Certified Canadian Home Inspector (CCHI)

[ROBERT V. YOUNG]

Originally Posted by jbushart

Correct.

Other associations need the numbers and cannot exist without conspectors.

Conspectors are full time contractors who inspect part time. Some do it because they are not good enough at their skill to stay busy and need inspections to supplement their income. Others use inspections as an illegitimate means of soliciting additional work.

Either case is unacceptable to NACHI ... but not so with lesser associations.

Thanks James.
I did not know that.
It is wrong and one should not being doing both.
Ca you list all the associations that allow this, practice your trade and conducting home inspections.. Anyone.
AT ARMS LENGTH will avoid any conflict of interest.
Great. Good ammo to use.

[ROBERT V. YOUNG]

(d) Remain independent and at arms length from any other business or personal interests which might affect the quality of the service provided; in particular:
You are allowed to wear 2 hats, going in to the inspections, right off the top Raymond.


(i) a member shall not repair for a fee " any condition found (not enough )" during an inspection, nor use the inspection as a vehicle to deliberately obtain work in another field;

Firstly COE acronym is conduit of ethics? I take it.
I find this confusing and a deliberate attempt to skirt an obvious issue.
The inspector wants to remain both parties with an open ended ability to seek work in both direction. It is itself a conflict of interest. Plain and simple.. Raymond.
In the thought of-remain independent and at arms length and (e) to deliberately obtain work.
But yet you can do work on non discovered or work asked for by the client like build me an extension.
As a professional every thing you do is deliberate.
In INACHI not being able to perform a service for 1 year covers it perfectly.
It is the truer from of AT ARMS LENGTH that will disrupt, avoid conflict, stop!! any member from free from advertising or marketing oneself on the job.
I read it that way.

[Wand Raymond]

You are allowed to wear 2 hats, going in to the inspections, right off the top Raymond.

How do you come to that conclusion? One must undertake the (Code of Ethics) prior to doing the inspection and abide by them.

any condition found
Seems quite succinct "any".

In INACHI not being able to perform a service for 1 year covers it perfectly.

Oh I see, you cannot perform the work immediately, but you can do it after 1 year has lapsed. That's very liberal.

So a client has a long closing and moves into the house 366 days after your inspection. Now the inspector comes along and says to his client, hey I am in the insulation biz and .... well... I know we spoke about inadequate insulation levels in the house ..., and I mentioned at that time that insulation installation is my side biz.

That's not only obtaining work, but that 12 month stipulation is a loophole. Any inspector worth his salt would not solicit nor perform any work on the house he inspected. Its still a conflict because you would not otherwise be in a position to gain that work had it not been for the inspection.

An inspector could also theoretically obtain work during the inspection and not actually do the work until one year has lapsed.

I don't believe you are looking at the intent of the COE of OAHI, but looking at the loose wording of the clause.

The InterNACHI member shall not perform or offer to perform, for an additional fee, any repairs or repair-associated services to the structure on which the member or member's company has prepared a home inspection report for a period of 12 months. This provision shall not include services to components and/or systems which are not included in the InterNACHI Standards of Practice.

3.1. Limitations
An inspection will not deal with aesthetic concerns or what could be deemed matters of taste, cosmetic defects, etc.

According to the wording it is okay for a Nachi member to do other work/servces such as repair/replace the appliances as example, or paint, or dig post holes for installation of a fence, dig a trench for pool installation?

Got your foot in the door via the inspection... wrong, wrong, wrong.

Just my take, but like many things I suppose its open to interpretation, but at the end of the day its a matter that will at some point be dealt with by a committee of your peers and they may likely come up with a finding that its a violation of the intent of the COE.

Cheers,

[Greg W. Mathias, CCHI]

I woulD never work on a home that I inspected. It creates to much controversy and looks like you are fishing on both sides of the boat. I live in a community that I framed homes in for 14 years. A lot of homes I inspect are the ones I framed. I feel it is my duty to my client to tell them. Be as open and honest and you can't go wrong.

