Congratulations to PHPIO... Ontario's new home inspection association.

[Nick Gromicko]

Rob Parker nails it dead on.

An association relying on the sole benefit of use of its acronym is worthless. Letters mean nearly nothing.

[Brian A. MacNeish]

Originally Posted by gromicko

Brian, your logic is flawed. If length of time to join an association was responsible for number of members, ASHI would have them all... you can join ASHI in under 35 seconds.

No, Nick!! yours is; I never said length of time is the only factor!! Re-read!! Time, ease of obtaining full status "certification" and costs are what allow/drive/entice newbies to INACHI. The boards do draw them also as many are on the street in days to weeks not fully trained but "certified"!! Foisting these folks on the public is a travesty!!! They need the boards and bring stuff to the boards that make highly rated and successful HI's say things like:

"There are some dangerous "One Hour Certified" inspectors here"


"Brian, some of the questions on this message board are scary..!!!"

"I've seen some questions and comments even by older multiple certification guys that make me wonder!!!"



I don't know what the membership requirements are for NCP, PHPIO, or OAHI.

InterNACHI's are http://www.nachi.org/membership.htm

ASHI has none.

Well, we do!!

Membership Application Information PDF Format
One of the major goals involved in the development of CAHPI-Atlantic, has been to introduce a high degree of professionalism into the home inspection field. As with the trades and professions, it’s simply not reasonable to accept into our membership those who are not specifically trained for the inspection work involved.
Although sharing many commonalities, performing professional home inspections draws on a much broader field then simply having a background in one of the building trades. Clients, financial institutions, professional real estate personnel, professional builders, governments, and so forth, have and continue to insist on much more.
One of the steps adopted by CAHPI-Atlantic has been to ensure that all applicants are able to “bring something to the table” in terms of education and/or applicable background training if they wish to become involved in the professional home inspection field.
Therefore, before becoming a member of CAHPI-Atlantic, all potential applicants must submit proof of having a minimum of 12 points from the following:



Prior Certified training 5 Points

• a certificate indicating that the applicant has successfully completed the requirements for one of the certified trades

Full Recognized Home Inspection course 7 Points

• a certificate (copy) as proof of having completed the full (complete) home inspection course provided by such recognized training institutions such as Carson-Dunlop, Humber College, George Brown, and so forth.

New institutions will be recognized and added as the information becomes available. Generally, the outlets which advertise in magazines and on “blow ins” and mail outs are not acceptable to use for this requirement.



Errors & Omissions Insurance 4 Points

• proof of carrying current Errors & Omissions Insurance which covers home inspectors

Defect Recognition and Reporting Course 3 Points (ed: 3 day paid classroom course)

• successful completion of course
• copy of certificate required as proof

Successful Completion of the CAHPI or ASHI Exams 3 Points

• these exams can be written by contacting the appropriate association

50 Mentored Inspections 4 Points

• observing and/or helping with 50 or more full home inspections by a CAHPI member
• must provide written proof from the CAHPI RHI member (mentor)
• inspections observed as part of franchise training do not qualify

Report Verification: 2 Points

• For applicants who have already been involved with home inspection, they may send two of their reports to CAHPI-Atlantic for verification.

Franchise Training 3 Points

• Applicants who are part of a recognized franchise, may use their franchise training to account for three of the required points.

WETT 3 Points

• Applicants who are currently Wood Energy Technology Transfer (WETT) certified (ed: 3 or 5 day paid classroom course)

Building Official 3 Points

• Applicants who provide proof of past service as a building inspector to a city or municipality

AND......... acceptance into CAHPI Atlantic after meeting the points total gets you to the APPLICANT (or student) level only:

"CAHPI Atlantic has three categories of membership: Registered, Provisional, and Applicant."

No "walk-ins" or hand me the cheque here. Prove to us that you've already invested in yourself and want to move on with full seriousness!! The entrance committee/president are now considering increasing these requirements before next summer.

[bmullen]

Originally Posted by Rae Wand

Rob All you have to do to see who this association represents is by viewing the Founding Committee are all NCH, save one. http://www.phpio.ca/pressrelease.php

Raymond:

It's not a secret. Our Mission Statement makes it clear that PHPIO's main goal is to offer a clear path for any competent Ontario Home Inspector to become a National Certificate Holder.
That has not been available until now because the existing organizations refused to help their members in this regard.

Bill Mullen

[bmullen]

Originally Posted by rparker

I would consider joining this assocation but appears to me that you have to become NC to remain a member. This what would stop me I have no interest in the NC as I am already an RHI. In my opinion the only difference is the tiper and the cost of the NC. I find that no matter how many letters or numbers behind your name it makes no differance to the puplic or the agents. Price and the quality of the service provided make the differance.

