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Old 1/22/07, 8:32 AM
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by Cam Allen L.I.W., R.H.I.® cam.allen@sympatico.ca




NATIONAL CERTIFICATION FOR




HOME INSPECTORS BEGINS
Iam going to dispense with my usual question and answer this week in order to answer a comment that I get
constantly from Home Buyers. “Why are Home Inspectors not licensed?” The answer is complex so I will start with a brief history of the National Certification Program, how it works, who can apply and how it affects
today’s homebuyer.
In the mid 1990’s, Central Mortgage and Housing Canada (CMHC) did a survey to find out why the Home Inspection industry was so fractured and why the numbers of problems with the actual inspectors themselves were surfacing in such large numbers.
They arrived at a shocking conclusion, the majority of home inspectors were
poorly trained, lacked education and many were in the industry for a quick dollar.
About this time Provincial Associations like the Ontario Association of
Home Inspectors (OAHI) and the Provincial Association of Certified Home Inspectors (PACHI) organized and they set minimum standards for membership.
These standards included education and training and a number of members entering the industry were licensed trades, engineers and experienced
contractors.
Unfortunately the provincial associations lacked either the “clout” or the
desire to gather everyone doing home inspections and over the past ten years many have “Hung out the Shingle” and called themselves Home Inspectors.
Fast forward to the late 90’s and the Construction Sector Council working with CMHC decided to form a group call the Canadian Home Inspectors and Building Officials (CHIBO) The mandate they were charged with was developing a national standard for all Private and Public Building Officials, including the First Nations Building Officials.
This process began in earnest and by 2001 the CHIBO program was announced. It went thru additional years of development and fine-tuning
and each sector then took their document and began to organize
a National Program.
The former Canadian Association of Home Inspectors became the
Canadian Association of Home and Property Inspectors (CAHPI).
In Ontario OAHI & PACHI joined and then became CAHPI Ontario.
CAHPI then began to set up the private Home Inspectors
program and the National Certification Authority (NCA) was formed.
This board which operates at arms length from CAHPI was mandated to begin
the process of introducing the National Certification Program that would become standard right across Canada.
This Program received over 2 million dollars of support from CMHC

to ensure the program succeeded.
About 2 years ago the program Coordinator and National Examiner positions were finally set and then the call went out to established reputable inspectors across Canada to form up the Regional Examiners Group.
A Pilot Program to “work the bugs out” was completed in 2006,
over a 100 inspectors from coast to coast were processed and
starting this past week the national program was opened up
to every home inspector in Canada.
Now that the program is open to all home inspectors in Canada, the NCA expects an initial rush of applications and over the next 12-18 months the
ranks of National Certificate Holders should swell into the thousands from Coast to Coast.

CMHC is now recommending National Certificate Holders on their web site and if you call them for information about Homes Inspectors.
The Mortgage Companies, Home Insurance Companies and the Real Estate Profession across Canada will likely begin to recommend National Certificate Holders.
CAHPI & and the Canadian Real Estate Association have already had numerous discussions on how this process will happen.
A number of Canadian Banks have already expressed interest in this program. CAHPI realizes we need to have a representative pool of inspectors in
every area across the country that are available for the homebuyer
to choose from.
Any present home inspector or someone who is interested in becoming a
home inspector can apply, no matter if he belongs to CAHPI or not.
All they have to do is go to www.cahpi.ca and click on the Application for Background Review.
There are multiple benefits to the Consumer who is considering a new home purchase.
It will mean the National Certificate Holder Home Inspector that arrives
at your prospective home will have completed a full background


review on his or her education, experience and training.
They will have to complete any upgrades or additional training that the NCA requires before they go forward to their test inspection and board review.
They will have been tested at an on-site inspection and then reviewed by a panel of NCA examiners ho are trained to review their inspection knowledge.
They will have to comply with a Canadian Code of Ethics and will be held to a standard of practise.
If the homebuyer has a complaint, there is now a formal method of review that the National Certification Inspector will be held accountable to.
This process is long overdue.
The days of the “Flashlight and Business Card” or the fancy lettered
truck and flashy tools home inspector that “looks past” the obvious because they don’t know or don’t care and are only interested in the real estate
referrals and the money is coming to the end.
I have had the pleasure of being involved with this for some time, now as a National Certificate Holder and a Regional Examiner.
If anyone has further questions or would like more in-depth information
on this tremendous advancement in the Home Inspection Industry,
send me an e-mail at cam.allen@sympatico.ca and I will gladly help any homebuyer or someone who wants to pursue


the home inspection business.

From the CAHPI web site

Fees
(All fees include 6% GST)


CAHPI-affiliated member
Initial application, including background review and one Test Inspection $ 530.00
Other

Initial application, including background review and one Test Inspection $1,166.00

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Old 1/22/07, 8:41 AM
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So by 'Certified' he is taling about Certified Master Inspector here right?
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Old 1/22/07, 8:46 AM
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Interesting read. Are Home Inspectors "Building Officials" under this program?

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Fast forward to the late 90’s and the Construction Sector Council working with CMHC decided to form a group call the Canadian Home Inspectors and Building Officials (CHIBO) The mandate they were charged with was developing a national standard for all Private and Public Building Officials, including the First Nations Building Officials
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Old 1/22/07, 9:53 AM
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Hello Roy,

If this is at arms length from CAHPI, why do you see such a diference in the cost of testing????????

