Bill are you going to the conference?

[George A. H. Luck]

"Am I typing too fast for you to read?"

Nice Attitude Bill. That ought to illicit a lot of responses to your site. Nothing like ignorance to ensure a "dialogue".

As we have seen earlier by both your responses and your 'rules' you have no intention of 'dialogue'. Perhaps you should aquaint yourself with the term 'monologue'.

[Bill Mullen]

Originally Posted by rcooke

Yes I read what you said Bill ,I have also read before what you said . Unfortunately what Bill puts in print does not always happen.
Thanks for your gentle non Factious reminder
.

Cookie

Are you calling me a liar, Roy ?? At least I was gentleman enough to apologize for that when I slipped up. You 'gentlemen' didn't even acknowledge that I was a big enough person to apologize. It's all negative with you.

I have received two more questions since my message a few minutes ago. Two people yesterday complained that you and Ray, and others like George who are now covered in your muck are hurting NACHI's chances in Canada because you have done nothing positive to help......... just ********.

The true, genuine, good NACHI members understand and realize that I am reaching out to help them regardless of the abusive conditions I have to work under. Their private messages have shown that. They know I am not doing this or my Convention appearance for myself, because I have nothing to gain for myself.

By the way, do you and Ray show the same contempt for the women in your lives that you display on these forums? That is shameful and deserves to be prosecuted. I can't understand how your wife can live with someone who has such a vile and debasing opinion of women. I am disappointed that Nick and the others gave you a free ride after your bigoted and hateful comments towards women.

Wallow in your mud-hole, Roy. The decent NACHI members deserve and will get all the advice and help they want from me.

Bill Mullen

[Mario A. Kyriacou, CHI]

Originally Posted by Bill Mullen

Are you calling me a liar, Roy ?? At least I was gentleman enough to apologize for that when I slipped up. You 'gentlemen' didn't even acknowledge that I was a big enough person to apologize. It's all negative with you.

I have received two more questions since my message a few minutes ago. Two people yesterday complained that you and Ray, and others like George who are now covered in your muck are hurting NACHI's chances in Canada because you have done nothing positive to help......... just ********.

The true, genuine, good NACHI members understand and realize that I am reaching out to help them regardless of the abusive conditions I have to work under. Their private messages have shown that. They know I am not doing this or my Convention appearance for myself, because I have nothing to gain for myself.

By the way, do you and Ray show the same contempt for the women in your lives that you display on these forums? That is shameful and deserves to be prosecuted. I can't understand how your wife can live with someone who has such a vile and debasing opinion of women. I am disappointed that Nick and the others gave you a free ride after your bigoted and hateful comments towards women.

Wallow in your mud-hole, Roy. The decent NACHI members deserve and will get all the advice and help they want from me.

Bill Mullen

Bill

I don't get it,you call Ray a liar one day later you apologized and now you want a pat on the back for being "big".

[Bill Mullen]

Originally Posted by mkyriacou

Bill

I don't get it,you call Ray a liar one day later you apologized and now you want a pat on the back for being "big".

That bothers you, but you are okay with Roy and Ray abusing women. That's very interesting.

