Certified Master Inspector coming to Ontario in a big way.

[ROBERT V. YOUNG]

Russell, Nick is just making a point.
Do not hold it so close to your heart for judgement Mr.Hensel.
I did not say INACHI was not worth the money and your education should be $5400. Never once did I say that.
Nick knows you are pro InterNACHI. I Think you are a good HI.
And do not give him any ideas about raising the fees. HA HA HA HA.

[KEVIN WOOD]

There is one thing I do not agree with when it comes to the "InterNachi."
There should be a way to promote the beginners without having competition.
This is where the marketing of HI fails in all cities.
If you can start out in the first year after basic requirements you are going to fail and this hurts the business of HI. However if you had to be mentored by 3 year HI with no complaints then you might be able to make a go of it only after continuing to learn with diligence and passion.
This is where the city would need to change and have respect for InterNachi inspectors or any organization with very few complaints. Even the "Code Officials" don't like what they do because bare minimum does not protect people just like bare minimum education has never protected people and in some cases has created the mess we see today.
Having the backing of the Government is essential to the success in protecting the public. This is what every good HI wants.

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

(" Having the backing of the Government is essential to the success in protecting the public. This is what every good HI wants. ")

No way do I see any advantage for the Government to get involved .

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by kwood

Having the backing of the Government is essential to the success in protecting the public. This is what every good HI wants.

"Good" inspectors are able to operate quite well without government "backing".

Always remember that the government controls that are supported by "good" home inspectors are designed to "protect the consumer" from his competitor ... not from him.

[ROBERT V. YOUNG]

Mr.Wood There is everything you need and more at INACHI.
There are a million and 1 promotional ideas-and places to go.
Its the rubber hitting the road that makes all the difference in the world.
This is not an agency.
Time to promote yourself sir. No holding hands now.
You are in the REAL WORLD OF BUSINESS.
Remember 80 percent of all small business fails within its first 18 months of opening.
Do not quite your day job.

[KEVIN WOOD]

Roy:

I was referring to the respect of what a real HI needs to go through to be a "Professional Certified Inspector" not just licensed.
If I had it my way I would like to see a minimum of 5-year veteran but not all cities have this kind of inspector with a good name.
Thus the SSM has listed 20 doing part Inspections with no SOP.
How dump is this.
Courts are full of frivolous law suites.
Since you guys no more than me maybe you should look yourself and see what is happening here.
I just had a discussion with the "Chief Electrical Safety Authority"
Not going to mention names but many inspectors are afraid to call anything.
Does this help in the HI business.

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by kwood

Roy:

I was referring to the respect of what a real HI needs to go through to be a "Professional Certified Inspector" not just licensed.
If I had it my way I would like to see a minimum of 5-year veteran but not all cities have this kind of inspector with a good name.
Thus the SSM has listed 20 doing part Inspections with no SOP.
How dump is this.
Courts are full of frivolous law suites.


Since you guys no more than me maybe you should look yourself and see what is happening here.
I just had a discussion with the "Chief Electrical Safety Authority"
Not going to mention names but many inspectors are afraid to call anything.
Does this help in the HI business.

(" Courts are full of frivolous law suites. ")
These will only stop when the Insurance companies quit paying them of . My son and a good friend where involved and the insurance company paid them off.
Well with the deductable it cost the insurance company zero and they raised the rates because they had a claim.
Untill these frivilious cases are taken to court and the wrong doer is held up to pay it will only carry on ..
I know of one that has dragged on for 10 months and could drag on past the two year mark and die .

[KEVIN WOOD]

Robert V Young:

You don't even know what you are talking about.
The Real Estates here are the ones causing the trouble but they have no choice. There are about 100 listed if not more. When the house does not sell they make nothing. How can they take pride in recommending a good home inspector? The ones that recommend me are because of the hassles from other HI's but they still stand to loose more money because of defects found.
My clients and agents love my reports because they are easy to follow and access not because they help them make more money.

