And So It Begins

[rwand1]

Bill Mullen has made his bed his past speaks to the present situation. Perhaps if he had been intelligent as he likes people to think he is he would not have put pen to paper and made comments that he had no business making in the first place. Just as Bill has no opportunity to post here to defend himself I and others who were canned from the Canuck list have no opportunity to defend ourselves either. Quid pro quo!

Yes I am a member and I am proud of my record, you know and others know what I have done. I don't think its a crime to expose the dirt and seek satisfactory resolutions, but resolutions are not wanted just more of the same. Please don't tell me either about facts, I have a file case full of facts and unanswered questions! What have you done in this regard?

[rrichards2]

Originally Posted by clawrenson

Sorry, "bugmenot" but your theory will not work. Bill Mullen has not been allowed to respond on this forum for more than six months, and he has not even done so on his own forum, yet his name is dragged through the mud every day by Ray & Roy. He has totally ignored their attacks yet they persist, even though Bill has been one of the people who has demanded fairness to NACHI members throughout the Pilot Project. (Even Nick will agree on that)

There has been no denial, its a matter of opinion. I base mine on fact. I rather deal with facts than opinion, until facts prove otherwise. I do not disagree with a forensic audit, I do not disgaree that associations have made some bad decisions - but that is a bigger problem than you or me! That is a membership as a whole problem - so go blame everyone including yourself, because you too are a member.

As someone who is fairly new to all this crap, I believe that this is exactly what Roy and Raymond have been trying to bring out to the membership at OAHI. However, they are always chastised for their efforts and treated as outcasts by those in power at OAHI. Most of OAHI's members seem to be afraid of speaking out against those in power for fear of being black balled.
Roy C. and Raymond at least had the balls to speak out and try to do something about the situation at OAHI.

[rrichards2]

Absolute power.......

[rrichards2]

Funny thing. Even with my 20 + years experience of building and renovating homes and all my other qualifications, I would still need to take a "defect recognition course". What's wrong with this picture?

[George A. H. Luck]

Roy, thank youfor illustrating my point about previous experience. it is called "rape". They are making sure that the system grabs as much money from Canadian Home Inspectors as it can.
Sort of like O.A.H.I.

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by rrichards2

As someone who is fairly new to all this crap, I believe that this is exactly what Roy and Raymond have been trying to bring out to the membership at OAHI. However, they are always chastised for their efforts and treated as outcasts by those in power at OAHI. Most of OAHI's members seem to be afraid of speaking out against those in power for fear of being black balled.
Roy C. and Raymond at least had the balls to speak out and try to do something about the situation at OAHI.

Exactly I like Claude also receive letters and more phone calls about Ray and My posts .
The difference is it is from members of OAHI agreeing with what we say .
The phone calls in particular do not wish to leave a paper trail just in case some how OAHI was to find out and what could happen to them .
They have seen what has happened to others .
I met one of the strong supporters who worked very hard and put in a lot of effort in many directions with OAHI .
He like CXXXXX was treated very badly .
He left the Home Inspection Industry and went to work for XXXX XXXXX and with his back ground and exceptional Knowledge of Home Inspection and Construction has moved up the ladder and is in a high management position.
He is one of many great people who have got fed up with the OAHI BOD.
Unfortunately this still continues to happen.
We can not keep losing the younger intelegant personal and hope to have a good Canadian Association .
I am led to believe another possibly more will not be renewing their membership next year.
This is not idle talk or surmising (These are the facts ) Early January will show exactly what I have said.
Is there a fix yes and is it possible yes . How for a large change of the BOD and the immediate change of attitude give the members the information they have been denied ,listen to the membership .
This association should be for the members by the members not the group who wish to keep it all to them selves .
New blood new ideas and help from the existing BOD Not a dictatorship.
Communicate with all Home inspectors Non association members NACHI and The BC association .
Complete truth and communication with every one or this infighting will never end.
Claude is incorrect about Bill Mullen I have always posted any thing he has asked to be posted on the NACHI site as written and never added my opinions to his post.
If you go back I have received static from others for doing this .
I have only ever asked for fair play .
I wonder why Bill has not returned the Privilege that I did for him and told the CAHPI members that NACHI ( through me ) has offered for all CAHPI members to come to the NACHI Toronto Conference and that OAHI & CAHPI have been offered a free both at the NACHI Conference in MAY.
Did You hear the pin drop nothing but silence.

