Cahpi Wants You!!!!!!!!

[alarsen1]

Originally Posted by bmullen1

Start planning for your retirement, because I believe it's going to come a lot earlier than you think. It looks like you have decided to help old Roy destroy NACHI in Canada. He's been doing a great job, but with your help NACHI Canada will be in the ditch even sooner.

I guess nobody has told you the 'good' news that will be coming out about NACHI Canada over the next couple weeks.

We will welcome the survivors into the CAHPI family.

Bill Mullen

Does this have anything to do with the Western Canada NACHI Website no longer existing?

I'm a professionally educated Home Inspector waaaaay over here in BC. I'm fully insured, run a legitimate limited company business and take pride in my work - always doing my best for my clients.

I know nothing about the politics between you fellas who are always going on about Ontario, and Cahpi and whatnot - haven't been around long enough for that. I chose to run with NACHI (as opposed to CAHPI(BC) because of their huge library of educational material and always active, ongoing and relevant discussions, on all topics related to Home Inspection. There truly are many, many very educated contrubutors to this forum, which creates an on-line resource library that money just can't buy. In contrast, the CAHPI(BC) forum was dead... seriously, I'm not trying to slag it - I have good friends who are CAHPI(BC) members - but there'd be a new post every 6 - 8 weeks or so. So for me, being new to the industry last year, and being of the 'always wanting to learn more mindset', I really welcomed (and still do) the vast and collective wealth of experience and knowledge that the NACHI forum continually provides.

If I have to become Nationally Certified to continue my business, so be it I guess... I know I wouldn't have any problems "qualifying", and my education is such that I would be automatically accredited... but it would suck having to pay out $1100 to what is being labelled as a "voluntary" status, when that status is mandatory - which hardly makes it "voluntary" now, does it?

I'm not saying I know anything... I don't! But what else can it be but 6 (and counting?) provinces moving to require manditory licencing (read: National Certification).

Where's Nostradamus when you need him?

[rwand1]

Okay, let me ask this...

How many would subscribe to the National if the price were reduced for Certification to say between $350-$400?

[Claude Lawrenson]

Arne you are not required to become a national certificate holder to survive. I would only expect like other opportunities - it simply adds another layer of qualification - just in case or where some specific orgs are indicating such a certificate holder is their preference.

Its no different than all the "yap" about preference to those of a specified preferred association.

I fail to see at this point where it indicates that is "mandatory". The only reference that I have seen and personally am aware of is that the basic process itself "may" be used as a instrument by certain provinces to "regulate" home inspection/home inspectors by yet some undetermined measure.

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by clawrenson

I fail to see at this point where it indicates that is "mandatory". The only reference that I have seen and personally am aware of is that the basic process itself "may" be used as a instrument by certain provinces to "regulate" home inspection/home inspectors by yet some undetermined measure.

Claude I think you have not been reading the Same post's I have that Bill has said ( in simple form ) Join the National Certification or starve.
Now I do not know how you can get any thing else but ( mandatory ) from Bill way of explaining it .
Roy Cooke

[Claude Lawrenson]

Perhaps I have not! I was simply expressing my view point and my understanding.

[Bill Mullen]

Originally Posted by rcooke

Claude I think you have not been reading the Same post's I have that Bill has said ( in simple form ) Join the National Certification or starve.
Now I do not know how you can get any thing else but ( mandatory ) from Bill way of explaining it .
Roy Cooke

Another blatant lie, Roy. You know full well you made that up.

You and your NACHI friends who don't care enough about you to stop you making these stupid statements can go fly a kite.

I'm done trying to help.

Nick, please cut off my privileges for this forum. I have no more to say either here or at your convention. I will now put all my efforts into helping people who deserve it .................CAHPI members.

CAHPI forever !!

Bill Mullen

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by bmullen1

Another blatant lie, Roy. You know full well you made that up.

You and your NACHI friends who don't care enough about you to stop you making these stupid statements can go fly a kite.

I'm done trying to help.

Nick, please cut off my privileges for this forum. I have no more to say either here or at your convention. I will now put all my efforts into helping people who deserve it .................CAHPI members.

CAHPI forever !!

Bill Mullen

This gentleman has again called me a liar .
He stated that no one in The USA Gets the information from his CANUK list well I know for sure one who does His Name is Roy Cooke JR my son and he lives in North Carolina.
He also stated he does did not get any pay well I have a letter from Bill Mullen Him self that states he was paid $1,000:00 a month to run the NC .
I can go on but this is the person who would have us think he is always right and every one else is wrong .
I do have many more instances where he has made an error .
( you notice I do not call him a liar but he certainly is FALSE, INACCURATE on some of what he says.
This is typical of Bill when he gets caught he runs away and Hides .
He also does not follow the OAHI/CAHPI bylaws Try #10 Bill
To use one of his famous phrases ( " Please do not let the door hit you in the ***** on your way out ").
In Spite of what Bill tries to make others think I do not dislike him at all, in fact I do respect Bill and he gave me much help many years ago when I first started .
I am disapointed in some of the things he does but Hate not even a little bit.
He also said I was the best supporter of his CANUK list there was .
My how time changes things .
Roy Cooke

[rwand1]

Bill was on Record in the Sarnia paper a while back stating that all 5,000 inspectors would be certified by 2007. Or words to that affect. I will try and find the article. BTW the article remained uncorrected by CAHPI, knowing the info to be incorrect. No kidding!