[ROBERT V. YOUNG]

Originally Posted by kwood

Robert V Young:

You don't even know what you are talking about.
The Real Estates here are the ones causing the trouble but they have no choice. There are about 100 listed if not more. When the house does not sell they make nothing. How can they take pride in recommending a good home inspector? The ones that recommend me are because of the hassles from other HI's but they still stand to loose more money because of defects found.
My clients and agents love my reports because they are easy to follow and access not because they help them make more money.

oops.
I well retain again. Sorry.
I knew I was doing something wrong.
Thanks mate.

[ROBERT V. YOUNG]

Originally Posted by Wand Raymond

http://www.nachi.org/forum/f48/home-...toronto-61223/

Raymond, the above is the main reason I am holding me back from joining other Canadian associations.
Again you have the knowledge and depth to seek the truth.
As you explained to me before ( follow the money tail ).
Now you know why I staked out ACHI as a transparent entity.
I wanted a transparent Canadian association to call home.

[Ralph A. Schade]

No opinions on my question?

[George A. H. Luck]

"What are the chances that the CMI designation won't be recognized in Ontario? I apologize, but am just playing devil's advocate here. I have some biased sources that claim that it may not be."

'Recognized' by whom?

I imagine that those 'biased sources' recently tried to mobilize the real estate industry to force their version of licensing down our throats and are now trying to have themselves and their organizations installed as the 'government backed' arbiter or who will and who will not be an approved Home Inspector. Let's not forget that the Ontario government has stated clearly time and again that there is no interest in licensing in Ontario. But at every turn this same group of "Industry leaders" is constantly trying to have themselves installed as king makers in our industry.

How many inspectors have to say "NO!" how many times before they go away?

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by rschade

What are the chances that the CMI designation won't be recognized in Ontario? I apologize, but am just playing devil's advocate here. I have some biased sources that claim that it may not be.

We have listened to some self appointed associations running down NACHI and its members for about 8 years .
Same group same tune and they do little to nothing for our Industry,
Many of us have pleaded asked and tried to get us all to help one another .
It is so unfortunate they have refused non stop .
I am sure if we all got helping this industry In Ontario it would have been great.
I expect our government would love to have the inspectors look out for this industry .
NACHI has been the only one to step up to the plate and allow open communications for our industry in Canada.
Personally I expect like Alberta there could be a good chance CMIs will excepted . .... Roy

http://www.certifiedmasterinspector.org/cmi/cantrademark.html

http://www.certifiedmasterinspector.org/cmi/index.htm

http://www.globaltvedmonton.com/Home+inspectors+Alberta+will+licensed+under+regula tions/4773867/story.html

[ROBERT V. YOUNG]

I agree. CMI will be received in Ontario.
As for Same group same tune and they do little to nothing for our Industry,
Yourself and other associations members ( ACHI ) INVESTED YOUR TIME AND PATIENTS BY UPDATING ME ON THE CANADIAN INDUSTRY AS A WHOLE.
THAT WAS MY MAIN QUEST,
THE ANSWERS TO MY QUESTIONS DID NOT COME AS A SURPRISE.,
THIS THE IS WAY THE CANADIAN INDUSTRY IS BROKEN.
IT HAS NO TRANSPARENCY.
I started 7 years ago after seeing the home inspection industry involved in collusion with others entities.
A small start-up insurance company.
That is why I am here and have set my company mission towards education and transparency in the residential market place.
I thank all free thinkers like yourself, Raymond, George, Garry, Vern, Marcel, yes Claude L.,Mr. Boyd, and several Quebec members so please excuse me if names some out. I would not be half the man I am today without your help. NO JOKE.
Nick is of course the " KING".

One association popped up continuously.and the long road to become a CHI.
One name popes up continually and then it all started to make sense.
One thing I would bet on ( if I where a betting man ) is that CMI will be accepted.
It is AT ARMS LENGTH to all and any other relationships that would make it bias and not productive to the industry as a whole.
Just my opinion.