And So It Begins

[rwand1]

I thought the reason was you lifted posts from their private forum and posted it here on a public forum. That's hardly "trumped up." If you did that in my association, which also has a private members forum, you'd be removed from it also.

Well that is strange considering the charges don't even have to do with reposting info. The charges as stated have to deal with posting info on the CAFE. I would be pleased to point those rules out and you can see what I am talking about. As you can well appreciate there is nothing in the rules stating its a crime or sin, to repost info. As a matter of fact if you look at the rules they are not applied equally.

You know ..you must really do better at making logical well informed arguements.

Why has the DPPC chair both past and present failed to deal with complaints lodged?

Why don't you tell us a little about yourself? I don't think you will.

As to Nachi financial info I have no complaints about that info, nor do others so your concern or arguement is moot. If I did you can be sure I would be asking as others would be. Unlike Oahi we don't stiffle discussion, or questions.

Btw I see posts from the Nachi board have been posted on the Canuck list.

[rwand1]

How do we know anything is fair with Certification when its not audited and is overseen by the clique? The clique who appoints its friends that are part and parcel of the problem? Why would two large inspection companies donate money, only to be appointed to very high positions within the organization?

Please stay focused lets dicuss the real issues here, the issues of a self regulating body that has a poor track record when it comes to ethical treatment of the membership.

[bugmenot]

Originally Posted by rwand1

Well that is strange considering the charges don't even have to do with reposting info. The charges as stated have to deal with posting erroneous info on the CAFE. As you can well appreciate there is nothing in the rules stating its a crime or sin, to repost info. As a matter of fact if you look at the rules they are not applied equally.

You know ..you must really do better at making logical well informed arguements.

Why has the DPPC chair both past and present failed to deal with complaints lodged?

Why don't you tell us a little about yourself? I don't think you will.

As to Nachi financial info I have no complaints about that info, nor do others so your concern or arguement is moot. If I did you can be sure I would be asking as others would be. Unlike Oahi we don't stiffle discussion, or questions.

Btw I see posts from the Nachi board have been posted on the Canuck list.

Ray,
Come on, it's plain to see that you place the OAHI under a microscope while ignoring the questionable practices of NACHI. That was my point and I've made it. Lets move on.

Again, you are asking question about DPPC and I have no answers. DPPC does not fill me in on their daily actions like they obviously do you.

I don't follow your point about the "canuck list."

Regards

[rwand1]

Bug Me Not

I want to also thank you for helping me and others expose what is a very big concern within OAHI-CAHPI.

[rwand1]

I have told you I have no problems with Nachi. They treat me like a member should be treated. But you wouldn't know what good ethical treatment is would you?

Are you a member of Oahi? I don't think you are.

Even Ashi of which I am a member treats me well. Quick responses too! OAHI could take a page out of ASHI and Nachi book on treatment and response to members queries.

You assume I have not been given Nachi financial info. YOu make many assumptions.

[bugmenot]

Originally Posted by rwand1

How do we know anything is fair with Certification when its not audited and is overseen by the clique? The clique who appoints its friends that are part and parcel of the problem? Why would two large inspection companies donate money, only to be appointed to very high positions within the organization?

Please stay focused lets dicuss the real issues here, the issues of a self regulating body that has a poor track record when it comes to ethical treatment of the membership.

How do we know anything is not fair with certification? the only "evidence" is what you post here and you are not in the loop whatsoever, right?
I don't know about the large inspection companies, but it sounds like you don't either. Insinuation does not equal fact. At least not in the U.S.
Is that the real issue, what some other association does? Is that what keeps NACHI members up at night?

Regards

[bugmenot]

Originally Posted by rwand1

Bug Me Not

I want to also thank you for helping me and others expose what is a very big concern within OAHI-CAHPI.

You are very welcome. Now that you've "exposed" it, lets drop it and move on with NACHI business.

Regards

[rwand1]

Boy I haven't had so much fun since my pet pig ate my little sister.

For your edification and delectation!

[rwand1]

That is strange I have information that payments were made in the several thousands of dollars to CAHPI by P2P and Carson Dunlop. A third franchise was asked but declined.

