Congratulations to PHPIO... Ontario's new home inspection association.

[Bill Mullen]

Posted for Cam Allen:

Greetings Rudolph,
Your fair question deserves a clear response. Many of us are accutely aware of the declining value of our membership in OAHI. Many are also aware of the considerable internal strife and the continued "Feifdom" attitude within the management of OAHI. The recent increase in membership dues is yet another issue and the recent e-mails expounding upon what is going to happen is falling on an increasingly doubtful membership. Many prospective HI's have attempted to join and work thru the process, only to see the rules change "mid-stream" and they gave up in frustration. Some joined other organizations and many just opened the doors. As you know there are less than 250 RHI's in Ontario. This is after over 13 years of existence by OAHI. It is well known that the ranks of HI's in Ontario number will into the thousands. What organization is working to help them and allow them to gain knowledge and atain representation that is recognized across Canada?
You are aware that the National Program has been in place for some time now. Other provinces have embraced this Certification Process, whereas OAHI has taken the position that it challenges their control in Ontario. Recently OAHI put Mr Ralph Banks on the CAHPI board as the voice for Ontario. Mr Banks has renounced his NCH and openly discourages the development of CAHPI at nearly every meeting he attends. Many HI's in Ontario are disgusted with the fracture and most don't understand that you don't have to belong to any organization to attain your National Certification. There is a myth that you must belong to OAHI. Many see the National as unattainable and confusing.
PHPIO was formed to offer an Ontario based HI Organization that has one simple objective.......to offer a clear, open and supported path for any HI to obtain his National Certification. The national certification is not a moving target, the standards are clear, the process well defined. It is a fine example of a "Made in Canada" program developed thru consultation.
We will help the HI with his or her application, guide them thru the process, assist in the TIPR process and support them in any manner they need. We will offer open meetings, no limitations on attendance, educational sessions with topics for inspectors to learn and attain CEU's. An open door policy where everyone is welcome, everyone has a vote and dialogue between inspectors over lunch will strengthen our industry and promote the professional position that we sorely need in Ontario. We do not look upon ourselves as competing with OAHI, rather offering an alternative for those that have become dissolutioned with the current status.
Your question was well written and I Thank You for the opportunity to respond.

Cam Allen
PHPIO Treasurer

Originally Posted by Rudolf Reusse

I would appreciate if one of the founders of the "PHPIO" would explain the rational of their motivation to create one more organization to confuse the public when searching for a competent home inspector in Ontario.

Adding - at this stage of the game - one more organization to the mix is - in my view counterproductive - and is only an embarrassing admission that the 20-year effort to secure the recognition of OAHI/CAHPI accredited home inspectors has failed.

Before explaining their decision - I suggest that some of these founders read all about their own enthusiastic "pep talks" in favour of OAHI/CAHPI which have been published in the past in the Canadian Home Inspector magazine for everyone to read.

RUDOLF REUSSE - Home Inspector since 1976 - TORONTO

[William R. DeVries, CMHI]

Originally Posted by Rae Wand

William

In regards to your reply to Brian M. I have to ask you if you feel that way about ASHI why you are a Candidate Member?

In all honesty it was a stratigic way for me to get in through the back door into oahi as a recip equivilent which they would have to honor, but since I chose that was not the route I was going to go, it has since been back burnered hope this explains the reason for it.

[William R. DeVries, CMHI]

yes Ray, and that last Line
actuall is once voted as RHI and you then have to redo what they feel is defect recgonition and there plan 9, upon which you then must apply for RHI status.
That was why I chose to back burner it because they do not want more RHI's, just the money.

[Bill Mullen]

Originally Posted by Rae Wand

Firstly I would like to ask why Mr. Allen cannot post his own statements, but the repeated need to post through a spokesperson?
Mr. Allen has been banned form posting here.

Secondly, Mr. Allen summed it up as to why another association is not required. and most don't understand that you don't have to belong to any organization to attain your National Certification.

That's correct, but when you are not a member of an association that has an Equivalency Agreement with the NCA, the cost is about $ 350. more plus an extra $ 100. per year to renew. Over five years this amounts to $ 850. for instance.
PHPIO is applying for Equivalency status which will allow its members the preferred rate. In return for this rate, PHPIO and its members agree to do a good portion of the administration work.

Bill Mullen

[James Koong]

PHPIO

Can I join the PHPIO while I'm in BC?

[Bill Mullen]

Originally Posted by jkoong

PHPIO

Can I join the PHPIO while I'm in BC?

Sorry, James, but it's an Ontario association only.

Bill Mullen

[Mario A. Kyriacou, CHI]

Bill,

You should reconsider, and give him an honourary membership!!

[Rudolf Reusse]

Since the "NACHI" Message Board has become the one and only effective media to correspond with fellow Canadian home inspectors - here is my reply in responds to Cam Allan’s reply:

I like to thank him for his time he has spent to explain the reason for having launched an alternative association for home inspectors in Ontario.

Having become unfortunately a pessimist with little or no hope for any tangible progress to improve the image of our industry - I can only wish that the described undertaking will in fact be successful - and bring the intended result.

RUDOLF REUSSE - Once a RHI #20 - TORONTO

[Vern Mitchinson, CMI]

Letter designations are the modern signals for tribal recognition. Instead of a flag and/or uniform style to identify friend or foe, letters are used so one member can recognize a fellow member. Sometimes these insignias are secret such as certain handshakes etc. People outside the organization do not know the signals and most could not care less.

[hjanssen]

Nick,would you mind telling us all, you secret,re joining ASHI in 35 seconds
Thanks,Harry

[Marcel Gratton]

Originally Posted by bmullen

Sorry, James, but it's an Ontario association only.

