And So It Begins

[bugmenot]

Originally Posted by gluck

Honestly 'Dave', I couldn't care less. N.A.C.H.I. continues to grow with a success that O.A.H.I. / C.A.P.H.I. can only dream about. What ever Nick is doing with the money it seems to be working!

As far as having two E.D.'s walk away, it takes a special person to shoulder that kind of responsibility. The down side of the rapid growth of N.A.C.H.I. in Canada is that the organization has become so big that it is almost a full time job. That, of course, is why O.A.H.I. / C.A.P.H.I. can be run by volunteers. On that same note, Larry has taken on a huge job and we all wish him the best and appreciate the efforts he is making for all of us.

The C.F.I.H.I. contacts inside O.A.H.I. must be pretty high up the ladder as their information is usually pretty accurate.

glick,
If you don't care how your own associaton operates (which of course is your perogative), then why on earth would you care about how another association operates?

Oh, by the way, exactly how would you know if the information you are getting from your OAHI insiders is "pretty accurate?"

Regards,
B. Menot, AKA "Dave"

[bugmenot]

Originally Posted by rwand1

Roy R. and George

As we all know, several years ago Roy found himself in the gunsight of a handful of myopic, vexhatious zealots, who abused the by-laws for purely vindictive reasons, costing Oahi members approximately $30K!.........
........It is also a well known fact those OAHI members who speak out are black balled. There have been fines imposed and collected contrary to the by-laws, with no accountability whatsoever. The last person who was fined never did receive the courtesy of a reply from OAHI, not even from the Association lawyer who was queried. Nice! Where is that money, why was there no reply? One can only wonder that OAHI got caught doing something its not permitted to do.

Yet, with all that, you still remain a member. One can't help but question how much of your story is simply embellishment build on bitterness. After all, no one in their right mind woulod keep renewing their membership in an association that is run the way you'd have us believe, right? Yet, here you are.

Regards,
B. Menot AKA "Dave"

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Originally Posted by rparker

Ray I think you are right about who sent the letter and it comes as no surprise.

Rob,
Followers are rarely surprised by their master's proclamations.

By the way, why is it you too maintain your membership with OAHI?

Regards,
B. Menot AKA "Dave"

[rwand1]

Bug me not

Why don't you redirect your questions to OAHI and ask why they have failed the membership by breaking the by-laws. Why are they breaking the by-laws and the Corporations Act? You along with other members need to ask your directors those questions, along with questions about threats and intimidation. Those concerns are of a very serious nature and its amazing you would eagerly overlook such concerns on trivial matters that have no relation to the breach of by-laws and corporation act and Pr 158. Or why OAHI has failed to respond to registered letters as has the Oahi lawyer, and why fines have been imposed without due process or any response from Oahi?

[bugmenot]

I'm not a member, but if I were, I'd be curious too. However, if I had your bad experiences with my own association, I'd have quit long ago.

B. Menot AKA "Dave"

[rwand1]

Ya know you don't really have much to say do you? Ignorance is bliss.

Btw Rob has every right to be a member too. Just like me. Why would we quit when we are members and have rights? You are too simplistic.

Now lets focus on the concerns about OAHI-CAHPI, the financial issues, the breach of several by-laws, the lack of action by the DPPC who has members serving as committee members with questionable backgrounds, influence and actions.

[George A. H. Luck]

Actually bugmenot A.K.A. "Dave" it is quite simple. I am more concerned with the workings of O.A.H.I. / C.A.P.H.I. because, unlike N.A.C.H.I. they are having a deleterious effect on my business and the entire home inspection industry.

( "A.K.A. "Dave" because of the use of similar sentence structure and typos as appeared in the posts of that other "Dave" which can be searched in the archives. If I am wrong then please accept my condolences.)

[bugmenot]

Originally Posted by rwand1

Ya know you don't really have much to say do you? Ignorance is bliss.

Btw Rob has every right to be a member too. Just like me. Why would we quit when we are members and have rights? You are too simplistic.

Now lets focus on the concerns about OAHI-CAHPI, the financial issues, the breach of several by-laws, the lack of action by the DPPC who has members serving as committee members with questionable backgrounds, influence and actions.