Bill Mullen

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by Bill Mullen

Are you calling me a liar, Roy ?? At least I was gentleman enough to apologize for that when I slipped up. You 'gentlemen' didn't even acknowledge that I was a big enough person to apologize. It's all negative with you.
Gee I did not think I called you a liar Bill .
Sure is nice to see you apoligise
Sorry to say I can not remember if you have ever done that before .
All Negative not in the least I am most certinally very posive all the time .
Just because I am positive that your National Certification will not fly, to you that is negative, not to me...
I have received two more questions since my message a few minutes ago. Two people yesterday complained that you and Ray, and others like George who are now covered in your muck are hurting NACHI's chances in Canada because you have done nothing positive to help......... just ********.
.I think it is great that people can disagree with Ray and Roy .
This is one more of the fine things about NACHI we do not all have to walk the way one person says we must.
Gee I think you have said that NACHI will never succeed in Canada many times and how we are hurting their chances in Canada .
Now who is being negative not me .
Please Bill have a look at how well NACHI is not doing in Canada It suddenly is bigger the CAHPI by far.
The true, genuine, good NACHI members understand and realize that I am reaching out to help them regardless of the abusive conditions I have to work under. Their private messages have shown that. They know I am not doing this or my Convention appearance for myself, because I have nothing to gain for myself.
.I think it is great for you to have come down and shown the true genuine good NACHI members how well you are reaching out to help them.
You are doing a fabilious job of giveing them information ,that has been asked for many times over the last year.
Oh! by the way Bill I still have not heard who is on the Secret society that expects to take over all Canadains who "Hope to make a living at Home Inspections.." Quote your words Bill .
I still have no idea how many took the Primary certification or how they where broke down association wise.
By the way, do you and Ray show the same contempt for the women in your lives that you display on these forums? That is shameful and deserves to be prosecuted. I can't understand how your wife can live with someone who has such a vile and debasing opinion of women.
.My how we change and throw stones .
Char and I will soon celebrate our 52 anniversary.
You in this case have a little bit of knowledge and have become an instant expert .
Sad to say you have still not changed .
I am disappointed that Nick and the others gave you a free ride after your bigoted and hateful comments towards women.
.I guess you can not see how great NICK is and how he has the abillity to get the best in NACHI and how he has the ability to let the members preform and help all, and grow better.
Wallow in your mud-hole, Roy.
.Gee not nice Bill to call our BB and NACHI a mud hole but this is exactly how you have treated those who disagree with you on a continuing basis.
Free speech has never been allowed on the CANUK list since John Lueck turned it over to you..
The decent NACHI members deserve and will get all the advice and help they want from me.
.Nice try Bill but I do not think many will be leaving NACHI to join CAHPI and the Secret Society who expect to see CAHPI win and boot NACHI out of Canada.
Bill Mullen

...I can Remember the New Years Day ( soon to be two years ago )you handed over in good faith the olive Branch and said the time is now to put the past behind us and all get along .
That lasted about 8 hours before you broke your word.
You started a BLOG to help all then immediately removed questions you did not like .
Then you closed it down.
CAHPI had a BB and it too removed those who did not follow your rules . It too has been closed down
Please tell me again you thoughts about free speech and how it should work.

COOKIE A happy NACHI member

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by Bill Mullen

That bothers you, but you are okay with Roy and Ray abusing women. That's very interesting.

Bill Mullen

abuse

One entry found for abuse. Main Entry: 2abuse
Pronunciation: &-'byüz
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): abused; abus·ing
1 a : to put to a wrong or improper use <abuse a privilege> b : to use excessively <abuse alcohol>; also : to use without medical justification <abusing painkillers>
2 obsolete : DECEIVE
3 : to use so as to injure or damage : MALTREAT

abuse

One entry found for abuse.

Main Entry: 2abuse
Pronunciation: &-'byüz
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): abused; abus·ing
1 a : to put to a wrong or improper use <abuse a privilege> b : to use excessively <abuse alcohol>; also : to use without medical justification <abusing painkillers>
2 obsolete : DECEIVE
3 : to use so as to injure or damage : MALTREAT
So you are an expert in abuse too are you .
This is sure not the way to make a balanced decision
Bill you should know there are three sides to ever story
(1)your side (2) my side and (3) the truth
.The usual way for you to do things make up your mind and you are correct.
Still the same old Bill Closed mind .
To bad Bill Coming here was a great idea and it should have been fruitfull . It still could be and I do hope it will be but as you say it is your Decession .
I wish you all the best Bill and Hope you have a great Christmas I know Char and I will .

Cookie

PS,
GEE to use what you say about me and Ray.
I wonder is that too Abuse ????????

[rwand1]

Here is what Bill is about. This should give you some clue as to his incapacity to dialogue or his ability to see nothing but hatred the minute I post something inocuous.

Here is a number of links you may find informative that I have compiled.