Sorry we are here to talk about the short comings of OAHI-CAHPI. So continue with denials of problems.

[George A. H. Luck]

Ok, bugmenot, I'll put this in a bigger font and type more slowly so that you can 'get it' ;

N.A.C.H.I. IS NOT UNDER THE MICROSCOPE BECAUSE IT IS A POSITIVE AND SUCCESSFUL FORCE IN THE INDUSTRY. WHY FIX IT IF IT AIN'T BROKE?

Now, as you say, let's move on ( I think that is how you avoided all of Ray's very interesting questions about O.A.H.I.)

[bugmenot]

Originally Posted by rwand1

I have told you I have no problems with Nachi. They treat me like a member should be treated. But you wouldn't know what good ethical treatment is would you?

Are you a member of Oahi? I don't think you are.

Even Ashi of which I am a member treats me well. Quick responses too! OAHI could take a page out of ASHI and Nachi book on treatment and response to members queries.

You assume I have not been given Nachi financial info. YOu make many assumptions.

Of course you don't have problems with NACHI. If you did, you'd never say a peep about it here anyway. No one would. It would result in a swift and immediate attack on that person.
I am glad to hear you are happy with NACHI and ASHI. Since you are a member of two associations that make you happy, why do you maintain a membership with one that treats you so poorly? Just quit and move on.

Regards

[rwand1]

What don't you get? Are you thick? I am a member and have been since 1991. I am a member in good standing. I put a lot of time and effort into OAHI over the years which is more than I can say for you.

I will remain a member whether you like it or not and there is nothing you can do! Why aren't you a member?

[rwand1]

BTW

Just to clear up confusion and to show you don't have any idea what you are talking about.... Where below does it say that reposting from the Oahi forum to any other forum is improper or against the rules? It doesn't! It also states that OAHI is not responsible for ensuring that info doesn't get reposted or sent on. Now if you want to discuss the finer details of laws, I am willing to discuss that.

OAHI forum rules as dictated by Gerry Quackenbush. Mr. Quackenbush seems incapable of disputing his rules and hides his lack of ability to act according to his own rules.

Strange how these rules were changed after my suspension. As to intellectual property that is amusing. There is nothing of intellectual nature on the CAFE because everyone is afraid to discuss any concerns because of fear of reprisal by suspension.

7.10 Policy: Membership Forums (technical and general) Required Protocol


1. Two information forums will be provided for the member’s use. The Forums will allow members to discuss technical information and general information relating to the association or the operation of a home inspection business. To provide this service, OAHI requires that each member; Student, Applicant, Associate, RHI or Retired agrees to be bound by the rules and terms listed below.


2. The OAHI Membership Forums are a membership privilege (not a right) extended to every individual in the OAHI membership who is in good standing.

a) The purpose of the OAHI Membership Forum is strictly for the education of its participants (“Users”) in the technical aspects of the home inspection profession along with the sharing of information and personal experiences directly related to inspection issues.

b) The purpose of the Forum shall be to foster communication among OAHI members regarding the home inspection profession and the Association business.

c) Opinions expressed on the Forums are those of the authors and do not necessarily reflect the official position of OAHI or its Directors.

d) OAHI assumes no legal responsibility for the opinions or statements of the OAHI Forum Users.

e) OAHI does not officially respond to issues raised on the Forums. If you have an issue, concern or complaint regarding an OAHI member, policy, BOD or committee decision you should follow the proper procedures laid out in the OAHI bylaws.

f) All discussions will consist of appropriate language and shall not be slanderous, degrading or mean in spirit.

g) A select committee of volunteer OAHI members shall monitor the Forums. Disregard for the Forum rules will result in immediate suspension of the Forum privileges

h) BEWARE! OAHI does not promote the Forum to non members, but, as with any on line forum, your messages are potentially accessible by the public.