Claude states that Bill Mullen
( Originally Posted by clawrenson
Sorry, "bugmenot" but your theory will not work. Bill Mullen has not been allowed to respond on this forum for more than six months, and he has not even done so on his own forum, yet his name is dragged through the mud every day by Ray & Roy. He has totally ignored their attacks yet they persist, even though Bill has been one of the people who has demanded fairness to NACHI members throughout the Pilot Project ) .I have posted exactly what Bill Mullen has said . this is not an attack .
If Bill Mullen wishes he had not said the things he did that I have posted then a simple
" I am sorry for saying these things about Ray and Roy"

and they will forgotten immediately by me and others .
I also do not think Bill has been told he is not allowed to respond .
I would love to see this information .
This BB is the most open BB I know of and very very few have ever been stopped from voicing their openions .
I expect Dave Bottoms will have much to say he just can not stay away from the NACHI bb

Roy Cooke

[bugmenot]

Originally Posted by clawrenson

Sorry, "bugmenot" but your theory will not work. Bill Mullen has not been allowed to respond on this forum for more than six months, and he has not even done so on his own forum, yet his name is dragged through the mud every day by Ray & Roy. He has totally ignored their attacks yet they persist, even though Bill has been one of the people who has demanded fairness to NACHI members throughout the Pilot Project. (Even Nick will agree on that)

There has been no denial, its a matter of opinion. I base mine on fact. I rather deal with facts than opinion, until facts prove otherwise. I do not disagree with a forensic audit, I do not disgaree that associations have made some bad decisions - but that is a bigger problem than you or me! That is a membership as a whole problem - so go blame everyone including yourself, because you too are a member.

Claude,
Yes, it is a shame what Mr Mullen has had to endure on this public forum. I'm sure he has a solid libel case against Ray and Roy if he chose to pursue it. At least we know that the secret letter Roy is trying to keep quiet cannot be about Mr Mullen, because it if were, Roy and Ray would have happily posted it here and wasted the next two months attacking the guy.
But just because they will not leave Mr Mullen alone does not mean that you should continue to feed your attackers. If everyone were to just stop replying anything they say that includes derogatory remarks, they would eventually run out of steam.
With Ray, what troubles me the most is that although he complains about his Canadian association every day, he still keeps a membership with them. It just does not make sense. And Roy just won't shut up about those associations at all. For someone who thinks NACHI is so great, he sure does like to talk about OAHI and CAHPI. I think he secretly wishes he could rejoin those associations.

Regards

[bugmenot]

Originally Posted by rrichards2

As someone who is fairly new to all this crap, I believe that this is exactly what Roy and Raymond have been trying to bring out to the membership at OAHI. However, they are always chastised for their efforts and treated as outcasts by those in power at OAHI. Most of OAHI's members seem to be afraid of speaking out against those in power for fear of being black balled.
Roy C. and Raymond at least had the balls to speak out and try to do something about the situation at OAHI.

Roy R.,
Have you witnessed what happens to anyone who questions anything about how NACHI does things? Bring up one thing about NACHI and your name will be destroyed on this forum for days to come. If you wish to speak about being chastized and black balled, you need not look further than right here.

Out of curiosity, what exactly do you know about the "situation" inside OAHI that you haven't heard from Ray and Roy? If everything you know is based on a single source filled with bitterness and hatred, then would it not be a good idea to question the reliability of that source?

Regards

[George A. H. Luck]

C.F.I.H.I. has several reliable sources inside O.A.H.I. and they confirm just about everything that has been posted here.
Ray and Roy can defend themselves but I thought you should know. Where there's smoke there's fire.

[bugmenot]

gluck,
As a member, you are "inside" NACHI, right? But do you know how Nick Gromicko actually operates his assocaition? No offence, but I have to wonder if those sources are actually "inside" the OAHI or if they are just members spreading rumors like they do on this forum. Is there even one person on this forum who is on an OAHI committee or their Board?

Don't get me wrong, if the OAHI has been lax in getting out its financial statements, then they should be doing something to correct that.

On that topic, when was the last time NACHI posted a financial statement? And NACHI Canada has so far had two executive directors walk away from their position, yet no one seems at all concerned about why that is. Personally, I don't care, but you'd think the Canadian members would be as curious about why NACHI Canada execs keep quitting without reason as they are about the finiancial numbers of a competing association, no? After all, where there is smoke there is fire, right?

You are a member of NACHI, right? Aren't you curious about what Nick does with your money or what happened to those Canadian execs?

Regards

[George A. H. Luck]

Honestly 'Dave', I couldn't care less. N.A.C.H.I. continues to grow with a success that O.A.H.I. / C.A.P.H.I. can only dream about. What ever Nick is doing with the money it seems to be working!