Certification and Accreditation Model for Home
and Property Inspectors Report Sections 2,3,4,5 and 6
http://www.oahi.com/reading/CHIBOHPI...to6-Draft6.pdf

Overview of the Canadian Private Home Inspection Industry
http://www.chba.ca/membersarea/polic...inspection.pdf

First Nations Building Officials Certification
http://www.fnnboa.ca/Application_for...ay_26_rev1.pdf
http://www.cctt.ca/english/about/oct04/fontana.pdf
http://www.fnnboa.ca/documents/CHIBO...-Dec142003.pdf
http://www.senecac.on.ca/parttime/pi...nspection.html
http://www.agt.net/public/moemad/national_1.html
http://www.cmhc.ca/en/burema/gesein/...hose_ce35b.cfm
http://www.cmhc.ca/publications/en/r...h00-131-e.html

http://www.cahi.ca/occupational.html

http://www.cahi.ca/pdf/CHIBO.pdf
http://www.cahi.ca/pdf/common.pdf
http://www.cahi.ca/pdf/PBO.pdf
http://www.cahi.ca/pdf/CMHC.pdf
http://www.cahi.ca/pdf/HPI.pdf
http://www.hrsdc.gc.ca/en/cs/comm/ne.../031210b.shtml

Construction Sector Council aims for more home inspectors, building officials
http://www.csc-ca.org/english/whatsnew_4.html

http://www.csc-ca.org/english/whatwedo_4.html
http://www.csc-ca.org/english/whatsnew_4.html#anchor2

The Carson Dunlop and Associates program has been adopted by the American Society of Home Inspectors (ASHI), the Canadian Association of Home and Property Inspectors (CAHPI) in BC, Saskatchewan and Manitoba. The Carson Dunlop program complies with ASHI Curriculum and Standards of Practice. The program also meets the Professional Home/Property Inspector Occupational Standards developed by the Canadian Home Inspectors and Building Officials Steering Committee for National Standards (CHIBO).

http://www.senecac.on.ca/parttime/pi...nspection.html

http://www.hrsdc.gc.ca/en/cs/comm/ne.../031210b.shtml

Raymond Wand R.H.I.
Alton, ON

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Bills reply

I am wondering what positive intent Mr. Wand could possibly have by posting these messages and the several links therein.

He is providing leads to information that in most cases is woefully outdated and in many cases has been changed. As anyone who has been following the progression of the National Initiative is aware, the official, final document has not been made public yet. To point people towards these early, raw drafts is nothing short of misleading.

The information in the early drafts illustrated what some of the requirements, etc. might have been. As more information was studied and researched, the document experienced a few major transitions until it reached its present final and fair state.

The CHIBO Committee has finished its work of devloping the National Certification Program for Canadian Home Inspectors. The correct, final document will soon be released.

Bill Mullen RHI

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Bills second reply

Raymond:

1) You are a 'Retired RHI' and must display that if you use RHI behind your name although you insist on telling the world you are in fact an RHI.
2) You are NOT a member of CAHPI.
3) Even someone like you knows that 'Prevaricate' means to 'Lie'. Since you are clearly calling me a liar I will give you 24 hours to rescind that statement and apologize.
4) Congratulations on your new membership in NACHI. You certainly deserve each other.
5) There are many, many messages on a few forums in which you encourage others to try to cause problems for the hard working volunteers who have been trying to better the futures of qualified Canadian Home Inspectors by developing the National Certification Program.
6) If you were not out to derail the National Initiative, perhaps you can tell us how your recent letter to Joe Fontana's office helped the Initiative proceed. Luckily, the program stands up to any and all scrutiny, so your complaints were treated as they should be. Sorry, but your evil plan backfired, because it just gave everyone involved more reason to ensure that CAHPI is unquestionably the Voice of Canadian Home Inspectors. Stay tuned for some big announcements of good news for CAHPI and all credible Canadian Home Inspectors.

Bill Mullen RHI (legitimately)

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My reply to Bills comments

Mr. Mullen for your information I posted all these links as a courtesy to the members of OAHI and as a repository of all current information, whether outdated or not! It is much more information than you or CAHPI have been willing to provide at any point in time on this forum or to the membership. I don't ever recall seeing or reading anywhere on this site or anywhere else including CAHPI website all the info that is available as provided by the links.

You have been consistent in stating both on this forum and others that I am out to derail the National and CHIBO, and any other notion that you can seem to fit into your myopic agenda. You have a tendency to make statements which you cannot back up. That means you are prevericating in order to try and discredit me. That seems to be in violation of the Code of Ethics and the Forum Rules, and I am surprised at your comments considering your role as appointed spokesperson for CAHPI as Director of Strategic Alliances.

Now do you really want this thread to deteriorate to your level or do you want to be helpful? Please also refer to page 5 of previous posts entitled "The National."

Who is misleading whom?

Thank You.

