Cams Artical on the NATIONAL CERTIFICATION

[rwand1]

Bill it certainly seems that certain individuals who are non elected are running the show and dictating actions that don't jive with the by-laws or what the by-laws permit or don't permit. Why would the BOE feel it can excert its authority when those directions contravene the by-laws? These same people are putting together by-law revisions to be discussed at the AGM. I am afraid that this clique is going to pull a fast one like they tried a few years ago with by-law admendments that were draconian, contrary to law and the Charter, and were meant to deny anyone the opportunity to speak out let alone seek redress within OAHI. Now these same people are going to try it again and hoodwink the membership.

Bill you and I both know there are two camps in OAHI. One camp doesn't want anything to do with the National, and will use what ever means to thwart it, and the other camp who support the National because they as members of OAHI are fed up with internal fighting, games, and actions that are not supported by the by-laws.

I sure hope everyone is aware of the short comings and the lack of performance of the current board, already OAHI has breached its own word. The 45 day notice of documents prior to AGM has just come and gone. Where are the minutes and the financial info that has been witheld all year? If this is OAHI is going to conduct its affairs then the National in OAHI is going to have a problem, because like Nachi members there are a good number in OAHI who see it as a duplication.

Just my views Bill, not to be antagonistic. The whole industry in Ontario is a joke thanks to a few who have hijacked and put their personal stamps on the way things run, and I am not talking the National here.

Cheers,

[Bill Mullen]

Originally Posted by rwand1

Bill it certainly seems that certain individuals who are non elected are running the show and dictating actions that don't jive with the by-laws or what the by-laws permit or don't permit. Why would the BOE feel it can excert its authority when those directions contravene the by-laws? These same people are putting together by-law revisions to be discussed at the AGM. I am afraid that this clique is going to pull a fast one like they tried a few years ago with by-law admendments that were draconian, contrary to law and the Charter, and were meant to deny anyone the opportunity to speak out let alone seek redress within OAHI. Now these same people are going to try it again and hoodwink the membership.

Bill you and I both know there are two camps in OAHI. One camp doesn't want anything to do with the National, and will use what ever means to thwart it, and the other camp who support the National because they as members of OAHI are fed up with internal fighting, games, and actions that are not supported by the by-laws.

I sure hope everyone is aware of the short comings and the lack of performance of the current board, already OAHI has breached its own word. The 45 day notice of documents prior to AGM has just come and gone. Where are the minutes and the financial info that has been witheld all year? If this is OAHI is going to conduct its affairs then the National in OAHI is going to have a problem, because like Nachi members there are a good number in OAHI who see it as a duplication.

Just my views Bill, not to be antagonistic. The whole industry in Ontario is a joke thanks to a few who have hijacked and put their personal stamps on the way things run, and I am not talking the National here.

Cheers,

There are problems in any and all associations, and while I agree that improvements could be made in OAHI/CAHPI Ontario, I don't feel the NACHI forum is the place for members of OAHI/CAHPI Ontario to discuss this.

I'm also not trying to be antagonistic, but this is the NACHI forum where NACHI matters should be discussed.

Bill Mullen

[George A. H. Luck]

"But hey, that's just me...plus an awful lot of outsiders in government, real estate associations, banking groups, the legal community, insurers, etc."

It is unfortunate that these people have been convinced that a 3% failure rate is a problem in the first place. This kind of failure rate would be the envy of many industries and many professionals and yet it is assumed that it is too high for home inspctions and warrants a multi million dollar cure.

It seems to many that the real problem is that this failure rate was not put into perspective, but was used as leverage to promote an imagined need for an unnecessary programme. The result has been that an important segment of the whole real estate / home inspection transaction has been convinced that our industry is full of unscrupulous, illeducated, fly by night untrustworthy louts bent on doing as little as possible for as much as they can extract from their clients.

And that just isn't so.

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by gluck

"But hey, that's just me...plus an awful lot of outsiders in government, real estate associations, banking groups, the legal community, insurers, etc."

It is unfortunate that these people have been convinced that a 3% failure rate is a problem in the first place. This kind of failure rate would be the envy of many industries and many professionals and yet it is assumed that it is too high for home inspctions and warrants a multi million dollar cure.

It seems to many that the real problem is that this failure rate was not put into perspective, but was used as leverage to promote an imagined need for an unnecessary programme. The result has been that an important segment of the whole real estate / home inspection transaction has been convinced that our industry is full of unscrupulous, illeducated, fly by night untrustworthy louts bent on doing as little as possible for as much as they can extract from their clients.

And that just isn't so.

I feel the same as you I to know of no other industry that would not be very pleased to only have a 3% rate .
I also wonder how many of this 3% are just those who are never satisfied .
I also wonder is it some who have friend who is a lawyer who says Hey lets see what we can get out of this .
I see those lawyers every night on the TV add for more work do you have a slow learner it could be from lead paint ,it could be mould, .
Just look at the Fox Network and they seem to get many.
Like every thing else more information is needed to make a decision .

Roy Cooke

[George A. H. Luck]

Point well taken Roy. We don't have a break down of that 3% so we don't know how many of the "problems" are major and how many are minor. The real failure rate, that is problems that are not frivolous and ended up with some form of remediation may be and probably is somewhat less than 3%.
This makes Darrell's admonition "If it ain't broke, then don't fix it!" all the more apropos.