And that's just fine, Rob. If you see no value in becoming an NCH, that's your right.
PHPIO is not a REPLACEMENT for OAHI, it is an ALTERNATIVE. It all depends what a person sees as the best things for himself.

Bill Mullen

[Nick Gromicko]

Bill, will PHPIO be seeking a seat in CAHPI?

Rae, give me your fax number, I will send you an ASHI application showing the only requirements they have are a valid credit card. We had a race at our InterNACHI chapter meeting... first one to join ASHI wins. We passed out blank ASHI applications. Winner filled out the application which required nearly nothing in 35 seconds. No experience necessary, no courses, no quizzes, no exams, no nothing. That is where I got the "you can join ASHI in 35 seconds" from. We blast out blank ASHI applications all over N. America and recommend that consumers and agents look for the ASHI logo so as to avoid diploma mill inspectors. Are you one?

[Nick Gromicko]

So Rae, you admit that ASHI has NO entrance requirements and that their full requirements consist of:

Taking an ethics quiz. Well since unethical inspectors can give ethical answers... that one is meaningless.

Taking the NHIE, the same low bar, minimum standard exam that many states use to license newbies... that one is meaningless.

Doing 50 inspections correctly or incorrectly so long as 5 of them are compliant with SOP. Well since there isn't a forms printer or report writing software company out there that creates non-compliant products, it is almost impossible to write an SOP non-compliant report... so that requirement is meaningless.

Meaningless full membership requirements.
No entrance requirements.

Thanks for clearing things about about diploma mill associations in our industry.

www.nachi.org/membership.htm

[Mario A. Kyriacou, CHI]

Originally Posted by wdevries

Thanks for the vote of confidence Nick, I invite all to visit the site at www.phpio.ca if you have questions ask via email or call
Were here for Ontario Inspectors, Independent or affiliated together we can make a difference

Billy,

I can't find a link with the application, can you please e-mail me an application for membership!

The founding fathers [allthough I don't know them all] are an impressive bunch.
This is one association I want membership in!!

Thanks

[dcook1]

Originally Posted by rparker

I would consider joining this assocation but appears to me that you have to become NC to remain a member. This what would stop me I have no interest in the NC as I am already an RHI. In my opinion the only difference is the tiper and the cost of the NC. I find that no matter how many letters or numbers behind your name it makes no differance to the puplic or the agents. Price and the quality of the service provided make the differance.

Rob,
Also you could add the longest string of letters behind your name does not make you a good inspector. I have seen some inspectors who rely solely on the letters behind them as feeling this makes them a good inspector. However when I see RHI behind the name and the report says "chimney" and no other reference to it, not the type, material, condition, or what it is attached to, then in my opinion, that does not make a good inspector.

[Nick Gromicko]

Nope Rae, those are actully ASHI's full membership requirements for logo usage. Their entrance requirements are even worse... there aren't any.

[dcook1]

Originally Posted by bmullen

And that's just fine, Rob. If you see no value in becoming an NCH, that's your right.
PHPIO is not a REPLACEMENT for OAHI, it is an ALTERNATIVE. It all depends what a person sees as the best things for himself.

Bill Mullen

Bill,
Have you had a response from CAHPI that they will endorse this association. Currently they are only endorsing OAHI

[bmullen]

Originally Posted by dcook1

Bill,
Have you had a response from CAHPI that they will endorse this association. Currently they are only endorsing OAHI

CAHPI will not be asked to endorse PHPIO until the membership totals increase to a certain level. PHPIO also has to prove a lot before we will even try for membership in the CAHPI family. However, I predict that will happen within a few months.

Coincidentally, some of us are now at the CAHPI conference in Halifax and informal chats are ongoing.

Bill Mullen

[William R. DeVries, CMHI]

Originally Posted by mkyriacou

Billy,

I can't find a link with the application, can you please e-mail me an application for membership!

The founding fathers [allthough I don't know them all] are an impressive bunch.
This is one association I want membership in!!

Thanks

Mario the link is here fill it in and it will be sent to you
http://www.phpio.ca/benefits.php

[bmullen]

Originally Posted by mkyriacou

Billy,

I can't find a link with the application, can you please e-mail me an application for membership!

The founding fathers [allthough I don't know them all] are an impressive bunch.
This is one association I want membership in!!

Thanks

Hi Mario:

If you go to www.phpio.ca and click on 'Membership Benefits' you will see another link for a Membership Application. You have to give your name, phone number and e-mail address because we want to track the responses.

Bill Mullen

[Mario A. Kyriacou, CHI]

Bill and Billy

The link will not work.

Billy, I received the application via e-mail, Thanks bro!

[William R. DeVries, CMHI]

All good brother, Chat with you tommorrow have a good evening
Billy