Raymond Wand RHI and Member of CAHPI
Alton, ON

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Bills reply

I ask all valid members of CAHPI Ontario to take note that Raymond Wand is blatantly claiming to be an RHI when his actual status is 'Retired RHI'

I also want everyone to note that he claims to be a member of CAHPI when in fact there are NO individual CAHPI members.

This is in absolute violation of our bylaws.

His branding me as a Prevaricator is a violation of the terms of this forum and is also subject to litigation which will be initiated tomorrow. I am fed up with his thumbing his nose at our VALID Canadian Associations and I am no longer going to stand by while he dumps on the good people who work as members as volunteers.
He is a proud member of some American club that purports to have something to do with Home Inspecting. They are certainly meant for each other. He feels they are much superior to our Canadian associations, so it makes me and many others wonder why he just doesn't leave us alone and help them do their dream weaving.

Bill Mullen RHI

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My reply to Bill.

Firstly I don't believe you to be an authority on the by-laws of Oahi. So if you have any concerns or questions as to your statements and allegations you have made I suggest you file with A) The DPPC and B) Your lawyer. As you recall I was Chairman of the DPPC and I am well aware of the By-laws.

As to posting public domain documents as a respository for others who may be interested in CHIBO and the National. There is no law preventing me from posting such topical links. Members have the right to read and draw their own conclusions. How you can even promote the idea my post was misleading is ridiculous. These links hopefully have stirred others into assessing and formulating questions. You have purposely turned a information session into you personal vendetta circus.

I would be remiss not to point out you do not control my freedom of association as defined in law, nor my free speech that I have endeavoured to do by providing informative links.

As to my membership in any other organization that is my business personally, and a business decision, it is not any of yours.

Thank you.

Raymond Wand
Alton, ON

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Dave Bottoms replied

Bill,
Word of advice: Don't waste your breath on this pantload. He's done nothing but trash OAHI and CAHPI on his U.S. NACHO forum for months and frankly, should be booted right out of this legitimate professional Canadian HI association.

Check out all he's got to say about OAHI and CAHPI. Of particular interest is the fact he's posting links to entire threads from this forum. So much for a closed and private members-only forum (see page 9 of the following link).
http://www.nachi.org/bbsystem/viewtopic.php?t=14865&postdays=0&postorder=asc&sta rt=0

And lets all congratulate him for finally coming clean about working for Nick and NACHI at the detriment of our Canadian associations.
http://www.nachi.org/bbsystem/viewtopic.php?t=15466

A word of advice to all who post here: watch what you say because it could end up on NACHI's public U.S. forum courtesy of R. Wand, Retired RHI. He has ZERO respect for your privacy here.

Dave

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Dave further replied...

Oh, and by the way, Raymond, you are NOT and RHI. You are a Retired RHI. Stop misleading everyone into thinking you hold a title when in fact you do not. If I can draw your attention (once again) to the July OAHI Newsletter, where the OAHI Ethics Committee made the following statement to its members:

quote: One issue that keeps coming up concerns retired members that continue practice. I would draw your
attention to the OAHI By-law article 3.3(e)(2) which states: “Retired Members” shall be persons who: are not active performing inspections.
If you are a retired member and are performing inspections you are required to update your
membership and pay the required fees to become an active RHI. Failure to do so will result in disciplinary action
being taken against you in accordance with the OAHI Bylaws.

If you want to call yourself an RHI, then pay the full membership fee like all the other RHIs have to. Or stop lying about it here and on your website. Misrepresenting your credentials to the public is blatantly unethical. Better yet, get lost; NACHI deserves you.

Dave

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My reply to Dave:

Thank you Mr. Bottoms for your enlightening post.

You should forward all complaints and allegations and speculation to the DPPC or your lawyer.

You obviously are ignorant of the laws and the the by-laws. I suggest along with Mr. Mullens you provide specific proof of your statements. And the particular sections of the by-law.

Considering you have threatened me on numerous occassions and have been reported to the police I find your lack of ethics and accussations most disturbing.

Raymond Wand RHI
Alton, ON

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Dave Bottoms replied:

All I know is this:
1. You renewed last year not as an RHI, but as a Retired RHI at a much discounted membership fee.
2. You still claim you are an RHI here, on your U.S. NACHI website and to the general public on your own website.
3. It's an insult to all those RHIs who pay full price to use that acronym while you lie about it in order to skirt paying your proper dues.
4. The OAHI Ethics Committee has made it crystal clear that what you are doing is wrong, yet you still continue to perpetrate your little pretence.