Ray,
I have lots to say, but out of respect for this forum choose not to badmouth another association here. It's unprofessional and frankly has nothing to do with NACHI.
As for fucusing on the concerns about OAHI and CAHPI, how exactly does that affect the members of NACHI? It doesn't. You are just using this forum as a anti-OAHI-CAHPI bitchfest. If you want to ***** about OAHI-CAHPI, go to the OAHI forum and do it there.
You and Rob are members of NACHI yet neither of you ever question NACHI's financials, or lack thereof, or why the Canadian execs walked away. It's odd that you don't use NACHI's forum to question the questionable things about NACHI, but you'll use it to attack OAHI-CAHPI.

Regards

[bugmenot]

Originally Posted by gluck

Actually bugmenot A.K.A. "Dave" it is quite simple. I am more concerned with the workings of O.A.H.I. / C.A.P.H.I. because, unlike N.A.C.H.I. they are having a deleterious effect on my business and the entire home inspection industry.

How so?

[rwand1]

Bug me not.

Why would I post on the OAHI CAFE when I have been suspended repeatedly on trumped up charges by Gerry Quackenbush, Lynda Lalick and Andrew Bennett?

Why would I be suspended when others have breached the rules and remain unsuspended?

Why would Terry Carson bury complaints a former President of Oahi?

Why is a former President on the DPPC when its a know fact he conducted himself in a manner unbecoming a member by throwing books across the room at a director? Now he sits on the DPPC judging others?

Why would directors lift posts from the Canuck list to black ball members?

Why is Oahi hiding and stiffling members rights to know about the finances.

We really must address the irregularities of a body which has been granted special legislation and supposedly is self regulating.

Why are members allowed to continue as members when those members have uttered threats of violence?

These issues are far more serious in nature than your attempt to divert attention.

[George A. H. Luck]

Apparently you are unaware of the very flawed "national" that is controlled by O.A.H.I. / C.A.P.H.I. There are, of course, numerous other instances of how these orgs. have affected the industry in a negative way but the "Natiional" is a good place to start.

[rwand1]

Here is proof OAHI member site is not up to date. Just look at the dates!

Bug me not what do you have to say to the lack of current info?

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[bugmenot]

Originally Posted by rwand1

Here is proof OAHI member site is not up to date. Just look at the dates!
Bug me not what do you have to say to the lack of current info?

Pretty much what I already said a couple of posts ago. Let me quote myself: "Don't get me wrong, if the OAHI has been lax in getting out its financial statements, then they should be doing something to correct that."

I also feel the same way about NACHI's financial statements. How about you?

Regards

[bugmenot]

Originally Posted by rwand1

Bug me not.

Why would I post on the OAHI CAFE when I have been suspended repeatedly on trumped up charges by Gerry Quackenbush, Lynda Lalick and Andrew Bennett?

Why would I be suspended when others have breached the rules and remain unsuspended?

Why would Terry Carson bury complaints a former President of Oahi?

Why is a former President on the DPPC when its a know fact he conducted himself in a manner unbecoming a member by throwing books across the room at a director? Now he sits on the DPPC judging others?

Why would directors lift posts from the Canuck list to black ball members?

Why is Oahi hiding and stiffling members rights to know about the finances.

We really must address the irregularities of a body which has been granted special legislation and supposedly is self regulating.

Why are members allowed to continue as members when those members have uttered threats of violence?

These issues are far more serious in nature than your attempt to divert attention.

I can't answer those questions, obviously, except to say you should quit OAHI immediately.

One question you did ask was: "Why would I post on the OAHI CAFE when I have been suspended repeatedly on trumped up charges by Gerry Quackenbush, Lynda Lalick and Andrew Bennett?"

I thought the reason was you lifted posts from their private forum and posted it here on a public forum. That's hardly "trumped up." If you did that in my association, which also has a private members forum, you'd be removed from it also.

You also asked: "Why is Oahi hiding and stiffling members rights to know about the finances."

When was the last time you saw NACHI's financials? Why are you not up in arms over the lack of information coming from NACHI?

Regards

[bugmenot]

Originally Posted by gluck

Apparently you are unaware of the very flawed "national" that is controlled by O.A.H.I. / C.A.P.H.I. There are, of course, numerous other instances of how these orgs. have affected the industry in a negative way but the "Natiional" is a good place to start.

gluck
I am very aware of all the negative "information" being posted on this forum. I am also aware of that post by a Canadian inspector who actually went through the national certification [process and found it very fair and professional, and had not a bad word to say about it. So I guess you can believe what you read from people who haven't had any real experience with the national certification thing or those who have been through it. It's up to you.

Why don't you sign up for their national certification and see how it goes for yourself? Maybe you'd be surprised.

Regards
"B. Menot, aka "Dave"