[Brian A. MacNeish]

Originally Posted by ryoung7

(d) Remain independent and at arms length from any other business or personal interests which might affect the quality of the service provided; in particular:
You are allowed to wear 2 hats, going in to the inspections, right off the top Raymond.


(i) a member shall not repair for a fee " any condition found (not enough )" during an inspection, nor use the inspection as a vehicle to deliberately obtain work in another field;

Firstly COE acronym is conduit of ethics? I take it.
I find this confusing and a deliberate attempt to skirt an obvious issue.
The inspector wants to remain both parties with an open ended ability to seek work in both direction. It is itself a conflict of interest. Plain and simple.. Raymond.
In the thought of-remain independent and at arms length and (e) to deliberately obtain work.
But yet you can do work on non discovered or work asked for by the client like build me an extension.
As a professional every thing you do is deliberate.
In INACHI not being able to perform a service for 1 year covers it perfectly.
It is the truer from of AT ARMS LENGTH that will disrupt, avoid conflict, stop!! any member from free from advertising or marketing oneself on the job.
I read it that way.

Not at all!!

We get to know our clients a bit as we deal with them over a few days from the first call to the end of discussion about our findings. In the above scenario, we may learn that they plan to do work such as a renovation a year or 2 into the future......and can then tell them that we also have a construction/renovation company as another business thus beginning the solicitation of business at the inspection.....all still OK by the INACHI COE!!

Other associations that I know of do not allow working on the home as long as you are a member and practicing HI!!

[Greg W. Mathias, CCHI]

For once I agree with Brian. F you inspect it, don't renovate it. I get lots of requests from previous clients but I turn them all down. It creates to much conflict in my opinion!

[Brian A. MacNeish]

Originally Posted by gmathias1

I woulD never work on a home that I inspected. It creates to much controversy and looks like you are fishing on both sides of the boat. I live in a community that I framed homes in for 14 years. A lot of homes I inspect are the ones I framed. I feel it is my duty to my client to tell them. Be as open and honest and you can't go wrong.

Bought the HI company I own in 1985 while operating a multifacted building services company in a small town of 5,000. The HI customer base was 30 miles away in a city of 60-70,000. We kept the operations separate and never advertised HI in the small town where we employed up to 13 at busy times.

Occasionally we would get a call from town* to our city HI operation to inspect a house we had worked on......always told the client that we had a small conflict of interest in the property: "We had previously worked on that house." In some cases, we got a happy response that the potential client "knew who we were and that already made them feel better about the house!!"

*BTW, I go back there for an inspection tomorrow while my wife visits her best friend of 43 years and then we have dinner afterwards with my daughter who's doing research at the univeristy there. Have been away from that town for 19 years now and still get 4-5 inspections there every year!! A chance to visit and make some $$$$.

[Greg W. Mathias, CCHI]

I let the client know that I framed it before ever stepping a foot onto the property. I have never had a problem but I do add it to my contract. It reads " Home was framed by the inspector. Client has been informed of this. Please initial___________".

[ROBERT V. YOUNG]

Originally Posted by Brian A. MacNeish

Not at all!!

We get to know our clients a bit as we deal with them over a few days from the first call to the end of discussion about our findings. In the above scenario, we may learn that they plan to do work such as a renovation a year or 2 into the future......and can then tell them that we also have a construction/renovation company as another business thus beginning the solicitation of business at the inspection.....all still OK by the INACHI COE!!


Other associations that I know of do not allow working on the home as long as you are a member and practicing HI!!

Brian I am starting to keep files on associations and other related material again.
I lost everything I had months back. Maid encrypted everything I had in my HDD'S including backups.
I have to start from scratch again.
Could you give me those names please I would appreciate it.

[ROBERT V. YOUNG]

Originally Posted by Wand Raymond

Which associations allow such activities? I know for a fact that is not tolerated in any association in Canada and is strictly verboten as per the COE.

Only way I can contact you Ray.
I hope you come back. Please!!!
Anyway.
You sent me correspondence last year.
I will leave it at that.
I would appreciate the information again. I lost everything.
Maid encrypted my HHD's everything. Backup.
Taken me months to put everything back together.
Would love to have that information again.