You need to take a class in ethics 101.

You know, if you hate OAHI and CAHPI as much as you claim on your U.S. NACHI forum, then maybe it's time you put your money where your mouth is and quit. Seems rather hypocritical that you trash OAHI and all its hard-working volunteers day in and day out on your U.S. NACHI forum yet still maintain your OAHI/CAHPI membership year after year, wouldn't you say?

Bottom Line: Either stop lying about your credentials and pay the full membership fee like everyone else, or get the hell out. If it were up to me you wouldn't be afforded the first option.

Dave

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My reply (RW)

Mr. Bottoms

Clearly you are not in a position to teach anyone anything about ethics.
I have rights and will excercise them. Just as you have the right to file a complaint. I have a right to be a member and use RHI as defined in PR 158 and the By-laws. I also have the right to due process. If anyone is suggesting my rights be forfeited or infringed upon without due process there will be serious ramifications. I suggest you brush up on the law with regards to members rights as enshrined in PR 158 and Oahi by-laws and the Constitution which you hold in disdain.

Thank you.
Raymond Wand R,H.I.
Alton, ON

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Dave Bottoms reply:

Just because you have rights doesn't making lying to the public about your credentials "right," now does it.

The bylaws also don't tell the membership not to steal from the houses we inspect. Based on your twisted and flawed logic, then it must be okay to steal, since it's not clearly addressed in the bylaws.

Ethical and professional business people don't need a list of rules to tell them right from wrong. Some things shouldn't have to be spelled out. Lying about your credentials so you can hold a membership at a much discounted rate while all your OAHI brethren pay the full rate is unethical and disgraceful and an abuse. Don't need bylaws to spell that out. At least I don't. You, on the other hand, obviously do. That's a shame.

As far as me taking it up with OAHI or whomever, our Ethics Committee has already issued a stern warning about your abuse. Why don't you read it an act on it instead of trying to come up with idiotic loopholes to justify your blatant lies and lack of ethics?

Dave

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My reply to Dave Bottoms:

Mr. Bottoms.

I again ask you to substantiate via the by-laws the specific sections which you claim make me a liar, and provide substance to your statements. You have not done so and don't appear to be able to do so.

In regards to the by-laws they don't explicitly explain that Associate Members should not utter threats, intimidate, or harass. Nor would I expect the Editor in Chief of the Canadian Home Inspector Magazine to display his ignorance of the rules, and how to report fairly and accurately without the need to lie.

For the record I have not had any letters from the DPPC in regards to this issue. It seems the only people who have a problem are you and Mr. Mullens. And also for the record I don't think the DPPC is in any position to chase me for unfounded allegations when there are other outstanding issues that I have never had the pleasure of a reply.

I also wonder about your status as an Associate Member. You are not actively inspecting as you are a full time contractor. You have been in the Assoc. category for well over the 3 year limit. It certainly seems to me you should be in the Retired category, and appear to be misrepresenting yourself on your website.

You will be happy to know that I plan on renewing with Oahi and I will again renew under the Retired category and will join whatever association I please. There is nothing you can do about it so you might as well live with it.

It is unfortunate that you and Mr. Mullens continue to carry this hatred onto this board which is set up for the dissemination of home inspection information. This forum was moving along very nicely and getting members back on and discussing inspection issues. Now you two have high jacked it. Neither one have you have oontributed anything here other then your hot air.

Now either go through proper channels with your complaint or close the hole beneath your nose.

Raymond Wand RHI and member of CAHPI.
Alton, ON

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Dave Bottoms replied:

quote: I again ask you to substantiate via the by-laws the specific sections which you claim make me a liar, and provide substance to your statements. You have not done so and don't appear to be able to do so.

It's really quite simple: 1. You claim you are an RHI here, on your U.S. NACHI forum, and on your website. 2. In actuality, you do NOT hold the membership status of RHI, you gave that up when you renewed as a Retired RHI. Duping the public into thinking you hold the title of RHI when you do not is what makes you a liar. I don't need bylaws to tell me that, nor should you. You are setting an extremely poor example for new members. You are also thumbing your nose at those legitimate RHIs who have paid full membership fees to hold that title.

