Another National Certification Secret

[rwand1]

John,

Its all about numbers. Insufficient interest or lack of adequate participants equalls failure.

In addition to certification fees, and lack of compliance with CAN P9 because the whole process has not been audited, I also understand from some quarters that E&O insurance will be mandatory to be Nationally Certified. It is in the stars, so to speak.

John,

I recently rec'd a letter (actually several) from the DPPC accusing me of being in breach supposedly of the one of the rules, but there was not any substantiating evidence to support the allegation. Allegations have to be proven and substantiated. You cannot make allegations and expect anyone to reply and mount a defence without knowing the facts or who is accusing you? Anybody can make an allegation, its another to prove it with evidence. No evidence no case.

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by rwand1

Claude

Sorry I have to agree with Roy. Things are not as they appear within the DPPC. Anyone being investigated or accused of doing something improper within OAHI through the DPPC or by other directors would be well advised to know what your rights are.

Also I understand that the next group to be Nationally Certified if CAHPI members will only be charged $500 and non CAHPI members will be charged $1,000. Why the huge descrepency in fees?

At least Claude has the courtesy to voice his thoughts and openions here on the NACHI site no other CAHPI director has done this .

Thanks Claude even when we do not agree I think you are the greatest.

Could it be because change of Government cut of the money?

$500:00 for one group and $1,000:00 for another this sure sounds like they want you to join CAHPI/OAHI as this would be cheaper .
I wonder what happend to the olive branch and Fair play for all .
Looks to me like a one way street NACHI gives CAHPI a free Booth and NACHI gives CAHPI members rates at the NACHI conference .
Strange still how CAHPI has not told their members what NACHI has offered .

NACHI sure is the one for me . Roy Cooke

[rwand1]

John

Fine money collected within OAHI is remitted to OAHI. I have not seen any accounting for this money. I also believe fines are imposed under the questionable title of "Administrative Fee".

If misuse of RHI occurrs OAHI can take the party to court and seek a maximum fine of $5K. Upon conviction the amount imposed by the court is collected and it goes to the Crown (government) OAHI does not see one cent. OAHI bares the cost of the action. Last time this happened a former member continued to use RHI. OAHI was not going to act on it. It took the former DPPC Chair to lay a private complaint, only then did OAHI want to get involved. In the end the respondent was fined $1500! It cost OAHI at least $25K to persue the action fwiw.

[rwand1]

John,

To answer your question no ASHI does not receive any money from fine collection that OAHI may collect.

By the way as a OAHI RHI they can join ASHI as a full ASHI member, no exams, no questions, just send the money and do the educational requirements. Nothing more. But OAHI will not reciprocate with OAHI. In other words a full ASHI member cannot become a RHI without going through the OAHI hoop(s).

[John Bowman]

Originally Posted by rwand1

John

Fine money collected within OAHI is remitted to OAHI. I have not seen any accounting for this money. I also believe fines are imposed under the questionable title of "Administrative Fee".

If misuse of RHI occurrs OAHI can take the party to court and seek a maximum fine of $5K. Upon conviction the amount imposed by the court is collected and it goes to the Crown (government) OAHI does not see one cent. OAHI bares the cost of the action. Last time this happened a former member continued to use RHI. OAHI was not going to act on it. It took the former DPPC Chair to lay a private complaint, only then did OAHI want to get involved. In the end the respondent was fined $1500! It cost OAHI at least $25K to persue the action fwiw.

Who fined him the $1,500.00? The Crown or OAHI. I'm talking about these fines that are levied out by OAHI/CAHPI. You know the one you guys talked about, the student candidate doing home inspections under another associations banner or something to that.

[rwand1]

John

The Provincial courts fined the ex member for using RHI. In the case of the Student who was fined or penalized, or charged an administrative fee of $150 plus tax that money went into the coffers of OAHI and to no one else.

To this date to my knowledge that student has not had the courtesy of reply either from OAHI or the Association lawyer!

[John Bowman]

Originally Posted by rwand1

John

The Provincial courts fined the ex member for using RHI. In the case of the Student who was fined or penalized, or charged an administrative fee of $150 plus tax that money went into the coffers of OAHI and to no one else.

To this date to my knowledge that student has not had the courtesy of reply either from OAHI or the Association lawyer!

Interesting. Is that student a NACHI Member. If not have him contact me. I'll see what I can do to get him a NACHI membership. We will discount the amount he was fined or maybe even better give him a free years membership.

[rwand1]

John,

That is very kind of you. I believe the person in question is a NACHI member and became one after the mistreatment he was exposed to from the OAHI director.