[Claude Lawrenson]

Lets back up a moment - please!
What is the source of that 3% figure?
Summary OHIO Survey
Real estate agents: 15% of H.I. reports are inadequate
Homeowners: 13% later discovered problems in the home
Overall rating of H.I. satisfaction: 8 to 8.5 out of 10

I believe there is room for improvement. If we are at 3% than we are well on track.

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Today a realestate Agent told me that the Past President of OREA is now employed for one of the Canadian Associations .
I was told her name is Laura Leyser.

She then procceeded to tell me she was a Director on the Board .
She had other things to say.
I feel it would be better to get the correct information from some one who might know.
More information would be appreciated .

Thanks Roy Cooke

[Gill Strachan]

Originally Posted by gluck

Point well taken Roy. We don't have a break down of that 3% so we don't know how many of the "problems" are major and how many are minor. The real failure rate, that is problems that are not frivolous and ended up with some form of remediation may be and probably is somewhat less than 3%.
This makes Darrell's admonition "If it ain't broke, then don't fix it!" all the more apropos.

This, from a fellow who also doubts the legitimacy or relevance of global warming. Anyway, if you ever find the time to actually look at the NCP in its entire scope, you will finally realize how silly and weenie-like your PiNACHIo point of view is.

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by Gill Strachan

This, from a fellow who also doubts the legitimacy or relevance of global warming. Anyway, if you ever find the time to actually look at the NCP in its entire scope, you will finally realize how silly and weenie-like your PiNACHIo point of view is.

Gil is one who is one who took the NC and now has a membership Number he is trying to show others how smart he is to have spent the effort and time to do the test.
Gil also is a close friend of Cam's and what ever Cam says Gil agrees .
Many remember the White Paper that Cam wrote but it was Gil who sent out the original copies that many read.
This showed Just how unethical CAHPI/OAHI was and still are .
Gil talks about CAHPI/OAHI well he was a member also and did not renew his membership as he to could see how they did not and do not give out to the membership the true Statement of how and where they spend their money.
Gil also has not posted where CAHPI and CAHPI/OAHI are in serious
disagreement on the National Certification .
They both want to have control and do not want the members to have any say.

Gil is so desperate for work he frequently lowers his price if asked and also gives free wett inspections to get more work .
I guess he likes working longer and harder for less money.
http://www.allaroundthehouse.com/
I wonder is this what you call a masochist.
Gil had every thing going for himself with NACHI till NICK caught on that he was trying to skim a lot of advertising money from NACHI.
I have heard it was around $35,000:00 talk about getting caught with you hand in the cookie gar Looks like Gil had the top half of his body in too..

This is a guy who loves NACHI so much he just can not stay away ,its called jealousy
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Roy Cooke

[rwand1]

Hey Gill

Any good ideas for the rest of us how to get kicked out of OAHI and how to rifle a cash register?

[Gill Strachan]

Oh my, my! You sly, crafty buggers! You got it all figured out who I am, and what happens at OAHI, and what's gonna happen to CAHPI. I suppose you know everything that's wrong at ASHI and NAHI as well? You guys got it all right, and everyone else in the world has it all wrong. Yup.
Ray, big fella, you are obsessed... and that's OK. Eveyone needs a hobby.
But that brain-dead, gibbering side-kick of yours is just too funny. We DO get a lot of belly-laughs over here, every time he lands on his keyboard.
By the way, what is that incessant bull about Strachan and the cash anyway? You two keep bring that up over and over again. What the f*ck are you babbling about? C'mon lay in on. Tell us a good story. I was around at the time, and I've hear a couple versions. Give us yours.
And... who told you Strachan got a CAHPI certificate? That alone, tells me you guys make up this sh*t as you go along.

[Gill Strachan]

Originally Posted by rcooke

Gil is so desperate for work he frequently lowers his price if asked and also gives free wett inspections to get more work .
I guess he likes working longer and harder for less money.
http://www.allaroundthehouse.com/
I wonder is this what you call a masochist.
Roy Cooke

So what are you, his freaking accountant? How would you know that anyway... the way you talk, you're a fly on every wall, ever minute of every day.

What is YOUR fee for a wett inspection?
Are you qualified to do wett inspections?
Do you even know what it is?

[rwand1]

Gill

Are you Registered and certified to rifle cash registers?

Btw you should ask your friend Cameron Allan about the OAHI financial situation or lack of info, after all Cam use to be Treasurer of Ontario and quit when he released he could be personally liable for the irregularities. I wonder how and what Cam will tell the members at the AGM after all he is seeking a position on the Board. I wonder if Cam will issue another White Paper or hide under the bed when it comes to standing up for something?

[Vern Mitchinson]

There's an old saying "figures don't lie, but lier's can figure"

The real number from the Ohio study was 1.3%.
More importantly the satification numbers were the same for the licensed and the non licensed states.
Government regulation did not improve anything. In fact the result of licensing was a decrease in the career average inspections performed.
A decrease in number of inspections performed means that the inspectors experience declined after licensing is enacted.

We've had this discussion before and before and before and before. Must be an Ontario thing!