As for the rest of your blathering, sorry but I refuse to let you try to distract everyone from the fact you are lying about your credentials.

When I search your name on OAHI's website to see if you are an RHI, here's what I find:
http://www.oahi.com/PUBLIC/listinspe...me&search=wand

But on your own website you claim to be an RHI:
http://www.raymondwand.ca/credentials.html

That's all the evidence I or anyone else should need.

As far as you renewing again as a Retired RHI, you are not retired. That membership status is reserved for those not performing inspections, which we all know you are. I would once again draw your attention to the recent notice by the OAHI Ethics Committee:

quote: One issue that keeps coming up concerns retired members that continue practice. I would draw your attention to the OAHI By-law article 3.3(e)(2) which states: “Retired Members” shall be persons who: are not active performing inspections.
If you are a retired member and are performing inspections you are required to update your membership and pay the required fees to become an active RHI. Failure to do so will result in disciplinary action being taken against you in accordance with the OAHI Bylaws.

Why, exactly, do you feel that you are free to operate outside of our ethical guidelines? If I were to hazard a guess, I think you are hoping to waste the memership's money by forcing OAHI to take legal action to get you to stop lying about your membership status. That's why you keep inviting me and others to lodge a complaint to the DPPC. I think you are hoping to be able to brag to your NACHI club how you forced the OAHI to waste money on lawyer fees much like Roy Cooke Sr keeps bragging about how he tried to bankrupt OAHI with legal fees.

Dave

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My reply to Dave Bottoms:

Mr. Bottoms

If you are so sure of your allegations, and facts, please for the umpteeenth time file a complaint.

Does the Association lawyer Mr. Segal know what is going on here? It seems I am being ridiculed and being judged here without due process and contrary to the by-laws. Is Mr. Bottoms now spokesperson for the DPPC and BOD it sure looks that way.

Thank you.

Raymond Wand
Alton, ON

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Dave Bottoms reply:

Bill,

One has only to use the search function on NACHI's forum to know the truth about Wand's plans to disrupt the N.I. and hurt the HI profession in Canada by helping Nick's company. It's all right there for anyone to read and it's been going on for years.

Dave

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Dave additionally posted...

quote:Originally posted by Raymond.Wand

Mr. Bottoms

My membership status and renewal choices are none of your business.

As to my Retired status that too is none of your business.

Raymond Wand R.H.I.

Actually, Ray, I already know the answers to my questions. [IMG]file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/HP_Owner/Desktop/CAFESEPT%2020%202005/icon_smile_wink.gif[/IMG]

Dave
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Bill Mullen replied to Mr. Bottoms...

Mr. Wand has already run to his American friends with a copy of the nasty things he thinks we're saying about him and his Yankee buddies.

He now has them so confused they think the National Initiative is all about Government Housing similar to HUD in the Excited States. That just proves how dangerous a small amount of erroneous information can be.

The fact that he has such a naive, believing audience on the NACHI Forum speaks volumes for their desparation and willingness to drink from any Koolaid cup that looks good.

The Nickster has them dancing on the end of his strings like good little puppets.

Bill Mullen
CAHPI - The Voice of Canadian Home Inspectors

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Dave Bottoms replied...

Once again Wand is playing the part of mole, running information from this closed, private, for-members-only forum to his NACHI handlers. I'm surprised the forum moderator lets him continue to get away with this.

Dave

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My reply to Bill and Dave:

Do either one of you two have any morals?

You know you wouldn't get caught in lies if you only learned to keep quiet. You are like a pack of Wolf's, you get in a feeding frenzy and go wild with unsubstantiated rumour, lies, and speculation.

I would like to know how you two can thumb your noses at the forum rules, and seem to get away with it?

Mr. Bottoms your role as Editor in Chief has gone to your head. You should resign under the circumstances for your outright lies, your threats and the other documented incidences you have partaken in towards me. Again why don't you tell the fine members how I and another had to report you to the police and your internet provider? You seem to be unable to comprehend right from wrong.

Mr. Mullens you seem to be pretty much in the same boat as Mr. Bottoms in having the knack to make up any lie you wish and to distort the by-laws for your own misguided agenda. It is clear to me you two have no intention of following the COE, nor the forum rules, that makes you both hypocrites.

