Cahpi Message Board Censorship!

[rwand1]

What is even stranger is the same posts that were deleted on the CAHPI forum are still on the OAHI CAFE. (remarkable in itself given the past history of censorship) Seems whoever is giving the orders is at the CAHPI level and their sphere of influence in CAHPI can't reach into OAHI. I guess we know were the orders come from.

Can you say manipulation? Oooops

[Claude Lawrenson]

Regards, Claude

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by clawrenson

Roy for clarification I do post on other discussions here on NACHI to help others. Perhaps you have neglected to see those posts. BTW: I also did a full 7 days of posts on QOD - question of the day. Is that a fair and reasonable contribution? Also I post to help "others" outside of the Canadian side of the discussions. At least there I am not confronted with the reception and ill-will expressed by a number on the other "political" Canadian side of the board. So if you are questioning my diversity or contributions - perhaps its not as narrow as some may think.

Than again possibly some would rather see me and my POV dissappear from the NACHI forum. If Nick and others do not value my contribution, and feel I cause trouble, I will gladly leave, unless they would prefer to "officially" kick me off of the board. After all its not my board - and the way I see it, I play by their rules.

Regards, Claude

I do not think there is one person who would like you to go away .
I loved your question of the day.
My question was I have never seen you chastise posts else where and never saw you say any thing about Bills and others who had many mean things to say about NACHI.
This I felt was sort of one sided.
I know I have a lot to say but I really do expect fair play from all and want all to follow the rules .
It looks so strange so many questions do not get answered and then I get told I am out of date .
Wrong doing today or last year is still wrong doing.
Wrong doing last year should never be forgiven.
They are never forgotten in law .

.
Roy Cooke ... Royshomeinspection.com

[rrichards2]

Originally Posted by clawrenson

Roy for clarification I do post on other discussions here on NACHI to help others. Perhaps you have neglected to see those posts. BTW: I also did a full 7 days of posts on QOD - question of the day. Is that a fair and reasonable contribution? Also I post to help "others" outside of the Canadian side of the discussions. At least there I am not confronted with the reception and ill-will expressed by a number on the other "political" Canadian side of the board. So if you are questioning my diversity or contributions - perhaps its not as narrow as some may think.

Than again possibly some would rather see me and my POV dissappear from the NACHI forum. If Nick and others do not value my contribution, and feel I cause trouble, I will gladly leave, unless they would prefer to "officially" kick me off of the board. After all its not my board - and the way I see it, I play by their rules.

Regards, Claude

Claude, Why would anyone "kick" you off the BB for sharing information or expressing a opinion? This is what message boards are for. Message boards usually have very few rules...no racist, sexist comments etc. The Nachi board belongs to all of it's members and that includes you.

[Vern Mitchinson, CMI]

The following is from the code of ethics of ASET.

7. Conduct themselves with fairness, honesty, courtesy and good faith toward clients, colleagues and others, give credit where it is due and accept, as well as give, honest and fair professional comment;

When you bad mouth someone or another organization you are damaging youself and your own organization. I bill wants to bad mouth someone then the thing he says are reflected back on him. When you badmouth CAPHI the general public does not know much about them or NACHI so there opinion is formed that Home inspection Assoc. are not good. Then they extend the opinion to all Assoc, and to the members of those Assoc.
None of this is good for our business, reputation etc.
I am not a member of CAPHI but if anyone asks and I get several questions a month I tell then that CAPHI is another Assoc. I belong to NACHI because it is a better Assoc. and our standards exceed CAPHI.
Taking the positive approach promotes the inspection industry and that can only be good for all of us.

[Claude Lawrenson]

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[rwand1]

Yes and its still called censorship. It is no more different then the uncensored crap that comes to us by way of the Canuck list!

Claude perhaps you can explain why three documented cases fully known within OAHI Discipline have not had the courtesy of a reply or any manner of were in the process those complaints are. Excuses, excuses, excuses. These same folks are going to be overseeing NCP in Ontario? You have some serious problems on your end to deal with as Ethic Chair. Certainly OAHI cannot fulfill it position and is knowingly burying complaints, this is not acceptable. I have never seen so called professional people as directors hide so much truth and so much bias as I have seen within OAHI. This reflects badly on everyone, and you as Ethics Chair who is helpless to take on the task of cleaniing things up less you cause to many waves. Nice work I guess if you can get it.

