Congrats to Claude Lawrenson, MICB's newest CMI.

[Nick Gromicko]

http://www.certifiedmasterinspector.org/cmi/on.html

[rwand1]

Congratulations Claude!

Have you told Oahi yet?

Continued success.

[Rob A. Parker]

Congrats Claude and welcome to the group.

[Claude Lawrenson]

BTW: many thanks to those that sent their congrats

On the issue of OAHI - I am not breaking any law or association requirement.
Cheers, Claude

[rwand1]

Gee according to Steve Maxwell being a cowboy in anyother association is a no-no.

According to Mr. Lloyd its also a no-no to use CHI, or even belong to an associaton which bases entry requirements on web examinations. I thought he was very clear on how he felt about Nachi members, Nick and Nachi. Or maybe he is just a moron because he doesn't like me, but diguises that fact because I happen to belong to OAHI, and Nachi and he could never prove anything he ever attempted to pin on me!

We know its not against the law Claude, but I don't think anyone told Mr. Lloyd that, he seems to be on another page all the time!

:m rgreen::mrg reen::mrgre en::shock :

[Claude Lawrenson]

I believe that there are "cowboys" out there! However, where I beg to differ is the difference between those that are properly trained and have "reasonable" knowledge and experience to do the job, versus those that become "instantly" certified. This not association based - this is not meant as a slam against an association either.

This issue transcend the bounds of associations. It about validation and verification to assure that people are not operating and taking advantage of the situation offered to them that impacts others. This about those that have earned the right to a title or designation. Those having been around long enough realize the difference. I am talking more specifically about those that often seem to look for the shortcuts, are here today, and gone tomorrow. Or they operate in a way to re-invent their new company tomorrow. Those are the irresponsible ones that give this sector a "bad name", or a "cowboy" titled reference.

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Some how some thing seems strange how Claude you direct your thoughts about NACHI and also the CMI .
I have never seen you say any thing about OAHI who allow and encourage the beginner Home Inspector to go out and do up to 200 inspections before they have to take an exam.
How about just a little fair play .

Cookie

[rwand1]

Claude,

Just remember regardless of affiliation the cowboys are out there. I know several in OAHI and they are on the management level and some are on the Committee level.

[George A. H. Luck]

"However, where I beg to differ is the difference between those that are properly trained and have "reasonable" knowledge and experience to do the job, versus those that become "instantly" certified. This not association based - this is not meant as a slam against an association either.

This issue transcend the bounds of associations. It about validation and verification to assure that people are not operating and taking advantage of the situation offered to them that impacts others. This about those that have earned the right to a title or designation."

Inspectors who have been successfully in the business for a number of years have already proven their competence and do not need to return to the class room to prove to a group of their fellow inspectors that they know what they are doing. Their business history proves it. Anything else is unwanted meddling in the affairs of a privately owned and operated business.

[Marcel Gratton]

Originally Posted by clawrenson

It about validation and verification to assure that people are not operating and taking advantage of the situation offered to them that impacts others. This about those that have earned the right to a title or designation.

Claude,

Being a *CMI*, what are your thoughts about only signing a Notary affidavit to validate its requirements? Do you think that people are honest enough to be trusted to walk the walk and talk the talk?

Me think that cheaters only cheat themselves!

Some may thinks that its not enough but where do you draw the line and at what cost? Cheaters will always find ways to beat the system regardless of what system is in place.

This reminds me of a colleague who on the Canuck HI's shared with us of some association member registering for a course and leaving to do inspection (s) only to return to sign the attendance sheet for his CEU credits. And commenting how stupid people are to stay for the course while money could be made...

[rwand1]

Marcel

Those cowboys in OAHI are something else!

[Marcel Gratton]

Ray,

As you said on previous post, regardless of affiliation the cowboys are out there.

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by mgratton

Claude,

Being a *CMI*, what are your thoughts about only signing a Notary affidavit to validate its requirements? Do you think that people are honest enough to be trusted to walk the walk and talk the talk?

Me think that cheaters only cheat themselves!

Some may thinks that its not enough but where do you draw the line and at what cost? Cheaters will always find ways to beat the system regardless of what system is in place.

This reminds me of a colleague who on the Canuck HI's shared with us of some association member registering for a course and leaving to do inspection (s) only to return to sign the attendance sheet for his CEU credits. And commenting how stupid people are to stay for the course while money could be made...

You make me so happy I had the same thing happen and this person now is one of those in OAHI who is trying to control our destiny.
We where doing a all day course.
It goes back to Cheaters and liars never change .
he is also one of those who was fast tracted into getting his RHI
.......Cookie

[Brian A. MacNeish]

Originally Posted by gluck

Inspectors who have been successfully in the business for a number of years have already proven their competence and do not need to return to the class room to prove to a group of their fellow inspectors that they know what they are doing. Their business history proves it. Anything else is unwanted meddling in the affairs of a privately owned and operated business.

I beg to differ on these points. Some that have been in business for a few years may not have had a really good inspector follow them in most of their houses until 4-5-6-10 years later. I have found a couple of $10,000 misses in the past 1+1/2 years (K&T wire) not found by certified HI's (and I'm only a student/candidate). Their business history may prove that they can spin a good storey and market themselves.

One unaligned inspector in this area used to hire me to help him in commercial inspections ($800/day). Since I was "associated with him in the past", I've been getting 1-3 calls (last call was from an executive of an HI association) per year for the past 2-3 years looking for his address (which I do not know; ) so as to serve him with papers!!! There's fraudulent advertising in his "Yellow pages" but no one is pushing the issue (only a few know that the fraud exists but do we have time to push the issue into the courts)

[Claude Lawrenson]

Try again - who was fast tracked into getting their RHI?
Did you ever take write the ASHI Exams?
Did you ever undergo the peer review and test inspection? If so by whom?
Again - I would be careful in assuring fact from rumour.
Matter of fact have you even written and successfully completed the provincial building code exams for the Ontario Ministry of Housing?

Marcel - I agree - cheaters only cheat themself - but some may feel that they can fool others. A legal opinion from my lawyer, it is not worth the paper it is written on. It is a legal witness to a signature of information declared by the declarant. Be it true or be it false. How the hell would the notary or lawyer know the difference.

I have been asked to have a few forms notarized over the past year - and he keeps telling me its a waste of time and money. This process is never suitable for public records or government issued documents. But he indicates will gladly take it, if that is what some people demand as the test of validation.