Carry on.

Raymond Wand

Well as you can all read Mr. Mullens and his yippdy yappy boy are hung up on me. You can read for yourself how they attacked me for posting all those links. Makes you wonder if Mr. Mullen is mentally capable of discerning the National and issues, questions and concerns from his hard on for his personal dislike for me. There seems to be some jealousy of me.

This is the mind set of the National Spokesperson and the Editor of the Canadian Home Inspector the magazine of CAHPI. Seems their animosities are not about the National but what they percieve as me breaking some rules that they feel are questionable.

This dialogue went on until I was suspended for defending myself from unprovoked attacks. It sure is strange how Mr. Mullen and Mr. Bottom were exempt from the rules and not suspended.

Yes trust the National and Mr. Mullen the purveyor of truth.

Now he comes on this board thinking its his to set the rules. Well Bill you are not the leader here, and you don't set the agenda, or the rules.

Raymond Wand
Alton, ON
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[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Gee reading your above post Bill Mullen and Dave Bottoms said a lot of not so nice things about you .
I also remember Claude and Bill both saying that the First Nations where part of the National Certification .
I see you have a site listed above that does not go any where it is no longer active . http://www.fnnboa.ca/documents/CHIBO...-Dec142003.pdf
But I just went to the First Nations web site and looked it over very close and could find nothing about the National Certification . .I wonder have Bill and Claude made a mistake or is it more wishfull thinking on their part.

http://www.fnnboa.ca/ This is the First Nations Web site that covers a lots on Construction and their inspectors and what the future holds .

Cookie

[Claude Lawrenson]

Roy for clarification purpose - FNNBOA participated as a stakeholder in CHIBO2. The majority of work - but not all is commisioned on First Nation lands. They had two representatives - Keith Maracle and (Bud) Richard Jobin.

Like any other association - they (FNNBOA) would have to submit the courses for accreditation and the certification process undertaken by FNNBOA for its equivalency.

Having a bit of knowledge about their certification and accreditation - they are a mix between building official and home/property inspector with some work such as property standards enforcement. As such they have an official designation known as "Building Officers".

Further information may be obtained at http://www.fnnboa.ca/

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by clawrenson

Roy for clarification purpose - FNNBOA participated as a stakeholder in CHIBO2. The majority of work - but not all is commisioned on First Nation lands. They had two representatives - Keith Maracle and (Bud) Richard Jobin.

Like any other association - they (FNNBOA) would have to submit the courses for accreditation and the certification process undertaken by FNNBOA for its equivalency.

Having a bit of knowledge about their certification and accreditation - they are a mix between building official and home/property inspector with some work such as property standards enforcement. As such they have an official designation known as "Building Officers".

Further information may be obtained at http://www.fnnboa.ca/

This is the same address I have listed and I went over their web site with fine tooth Comb and could find no reference to you or the National Certification .
I was sure I had read in one of your earlier posts that they were onside with the certification and was surprised I could find zero reference there.
. Thanks .. Cookie

[Claude Lawrenson]

Roy being onside (aka - supporting) and having an equivalency agreement are two very different things. The same holds true of ACBOA. - We agreed in principle to work together for a common standard - which was developed in CHIBO-1 - (common occupational standard). However in CHIBO-2 each developed their own form of certification and accreditation.

I believe you are looking for "equivalency" - and that is a matter of where the difference between the 3 groups are more pronounced. We worked for a common goal - albeit a different flavoured model for each and shared the information and good will in working to achieve that common goal.

As I stated before - the skills may be similar but the authorities and laws are which each operate are also very different. Courses or learning coupled with experience each have to be weighted and evaluated for a fit to measure equivalency. As an example - I doubt that most home inspectors have ever taken a course of First Nations Protocol. Equally I am quite positive that to become "certified" - most if not all of the parties require a Part 9 Building Code course. That is a simple comparison starting point. Hence the need for "specialist" that know and understand about "accrediatation".

[Claude Lawrenson]

http://www.fnnboa.ca/html/partners___sponsors.html

and perhaps review this document
http://www.fnnboa.ca/documents/Layin...ssociation.pdf

[Mario A. Kyriacou, CHI]

Originally Posted by Bill Mullen

That bothers you, but you are okay with Roy and Ray abusing women. That's very interesting.