As far as having two E.D.'s walk away, it takes a special person to shoulder that kind of responsibility. The down side of the rapid growth of N.A.C.H.I. in Canada is that the organization has become so big that it is almost a full time job. That, of course, is why O.A.H.I. / C.A.P.H.I. can be run by volunteers. On that same note, Larry has taken on a huge job and we all wish him the best and appreciate the efforts he is making for all of us.

The C.F.I.H.I. contacts inside O.A.H.I. must be pretty high up the ladder as their information is usually pretty accurate.

[rwand1]

Roy R. and George

As we all know, several years ago Roy found himself in the gunsight of a handful of myopic, vexhatious zealots, who abused the by-laws for purely vindictive reasons, costing Oahi members approximately $30K!
As a result of that premeditated action Roy filed an appeal. The findings of that appeal found that OAHI and those handful of players had overstepped the by-laws, they admitted they overstepped the by-laws, as a result the appeal panel findings sided with Roy and further stated that Oahi should ensure compliance with the by-laws! What do we have happening today? We have the BOD of OAHI knowingly breaking the by-laws by denying the members the right to information they have right to know. That information is the minutes of executive minutes and the financial information. These are by-laws which are meant to ensure accountability and good governance. There are also large sums of money being spent by Oahi in contravention of the by-laws. NO ONE has seen the financial statements for over a year now, and no one knows what executive decisions are being made because NO ONE has seen the minutes from the BOD meetings!

We have a body that condones threats, abuse of process, abuse of by-laws, spreading of falsities, conspiracy to deny due process and conspiracy to stiffle information and withold information. All this committed by a few elected officials who have many conflicts, special interests and malfeasance, back up by a handful of members who side with those in power. Many members in OAHI haven't got a clue, or have been informed by OAHI of critical decisions. The membership at large is only told what they are told by the Directors or what they read in a newsletter.

OAHI has had financial irregularities in the past with the Treasurer absconding with $60K! That was not properly investigated as the police were never contacted. It is very concerning to see the deliberate attempt to hide yet again the financial info yet again. Where is the money and what is it being spent on?

What is even more of a concern is the fact OAHI in an attempt to divert attention and accountability for its own gross negligence has attempted to paint me (black ball) me with the help from those in CAHPI and OAHI.
The evidence shows that I am not a member who is in breach of any by-laws, nor have I committed any breaches concern conduct unbecoming of a member nor is there any proof I am a member who is being unprofessional. What OAHI does concern and should be doing something about are members and directors who can utter threats with the blessing of OAHI unabated, unchecked without fear of any disciplinary action.

There is also an issue how the OAHI CAFE forum administrator has been instructed to take action by the PR Committee beyond the rules to suspend me repeatedly her name is Lynda Lalich who is a former employee of one of the former directors of Oahi. Ms Lalich claims she knows the home inspection business and as such as an employee of OAHI knows all about the internal workings and the politics. I guess that is why OAHI pays her over $8K to do nothing but pretend she is doing something for the money. Ms. Lalich is the executioner for what OAHI directs her to do. When queried about Ms. Lalichs activities and the fees being paid to her OAHI remains silent. Ms. Lalich is being paid by members money and has no independence whatsoever from interference.

So the question remains, why is OAHI able to get away with its actions and statements, and why are members not concerned about good governace and accountability both fiscally, and answerability?

Given the current state of affairs I am not the person who needs to be placed under the microscope. Full Audit of OAHI and CAHPI is what is needed and I hope OAHI has kept full records, and other required info to be able to prove its acted in the best interest of all members. Somehow I doubt it. Last time they tried to keep minutes of the meetings, they hired a stenographer who attended the BOD minutes. But the stenographer disappeared with the records, never to be found again! How convenient!

It is also a well known fact those OAHI members who speak out are black balled. There have been fines imposed and collected contrary to the by-laws, with no accountability whatsoever. The last person who was fined never did receive the courtesy of a reply from OAHI, not even from the Association lawyer who was queried. Nice! Where is that money, why was there no reply? One can only wonder that OAHI got caught doing something its not permitted to do.

[rwand1]

Bug-me-not

With Ray, what troubles me the most is that although he complains about his Canadian association every day, he still keeps a membership with them.

This sort of statement is often used by people who can't offer reasonable or intelligent thought.
Remember its my right to be a member. I am a member is good standing.

[rwand1]

I think Bug-me-not sent the secret letter. Except he didn't do his homework!

[Rob A. Parker]

Ray I think you are right about who sent the letter and it comes as no surprise.