checks.

[Claude Lawrenson]

I perform the training and review of the examiners, prior to a recommendation for those that are successful candidates. In several instances the process was co-reviewed by Bill Mullen who also has undergone the training and process, and who performed examiner reviews with me.

The names of the examiners that successfully complete the training and test inspection with peer review are recommended to the national certification authority for their review/consideration and ratification.

Background checks are made on TIPR applicants and examiners, a long with a statutory declaration of their background and the facts presented in their background document. Notarized documents may be required.

I cannot discuss on this forum any issues regarding your claim of outstanding or not, complaints regarding DPPC in Ontario issues. Certainly there is a representative of OAHI on the NCA. That person has a voice to bring forward any issues or concerns. That person is also the key contact on the NCA - who I report to.

Your line of questioning seems to be purposely planting me square in the middle of a mine field. Are you trying to discredit me, the process or one particular examiner or all of the above?

Your assumption that an unresolved complaint equates to a "guilty" verdict seems awfully unfair. I like to call it "guilty without a trial or hearing". Your comments identify for your feelings on the matter, but I feel that verdicts should be made based on all of the facts, and based on documented evidence, not hearsay. Than again you have already flagged that issue before. More importantly this is not a public issue that I will dicuss in further detail here, without personal receipt of substantiated documentation and evidence to prove the facts otherwise. Fairly to to continue to publicly display the issue would possibly put us both in the position for potential claim for defamation. I choose not to go there!

[rcooke]

Originally Posted by clawrenson

Not my number. That was the number relaesed by the media. Now that there are approximately 30 examiners in place - things should run faster.

I might Be mistaken but the first time I saw the Number it was from Bill Mullen and I do believe I have seen it many more Times BY Bill Mullen and others.
I do not recall you ever disputing these figures.
By you now saying they are not your figures I feel you have excepted them in the past .
Like much other information on the Nation Certification it is very poorly handled .
You say they should run faster well if you can get it running at 300% of what it is now then you should be able to get all the exising inspectors through in 9+ years instead of 28.
Sounds good to me , Unfortunatly the Inspection Mills might continue to turn out inspectors faster they can be tested
Roy Cooke

[Claude Lawrenson]

Our goal was to test 100 inspectors from across Canada to get a flavour for all regions and CAHPI members and non-members alike during the Pilot Project period.

The Pilot Project has just ended and we tested 140, well ahead of our goal. We have enough trained examiners in place to examine as many applicants as are necessary when the offer is made to all Canadian Home Inspectors in a few weeks. If there is a need for more examiners to handle all the "inspector mills" than we will deal with the future challenges as they arise.

[rwand1]

Rest assured Claude some are treated differently than others its who you know and what you know and who knows what.

Your assumption that an unresolved complaint equates to a "guilty" verdict seems awfully unfair. I like to call it "guilty without a trial or hearing". Your comments identify for your feelings on the matter, but I feel that verdicts should be made based on all of the facts, and based on documented evidence, not hearsay.

Yup that's a pretty good description of how things work in Oahi from the top down and from the bottom up. Who needs documented evidence? Repeat after me... some are treated differently than others its who you know and what you know and who knows what.

[rrichards2]

An "offer" boy, I can hardly wait.

[Claude Lawrenson]

Documented evidence seems to speak for the facts of the matter - indisputable, hearsay is just that "gossip" maybe true, maybe not! People tend to twist it to suit their own needs.

[rrichards2]

Originally Posted by clawrenson

Our goal was to test 100 inspectors from across Canada to get a flavour for all regions and CAHPI members and non-members alike during the Pilot Project period.

The Pilot Project has just ended and we tested 140, well ahead of our goal. We have enough trained examiners in place to examine as many applicants as are necessary when the offer is made to all Canadian Home Inspectors in a few weeks. If there is a need for more examiners to handle all the "inspector mills" than we will deal with the future challenges as they arise.

Claude,

Any idea on how much it's going to cost?

[rwand1]

Yeah kinda like my treatment and the treatment of others in the OAHI system....some are treated differently than others, its who you know and what you know, and who knows what.

Boy I would love to get my hands on my file from Oahi. God knows whats management has put in there, and what they claim I have done without any proof. Ya know like claiming I was late in responding within 10 days to the DPPC, or like how I have committed conduct unbecoming of a member because I use CHI and or RHI. Ya I guess your right the evidence speaks for itself.

I wonder if Oahi would show me my real file, just like they have told me where head office is and were the financial records are and the minutes that no one has seen contrary to the by-laws, and given the comments they have said in public and private. ...some are treated differently than others, its who you know and what you know, and who knows what.

[rwand1]

Roy R.
Re cost
http://www.nachi.org/forum/attachmen...7&d=1162295900

[rcooke]

Originally Posted by clawrenson

Documented evidence seems to speak for the facts of the matter - indisputable, hearsay is just that "gossip" maybe true, maybe not! People tend to twist it to suit their own needs.

Gee Claude this is a nice post Now can you just give us some of this documented evidence you are talking about.
The information you have given us before I guess is just Gossip.
Lets see we will be doing 100 Home inspections all across Canada a good Balance amount of all inspectors
More gossip we have done 140 inspectors .
More gossip you can be sure Cameron made no money. Now Claude you said we should look for the facts . I would just love to see some of these Facts .
We have been seeing a moving target for almost one year .
We got the facts just over a year ago about how much money was going to be made by all the inspectors who spent much money and time going to whistler . Around it goes .
Roy Cooke

[rrichards2]

Originally Posted by rwand1

Roy R.
Re cost
http://www.nachi.org/forum/attachmen...7&d=1162295900

I guess I would fall under the "other" classification. Interesting how the fee
structure favors CAPHI members. "Others" have to pay 120% more for the same process. I thought this process was supposed to be fair and equitable for all Canadian home inspectors.

Correction: The process is open to all Canadian HI's. However, it appears to be only fair and equitable if you are a CAPHI member. Sorry my mistake.

[rwand1]

Roy R.

They have to fund it somehow. Why not on the backs of those that are not part of the clique?