Bill Mullen

Bill

The verbal abuse bothers me. Roy has stayed out of it and it's not fair to mention him. Ray has verbally abused Wendy yes, but she was warned not to get involved and she has.And like you said there is only so much you can take. In any event I'm not getting involved in all this.

I'm here trying to find some info about NC and that's it. It's obvious that you and Ray have a history but it's not fair that you walk away from all Canadian NACHI members because of something that happened between you and another member of CAHPI.

I think this thread has turned into the Wendy thread.I think we [you] should start another thread. And hopefully this time she will keep her nose out of it.

[Bill Mullen]

Originally Posted by mkyriacou

Bill

The verbal abuse bothers me. Roy has stayed out of it and it's not fair to mention him. Ray has verbally abused Wendy yes, but she was warned not to get involved and she has.And like you said there is only so much you can take. In any event I'm not getting involved in all this.

I'm here trying to find some info about NC and that's it. It's obvious that you and Ray have a history but it's not fair that you walk away from all Canadian NACHI members because of something that happened between you and another member of CAHPI.

I think this thread has turned into the Wendy thread.I think we [you] should start another thread. And hopefully this time she will keep her nose out of it.

Mario:

Roy has hardly stayed out of it. Only a week or so ago he called Wendy a 'vindictive *****' among other nasty things. However, I'm not going to waste any more bandwidth on those two.

I'm glad you are looking for fair answers to fair and respectfully asked questions. There are lots available. I did not walk away from Canadian Home Inspectors. Since Ray and Roy decided to highjack yet another useful thread, I have offered to answer questions sent to my e-mail at cahpi1@yahoo.ca . If you or anyone have any questions, please send them to me. I'm will not accept arguments of displays of disdain or contempt, but I will readily answer legitimate questions.

I have already answered almost twenty questions today from people who were afraid to ask them in this thread because of those waiting to ambush them. Every once in a while I will post the questions and answers here with the names removed.

Bill Mullen

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by Bill Mullen

Mario:

Roy has hardly stayed out of it. Only a week or so ago he called Wendy a 'vindictive *****' among other nasty things. However, I'm not going to waste any more bandwidth on those two.
Welcome Bill glad you see how great it is to visit the NACHi site and how things run on a free and open BB.
I am also so Glad Dave Bottoms keeps you and many other Canadians up to date . Unfortunatly he does try and edit the information he gets to try and make NACHI look bad .Fortunatly it does noy work it only brings more Canadians to the NACHI BB. ( thanks Dave )
Dave when You visit I wish you would only use you own name instead of many others.
Gee do you think she might just have deserved it
Bill of course we all know you have said much wors things .
And have you noticed at least Wendy and I still can comunicate .
Try it Bill you might like it .just try and treat others the way you want to be treated and you know what it works in most cases?..

I'm glad you are looking for fair answers to fair and respectfully asked questions. There are lots available. I did not walk away from Canadian Home Inspectors. Since Ray and Roy decided to highjack yet another useful thread,
Woops you slipped Bill ("any more bandwidth on those two". )
...Sad to see you still blame evert one else for you short commings.
I have offered to answer questions sent to my e-mail at cahpi1@yahoo.ca .
If you or anyone have any questions, please send them to me. I'm will not accept arguments of displays of disdain or contempt, but I will readily answer legitimate questions.
...I have shown no " Distane or Contemp " I sure wish I could say the same about you .
I have already answered almost twenty questions today from people who were afraid to ask them in this thread because of those waiting to ambush them. Every once in a while I will post the questions and answers here with the names removed.
...Please vist some of the other post's on the NACHI site and with luck our treatment of all Members and non members will show you how great NACHI is and why so many Canadian Home inspectors join NACHI.
Bill Mullen

Bill Please I hope you note I did not once insult you even when you tried to bait me many times .
I have found that the NACHO is definitely helping all and even when we have a disagreement amongst our selves it is over almost instantly .
Sure is nice to see and hear you hope all goes well and you too get the pleasant attitude that Prevails on NACHI.

Yours for a great Future and open communications for all.

You will notice I am not using your favorite saying
Quote " Don't let the door hit your *** on the way out "
You see Bill even when I am disappointed in the way
you are behaving I can still show you respect .

Cookie