3. Access to the forums is limited to the OAHI MEMBERS in good standing who agree to abide by the following forum Rules for Users Agreement:

a) All subject matter is restricted to real estate inspections and related issues.

b) Respect other Users on the OAHI Membership Forum. You may express yourself, but not to injure harm or damage others. Users are expected to exercise professionalism, common sense and courtesy in the message transmitted over the OAHI Forums.

c) OAHI Membership Forums shall not be used to libel, slander, defame or disparage a member or candidate of OAHI or any other person, company or organization.

d) Anonymous posts are not permitted on the OAHI Membership Forums. All postings must include the member’s name.

e) Posts advertising or promoting any product or service or inspector membership other than OAHI directly or indirectly, are not permitted on the OAHI Forums, and will be removed promptly. ( CAHPI, ASHI discussions are excluded from this rule)

f) Use of the OAHI forum the distribution of unwanted email (spamming) is prohibited.

g) Use of the OAHI Forum for illegal activities is prohibited, including illegal drugs, gambling, pornography, prostitution, child pornography, robbery, spreading computer viruses, entering private computer discussion boards, soft wear infringement, trafficking in credit card codes, or other crimes.

h) The OAHI Forum is not to be used to communicate with others about prices, terms of service or other competitive information as this is a violation of the anti-trust laws. The OAHI Membership Forums constitutes an ongoing “meeting” of participants. Such meeting may involve competitors. The same rules against illegal agreements in restraint of trade that apply at members meetings apply to OAHI Forum communications.

i) Forum communication may not be down loaded without the express consent of the Forum Administrator. Users should be both fully informed about antitrust law regarding communication and agreements among competitors, and act in strict conformity with those rules.

j) The OAHI Membership Forums may not be used to violate and rules of membership in OAHI, the OAHI bylaws, or the OAHI code of conduct. The OAHI code of conduct rules apply to all Users of the Forum.

k) Do not upload or distribute files subject to trademark or copyright, or other proprietary rights except with the expressed consent of the owners of the rights.

l) OAHI Membership Forums are a benefit for OAHI membership only. Non-members are not permitted on the OAHI Membership Forums unless special permission is granted by OAHI

m) OAHI reserves the right without prior notice to modify or change these rules as it determines from time to time in the best interests of OAHI.

n) Posted items may be published in the OAHI news letter or the CAHPI’s “The Canadian Home Inspector” if the topic is deemed to be of interest to the general membership. The name of the person posting the information will not be published without their permission.

o) In accordance with the OAHI “Code of Conduct”, an inspector shall make every effort to uphold, maintain, and improve the professional integrity, reputation and practice of the home inspection profession. He or she will report such relevant information, including violations of this code by other members to the Association for possible remedial action.

p) Information posted to the OAHI Membership Forum becomes the intellectual property of the OAHI therefore, copying, cutting and/or distribution of Forum content in any form is strictly prohibited.

q) Forwarding or providing access in any form to the OAHI Forum or a link which provides access to the forum or the OAHI member’s site is not permitted.

Any violation to the Café (Forum) rules, or posts that in the opinion of the Cafe Monitor are improper will result in the immediate suspension from the Cafe. First offence will be 30 days, second offence will be 90 days, and all subsequent offences will be 1 year.

[bugmenot]

Originally Posted by gluck

Ok, bugmenot, I'll put this in a bigger font and type more slowly so that you can 'get it' ;

N.A.C.H.I. IS NOT UNDER THE MICROSCOPE BECAUSE IT IS A POSITIVE AND SUCCESSFUL FORCE IN THE INDUSTRY. WHY FIX IT IF IT AIN'T BROKE?

Now, as you say, let's move on ( I think that is how you avoided all of Ray's very interesting questions about O.A.H.I.)

gluck,
That's an interesting statement. Thanks for the big font and all caps. Really helped to clear things up. What is odd, though, is that in my experience there is no association that does not jhave its fair share of problems and issues.... except NACHI of course. And you are right. If you can't or don't want to see the problems, then there's nothing to fix.

With Rays questions, I wasn't avoiding them, I was only being honest in that I don't have the answers to them.

Regards
B. Menot, "Dave"

[bugmenot]

Originally Posted by rwand1

What don't you get? Are you thick? I am a member and have been since 1991. I am a member in good standing. I put a lot of time and effort into OAHI over the years which is more than I can say for you.

I will remain a member whether you like it or not and there is nothing you can do! Why aren't you a member?

Come come now, check your temper. No need to be nasty.

I know you are a member, you keep saying that. My question is, why?

Regards