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by rwand1

John

Fine money collected within OAHI is remitted to OAHI. I have not seen any accounting for this money. I also believe fines are imposed under the questionable title of "Administrative Fee".

If misuse of RHI occurrs OAHI can take the party to court and seek a maximum fine of $5K. Upon conviction the amount imposed by the court is collected and it goes to the Crown (government) OAHI does not see one cent. OAHI bares the cost of the action. Last time this happened a former member continued to use RHI. OAHI was not going to act on it. It took the former DPPC Chair to lay a private complaint, only then did OAHI want to get involved. In the end the respondent was fined $1500! It cost OAHI at least $25K to persue the action fwiw.

This is very interesting I wonder did OAHI add the GST to the fine I wonder . Again NACHI come to the front John said he would see about getting a NACHI Credit for OAHI fines . Some how NACHI always comes out front and centre as the greatest Thanks John and thank NACHI .
Roy Cooke ............... A HAPPY NACHI MEMBER

[John Bowman]

Here is a deal for anyone in Canada that is not a member of NACHI. If you feel that you have been wronged by OAHI/CAHPI send me an email outlining the details and the amount of the fine they imposed. In turn (Unless you were fined for murder or something) I will see what I can do in getting you a membership in NACHI minus the fines or better.

[rwand1]

John

This is one of several complaints I am up against. It sure is strange because the by-laws quoted don't spell out specifically any discipline measures for this supposed breach. It is also not against the rules to be a Nachi member and inspecting while being a Retired RHI in OAHI. I am also permitted to use RHI because the government legislation grants that right, and anyone in the Registry of OAHI is Registered.

I will no doubt stir the rath of OAHI and probably get in trouble for posting this, but I am trying to demonstrate the ability of OAHI to stretch and break the by-law and the rules of conduct just as they did with Mr. Cooke Sr.

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by rwand1

John

This is one of several I am up against. It sure is strange because the by-laws quoted don't spell out specifically any discipline measures for this supposed breach.
It is also not against the rules to be a Nachi member and inspecting while being a Retired RHI. I am also permitted to use RHI because the government legislation grants that right, and anyone in the Registry of OAHI is Registered.

I probably get in trouble for posting this but I am trying to demonstrate the ability of OAHI to stretch and break the rules of conduct just as they did with Mr. Cooke Sr.

Let me guess the rules say you must reply to OAHI .
I am led to believe that you did .
Now tell me has it been more the 10 days and have they replied to you .
If not I would have to think they have violated the rules they set up and If so they should loose the case by default .
Not fair in the least I had to fight them in their appeal court I won but they spent about $30,000:00 ± of the members money fighting me .
Then I had to sue them to get some of the money I spent fighting them .
I am led to believe they have never told the OAHI membership about this.
Roy Cooke

[rwand1]

Roy

No I have not heard back from OAHI. I sent in a cheque for $300 to cover the cost of an Appeal. I had lodged a complaint against two employees of OAHI, one director, and two other members. That was well over 7 months ago. I was subsequently informed that all parties were more or less absolved of their alleged infractions. The funny thing is at no time did OAHI contact me in that 7 month period to ask me for the evidence of any kind, even though I had the info. It seems the decision to absolve these people was done behind closed doors without any input other then my initial complaint. I am appealing this decision and as I say I have sent in my $300 fee for the Appeal. As to the other complaints outstanding that OAHI has levelled I have asked them to be stayed until such time as the Appeal is heard on my first complaint. Thus far no answer.

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by rwand1

Roy

No I have not heard back from OAHI. I sent in a cheque for $300 to cover the cost of an Appeal. I had lodged a complaint against two employees of OAHI, one director, and two other members. That was well over 7 months ago. I was subsequently informed that all parties were more or less absolved of their alleged infractions. The funny thing is at no time did OAHI contact me in that 7 month period to ask me for the evidence of any kind, even though I had the info. It seems the decision to absolve these people was done behind closed doors without any input other then my initial complaint. I am appealing this decision and as I say I have sent in my $300 fee for the Appeal. As to the other complaints outstanding that OAHI has levelled I have asked them to be stayed until such time as the Appeal is heard on my first complaint. Thus far no answer.

Gee that is too bad . I wonder should isend them a set of their rules .
Roy Cooke . The best thing going in Canada for NACHI is OAHI

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

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Welcome Home Ron Glad to see you again sorry I did not get to read your post.
Sure Missed you hope all is well and you have been looking in on us .
We all are doing well and Hope to see you at the NACHI Toronto Conference next May.
Business has been going well for me and hope you to .

Roy Cooke