But OAHI welcomed me with open arms, when I was a member!

[George A. H. Luck]

"George we all know you want to "go it alone" and that is your choice but how can you pass judgement when the association has just begun?? WELL BILL, WHEN THE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN CHARGE ARE THE SAME PEOPLE WHO WERE INVOLVED IN IF NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DEMISE OF SEVERAL OTHER ORGANIZATIONS; WHEN SOME OF THEM HAVE ATTACKED NUMEROUS OTHER INSPECTORS BECAUSE THESE VICTIMS DID NOT AGREE WITH THEM AND HAD THE TEMERITY TO SAY SO; WHEN SOME OF THEM HAVE GONE TO GREAT LENGTHS TO RUIN OTHER INSPECTORS BUSINESSES BY SPREADING LIES ABOUT THEIR QUALITY OF WORK, THEIR COMPETENCE, THEIR FINANCIAL STABILITY, THEIR TRUSTWORTHINESS ETC. ETC. ETC. ONE MUST WONDER HOW THESE OLD DOGS CAN BE EXPECTED TO PERFORM NEW TRICKS. YOU HAVE ALLIED YOURSELF WITH SOME VERY UNFORTUNATE INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE DEMONSTRATED THAT THEY WILL NOT TOLERATE OTHER OPINIONS AND THAT IT IS THEIR WAY OR THE HIGHWAY. ARE THESE THE SORT OF PERSONS WHO CAN BE TRUSTED TO START A NEW ORGANIZATION THAT IS INCLUSIVE OF ALL HOME INSPECTORS IN ONTARIO? LOOK AT THEIR PAST RECORD AND TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK.
I remember talking with you where you told me you wanted to see a unified Ontario association that could and would speak for Ontario inspectors, that would be the voice for us in our provience, Why the change of heart now.
NO CHANGE OF HEART. I JUST KNOW THAT THESE INDIVIDUALS ARE NOT INTERESTED IN SPEAKING FOR ANYONE BUT THEMSELVES. ONTARIO DOES NOT NEED ANOTHER CONDUIT TO THE N.C.A. AND ONTARIO DOES NOT NEED ANOTHER ORGANIZATION RUN BY INDIVIDUALS WHO APPEAR TO HAVE DRAGGED DOWN EVERY OTHER ORGANIZATION THEY HAVE BEEN ASSOCIATED WITH. YOU WANT TO REPRESENT ME? THEN COME AND ASK ME WHAT I WANT / NEED BEFORE YOU START DECIDING WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THE NEW ORGANIZATION IS. WHAT YOUR FRIENDS HAVE FORGOTTEN IS THAT THIS IS THE VERY REASON THAT MOST INSPECTORS ARE REFUSING THE N.C.A. IN THE FIRST PLACE. WE DON'T NEED ANOTHER ORGANIZATION WITH RULES REGULATIONS AND SELF APPOINTED AUTHORITIES PASSED DOWN TO US FROM ON HIGH, TO TELL US HOW TO RUN OUR LIVES AND THAT IS WHAT YOU HAVE
HERE. BUT THEN EVERY DICTATOR AT ONE TIME OR ANOTHER THINKS HE IS REPRESENTING THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE.
Rudolf they have and did read about the pep talks, but when it falls on deaf ears over and over. and help and good intentions are met with a simple NO, after a while you look for something better, if you can't find a proviencial association that will look out for your interest then you MUST make one that will offer inspectors a choice. BILL. READ WHAT YOU ARE
WRITING. THERE IS NO CHOICE. IT IS THE N.C.A. WAY OR NOTHING. If you do not like whats on the table then go it alone there's no gun to anyones head, you have free will to decide whats right for you, wanna get involved then do so, put forth ideas, help, mentor, be part of a good thing so it does not go wayward, stand up and help to keep it on track, make a difference and try to be part of the solution, thats what I did and I am considered Independent as well, I just see the light at the end of the tunnel and chose to be one of the drivers on this bus, not on of the passengers at the back wondering where the hell it is going and where it made the wrong turn like the other association. "THAT IS THE POINT BILL. TO USE YOUR ANALOGY, THE BUS CAN ONLY HAVE ONE DRIVER AND YOU AND I AIN'T IT. IN FACT WE WERE NEVER EVEN ASKED WHERE THE BUS SHOULD BE GOING. JUST LIKE OAHI WE ARE TOLD TO PAY OUR MEMBERSHIP, CLIMB ON BOARD AND SHUT THE HELL UP. NOT MY IDEA OF EITHER MAKING A DIFFERENCE OR BEING PART OF THE SOLUTION.

(SORRY FOR THE LENGTH OF TIME IT TOOK TO RESPOND TO THIS BUT I AM ON HOLIDAY AND TRYING TO CONVINCE MY WIFE I AM WORKING ON MY BOOK NOT SENDING OUT EMAIL !)

[Brian A. MacNeish]

Originally Posted by Raie Wand

Hey I am still waiting for Nick to answer Harry's question as to how Nick can join ASHI in 35 seconds.

Nick!! Nick!!!

You still there!!

[scorcoran]

You know what I do like about it...

I don't have to pay to find out the membership requirements! I think OAHI is around $30 before you can take a peek at the application.... grrrr

[Nick Gromicko]

Brian, I want to win our next "How fast can any child join ASHI" contest being held in Denver next month so I've been practicing. But my aunt Penny (age 84) just joined in 54.5 seconds! She is legally blind but still can read and fill out the application using a big magnifying glass. She will be entering the contest and will be tough to beat. Rae, how long did it take you to join?

http://www.homeinspector.org/join/ap...pplication.pdf

http://www.nachi.org/rigorous2006.htm