[rwand1]

Does this mean no one is interested in a reduced price for National Certification?

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by rwand1

Does this mean no one is interested in a reduced price for National Certification?

Close I think many have seen through the self appointed few and realize it is nothing!!!!!!
I would not be surprised to see OAHI say the same thing at their conference next week.

I do think the CMI is much more valuable by far.

Roy Cooke

[wjung]

Roy,
I seem to recall some form of statement like you indicated from Bill as well. There was also something stated by Bill to the effect that by the end of 2005 or 6 NACHI would irrelevant or dead or something like that. I think it would help all if you or Ray could dig up some of those statements and just post them for all to see, because Bill will never admit to making them. As we can see he is again having one of his meltdowns and taking his pail and shovel to play in another sandbox. Typical, many of us have seen it several time in the past.

Wolf

[alarsen1]

Originally Posted by rwand1

Okay, let me ask this...

How many would subscribe to the National if the price were reduced for Certification to say between $350-$400?

Perhaps just a point of clarification, but I haven't inferred from any of the CAHPI (national) literature that this is a "subscription" (or membershuip due) to belong to them. That would imply annual membership dues. My "take" on it is that they are not recruiting "members" per se, rather overseeing the National Certification Process - and that if you want to be a member of an organization like NACHI, CAHPI(BC), ASHI, that you would still join whichever club you like.

As for the cost being $400 or $1100 - I have no idea what the net cost is to process a warm body, but I can imagine that it takes a few dollars to set up and create the whole process, that that it ain't cheap.

[wjung]

Bill,
as you are well aware, I do not post often nor do I try to get myself involved in any pissing contests here. However, following one of your justifications for the vast fee difference to become nationally certified (CAHPI member have payed for and supported the development the NC since its inception where others have not), which frankly I find hogwash I specifically asked you what the fees would be for individuals who have contributed for years (in my case 10 years), but have chosen to stop their support and/or membership in a supporting organization. You stated that there should be consideration for past contributions and you would personally find out and get back to me with an answer regarding NC fees for such individuals. I believe that was some time back late last year, but I have never received an answer from you todate. How about really trying to find the answer, I would really love to hear back from you.

Wolf

[rwand1]

According to an article in the December 19th Business Buzz section of the London Free Press, Bill Mullen, owner of Bluewater Home Inspection in Sarnia, Ontario has been named to head a national program which is set to begin certifying home inspectors in Canada in 2006.

The program is a joint project involving Canada Mortgage Housing Corporation, Human Resource and Skills Development Canada, the Canadian Federal Ministry of Housing, and the Canadian Association of Home and Property Inspectors (CAHPI) and is the culmination of 8 years of effort aimed at educating, assessing and certifying about 5,000 Canadian inspectors under the umbrella of CAHPI. So far, preparations have cost more than $2,000,000 (CN).

Mullen will oversee the implementation phase of the program and will direct the certification process of individual practitioners and the accreditation of educational institutions involved in training. The target is to have all practicing inspectors in Canada certified by the end of 2007.

Mullen has been an inspector for 13 years and has held positions on the boards of both the Ontario Association of Home Inspectors (OAHI) and its counterpart CAHPI.

For more information about this program, including a breakdown of the core skills of home inspectors and details of the actual certification process, visit the CAHPI website.

Fwiw that article was never corrected by CAHPI.

[rwand1]

CAHPI has been paying the freight for years, so they get a reduced fee for National Certification while new comers and others must pay far more.

The fact is that provincial affiliates have paid monies to CAHI / CAHPI National. The dues were raised by individual members, not the association itself. In fact, the designate so many dollars per member to be paid to CAHI / CAHPI national. But wait...doesn't the National need monies to run their machine also? Of course, so not all monies sent in were designated for National Certification.

Why not be fair about this...

If someone has been a member continuously of a CAHPI affiliate say for:

10 Years or more- the National Certification is $X

5-10 Years - the NC is $Y

Les than 5 Years - the NC is $Z

Also...

If a P2P franchisee - $A (they contributed money up front...or do they already have a special rate?)

If a C&D employee - $B (they contributed money up front...or do they already have a special rate?)

If a Alliance of Canadian Building Officials Association (ACBOA) member - either $X, $Y, or $Z (see member of CAHPI member affiliate above unless they already have a special rate?)

If a AFN member - either $X, $Y, or $Z (see member of CAHPI member affiliate above, unless they already have a special rate?)

If Afro-Canadian - $C

If Asian-Canadian - $D

If a bad inspector - $E

If a P. Eng or CET - $F

If under 5' 4" - $G

If over 5'4" - $H

If you've had long haired canine for more than 3 years - $I

If own any other pet - $J

If a NACHI member - (X + Y+ Z) + 3(A+B) + 7(E + F) + 2(C + D + G + H) - 0.5(I +J)

You know what, let's make this simple...

People in CAHI / CAHPI / PACHI / WAPI / BCIPI / ASHI / NACHI and those non-aligned (the primary focus for creating the National Initiative in the first place - to bring together ALL inspectors across Canada) should pay based on their contribution to the inspection industry to date. Let's base the fee on years in business...period! Failing which, everyone should pay the same...National Certification is meaningless without everyone's participation likely, so charge everyone the same today...bump the fee later if necessary.