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by clawrenson

At the same time there is a large silent majority that are not afraid to send private emails indicating they are disgusted with the pettiness and personal attacks by their fellow NACHI and by other members. So when does free speech become liability and not an value added asset to any type of discussion. Again it all filters down to rules and protocol, along with ones perception of upholding moral and ethical values. Something like "Do unto others as you would have them do to you". Or treat others like you would want to be treated.

I am not here to judge any ones comments, but to respond to an ethics "complaint". As I stated before, the substance of the issue, would and should not be judged or based on a popularity poll here, or by hearsay evidence provided by this or any other venue. To me that is where real fairness lies.

Claude with out a doubt I feel you are the most honest person possible to sit on the ethics committee.
MY past experience has shown how hard it is to make a proper decision with those in power above you.
OAHI removed two of the most conscientious and honerable people
( Rudolf Reusse & Raymond Wand)that I feel they ever had on their DPPC .
They did not like the decisions that where made by their committees.
Being on one of those committees I saw the undue influence the OAHI directors tried to have on our committee.
Our committee was removed when we would not let the OAHI board influence our decisions.
Unfortunately OAHI has a large contingency of members sitting on the CAHPI board and committees.
Claude I wish you all the best in even making a decision .

Roy Cooke.... RHI.... Royshomeinspection.com

[Claude Lawrenson]

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[rwand1]

Hi Claude,

Here is a question for you, maybe you can answer, maybe not. But on the National Cert. Program Background Application Review form (page 7) it states:

I, the Applicant, hereby warrants that all statements and claims made in this application are true and accurate. I understand that if any statement or claim I have made in this application is not
true or accurate, then I may be removed from the National Certification Program.

I further agree to comply with CAHPI ‘Standards of Practice’ and CAHPI ‘Code of Ethics’ for Home and Property Inspectors, and understand that non compliance may be grounds for my removal from the National Certification Program.

Firstly there would seem to be a problem in that a member of Nachi, is a member of Nachi, accepted into the National Cert. Program, it would appear that the Nachi member would be beholden to conduct inspections no longer under Nachi SOP and COE, but the CAHPI SOP and COE?

How can that be possible? Isn't that a conflict? One can only serve one master? This National Certification was to be open to all home inspectors, no one said anything about a clause forcing one to redirect alliagance to CAHPI. I am I reading this the wrong way?

I further declare that I am an active Home Inspector as required for the Pilot Program

Don't recall seeing that disclosed anywhere either.

I noticed that no where is it mentioned that any of this info asked for is protected under the privacy act. Given what occurred on the CAHPI discussion forum, what safeguards can you assure me that information submitted will not be abused or tampered with as appears to be the most recent case on the CAHPI discussion forum?

Curious.

Thanks.

[bjones1]

Claude: Keep on Keepin' on !

[rrichards2]

This is what I don't get about this whole National Certification project.
If one is qualified as a home inspector as per CMHC guidelines, why the requirement to abide by one particular associations SOP and COD? Choice of association should be the right of the individual inspector. After all, as Claude stated earlier the SOP's and COD's are not that different from one association to another. What about the many inspectors out there who have chosen not to belong to any association for whatever reason. . In an industry that relies heavily on referral business, how long does anyone think a disreputable inspector can stay in business. Consumers do have other avenues to file complaints other than CAPHI. After all there are many other business out there that provide consumer services.

Please don't tell me this "voluntary". We all know that it's not. The reality is that inspectors are being given the choice of either getting in line with CAPHI or go find another line of work. This is not "voluntary" in my book.

[rwand1]

What about engineers, architects, builders, that offer home inspections? Do you think they will become Nationally Certified?

Seeing as a few Nachi members were chosen for the Pilot project, I think a legal opinion is required because CAHPI has no authority to demand that non Cahpi members must conduct their inspections to CAHPI SOP/COE. This is voluntary, it is not mandated, but its being presented as if it is. One of the other long term requirements as I understand it will be mandatory insurance for Nationally Cert. Members.

[rrichards2]

Originally Posted by rwand1

What about engineers, architects, builders, that offer home inspections? Do you think they will become Nationally Certified?

Seeing as a few Nachi members were chosen for the Pilot project, I think a legal opinion is required because CAHPI has no authority to demand that non Cahpi members must conduct their inspections to CAHPI SOP/COE. This is voluntary, it is not mandated, but its being presented as if it is. One of the other long term requirements as I understand it will be mandatory insurance for Nationally Cert. Members.

CAPHI has been doing a very good job lobbying. I believe that it's is only a matter of time before NC will become mandatory for anyone working as an inspector. I can also see E&O becoming a requirement for NC holders, possibly through some CAPHI insurance plan.

[Claude Lawrenson]

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