Daryl
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Old 1/22/07, 10:04 AM
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Hello Roy,

If this is at arms length from CAHPI, why do you see such a diference in the cost of testing????????

Daryl
I don't and there are a lot more things that do not add up .
But if I ask questions Bill gets upset and says not nice things about me so I am trying to just sit and watch it fail by itself.
If you want send me private email and I will show you some more .

Roycooke@sympatico.ca

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Old 1/22/07, 12:21 PM
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Hello Roy,

If this is at arms length from CAHPI, why do you see such a diference in the cost of testing????????

Daryl
Hi Daryl:

It's not just the cost of 'testing'. There are many costs involved including administration, many hours of reviewing individual Applications for Background Reviews, office space, meeting rooms, travel and the actual costs with the Test Inspections with Peer Review.

It is at arm's length from CAHPI. The reason that CAHPI members get the lower rate is that they have already paid heavily into the plan, helping to pay the costs of development and creating the processes now in use. The difference between the two rates doesn't even come close to covering the cost per person that has been paid by CAHPI members.

Another reason for the difference is that it is much easier for the Certification Council to assess applications from CAHPI members because most of their information is already on file with provincial associations. This could have also been done with NACHI but CAHPI's requests for cooperation were refused by the NACHI leadership. The Certification Council therefore has no official yardstick by which it can measure how NACHI's requirements match up against the requirements of the NCP.

The National Certification program is a very in depth assessment of an inspector's knowledge, training and expertise. There is no grandfathering or 'rubber-stamping'. Everyone must prove they have done what they say they have done. This kind of rigor takes time and money, but the end result is a group of people who can validly state that they have been closely screened and tested. This differs from the CMI in which several people were instantly certified merely by writing a cheque and even now that even though the CMI requirements have strengthened, there are no checks and balances to verify what an applicant states or claims.

Bill Mullen

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Old 1/22/07, 12:29 PM
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What is MCI have never heard of this Who puts it out .
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Now that the program is open to all home inspectors in Canada, the NCA expects an initial rush of applications and over the next 12-18 months the ranks of National Certificate Holders should swell into the thousands from Coast to Coast.
Really! That doesn't appear to be the case in Ontario from what I am hearing. There appears to be apathy by many in OAHI to participate. Is that true?

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If the homebuyer has a complaint, there is now a formal method of review that the National Certification Inspector will be held accountable to.
Is this something new? I haven't heard anything about this.
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Really! That doesn't appear to be the case in Ontario from what I am hearing. There appears to be apathy by many in OAHI to participate. Is that true?

Not true. The members of CAHPI Ontario have only known about the invitation to apply and already there is quite a pile of applications in the office. Like anything else, I don't expect an instant buy-in, but I'm pretty plased with what I see so far.


Is this something new? I haven't heard anything about this.
The 'formal method of review' is the TIPR and background review. If an incpector messes up, he is held accountable because he has gone through this process and must live up to his credentials.

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Bill:
You talk about measuring up to the education standards acceptable to the NAC.
I get the impression there is an established "skill set" but no one has stated what that is. Care to share?
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I get the impression there is an established "skill set" but no one has stated what that is. Care to share?
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The 'skill set' that is used as a standard is the National Occupational Standards' (NOS) that were developed in 2001. (Attached) The educational requirements are the courses we take need to cover all of the tasks, etc. in the NOS. If the courses and seminars you took cover those things, and if those courses and seminars are on the official accredited list of approved courses, your education will qualify.

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Bill, it still seems like a lot of thrashing around, churning of paper mills and endless meetings just to address what appears to be a 3% failure rate of home inspectors. There are many industries that would love to 'endure' that failure rate!

How can you justify to an average home inspector that he plunk down $1,500 to participate in an entirely voluntary programme that is designed to correct a problem that apparently does not exist? Surely there must be more cost effective ways of dealing with this minute 3% or less failure rate without setting up such a vast bureaucracy?

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Bill, it still seems like a lot of thrashing around, churning of paper mills and endless meetings just to address what appears to be a 3% failure rate of home inspectors. There are many industries that would love to 'endure' that failure rate!

How can you justify to an average home inspector that he plunk down $1,500 to participate in an entirely voluntary programme that is designed to correct a problem that apparently does not exist? Surely there must be more cost effective ways of dealing with this minute 3% or less failure rate without setting up such a vast bureaucracy?

( I know, "Stop calling me Shirley!")
I don't have to justify it. To me a 3% problem is too high. Heck, a 1% problem rate is too high when it exptrapolates to over 1000 unsatisfied people. It's voluntary and you can pay it or not. ($ 1166. not $ 1500.)

I may be alone over here, and it sure seems like I'm the only one who wants it, but I would sure like to see our industry become a profession, start looking and acting like a profession and start being treated like a profession. That is never going to happen as long as everyone sets their own standards.

That can only happen when we follow a well researched and documented set of Occupational Standards and take courses that have been proven to cover the things we need to know.

But hey, that's just me...plus an awful lot of outsiders in government, real estate associations, banking groups, the legal community, insurers, etc.

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It sure is going to be interesting to see what is scheduled for the AGM. I think that might be more defining of whats in the cards. Then again maybe not.
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It sure is going to be interesting to see what is scheduled for the AGM. I think that might be more defining of whats in the cards. Then again maybe not.
The AGM is going to be very interesting, well worth the price of admission as they say. I expect things in Ontario will look much different after the AGM.

That's all I can say because I don't want to tip my hand.

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