Do think the National Certification Good or Bad for us?

[Mario A. Kyriacou, CHI]

Originally Posted by bmullen1

Anything worthwhile costs money. This certification process is costly to operate because inspectors are processed carefully and their claims checked. It is also very much easier and less expensive to check the credentials of CAHPI members. It's a one-time expense that will pay off quickly for those who are successful.

NACHI had an opportunity to make the cost less but they chose not to participate in an 'Equivalency evaluation'. I asked several times for some cooperation, and it was always refused. Had they agreed to allow the NCA to compare the NACHI requirements to those of the National, it would have been much easier to process NACHI member applications.

Within the next twelve months the NCP will be run by Certificate Holders who have been elected to their positions by fellow 'Holders.' If there were enough non-CAHPI 'Holders', many of the seats at the table could be taken by non-members of CAHPI.

The fee schedules were not just thrown together. They were carefully calculated and then sent to government for approval. They have been given the blessing of government right up to the ministerial level, so they also believe them to be fair.

Bill Mullen

Bill

Carefully calculated? How do you figure. Caphi members will be subsidized by non-CAHPI members. I know what you are going to say they payed into it for years but the reality is we/I as a non member of CAHPI will in fact be subsidizing CAHPI MEMBERS. No thanks!

And Bill worthwhile things are sometimes FREE or at least reasonable[fair] in
cost.

[Bill Mullen]

Originally Posted by mkyriacou

Bill

Carefully calculated? How do you figure. Caphi members will be subsidized by non-CAHPI members. I know what you are going to say they payed into it for years but the reality is we/I as a non member of CAHPI will in fact be subsidizing CAHPI MEMBERS. No thanks!

And Bill worthwhile things are sometimes FREE or at least reasonable[fair] in
cost.

The numbers have been scrutinized closely and approved by government representatives to ensure fairness. What more can I say except that CAHPI members shouldn't have to subsidize anyone else ?

It's a voluntary certification. If you don't want to pay your fair share, you don't have to apply. Everyone is welcome to apply, but we're encouraging everyone to make their own decision, and we'll respect that.

Bill Mullen

[Mario A. Kyriacou, CHI]

Originally Posted by bmullen1

The numbers have been scrutinized closely and approved by government representatives to ensure fairness. What more can I say except that CAHPI members shouldn't have to subsidize anyone else ?

It's a voluntary certification. If you don't want to pay your fair share, you don't have to apply. Everyone is welcome to apply, but we're encouraging everyone to make their own decision, and we'll respect that.

Bill Mullen

Bill


You should have been a Lawyer or a Politician.

[rwand1]

Enough to do 10,000 inspection per month? Wishful thinking I think.

If that is the case OAHI will be irrelevant as will Nachi if the trend you allude to continues. I don't see that happening given the current state of affairs of the politics being what they are.

[James H. Bushart]

Less than one-third thinks that licensing is good. I commend the remaining majority of you!

Please share your wisdom with those who need it south of your border.

[rwand1]

James,

Correction, its not a poll about licencing, its a poll about a national certification which is voluntary administered by a self regulating body that has no legislation, therefore no bite, no power but the power it granted itself.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by rwand1

James,

Correction, its not a poll about licencing, its a poll about a national certification which is voluntary administered by a self regulating body that has no legislation, therefore no bite, no power but the power it granted itself.

Oh. Sorry. My bad.

[Mario A. Kyriacou, CHI]

Originally Posted by jbushart

Less than one-third thinks that licensing is good. I commend the remaining majority of you!

Please share your wisdom with those who need it south of your border.

James

I'm having second thoughts about this Licensing BS.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by mkyriacou

James

I'm having second thoughts about this Licensing BS.

It all boils down to who should dictate your business decisions for you? Your market or your government?

[rwand1]

James, go to your room.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by rwand1

James, go to your room.

....ooooookay.

[rwand1]

Well as long as its all voluntary everyone can sleep at nite. Be vigilant a clique in OAHI wants licencing in Ontario in order to thwart the National Certification.

[Mario A. Kyriacou, CHI]

CMHC does not recommend or endorse any individual home inspector or association. CMHC does encourage and support the private home inspection industry to establish national uniform standards of competency. For more information on the inspection industry's national initiative please refer to the CMHC Research Highlight Canadian Home Inspectors and Building Officials National Initiatve Phase Two: Development of National Certification and Accreditation Models on CMHC’s website..

1 Property inspectors inspect commercial properties. Many inspectors perform both home and property inspections.

[Bill Mullen]

Originally Posted by mkyriacou

CMHC does not recommend or endorse any individual home inspector or association. CMHC does encourage and support the private home inspection industry to establish national uniform standards of competency. For more information on the inspection industry's national initiative please refer to the CMHC Research Highlight Canadian Home Inspectors and Building Officials National Initiatve Phase Two: Development of National Certification and Accreditation Models on CMHC’s website..

1 Property inspectors inspect commercial properties. Many inspectors perform both home and property inspections.

Hi Mario:

That's taken from the old versions that are now on websites and pamphlets. The new versions, of which I received advanced copies this week read much differently. I quoted it earlier but I'll do it again now, taken directly from one of the media releases that will be coming out very soon:
A professional home inspector can help you find out as much as possible about a home's condition, livability and safety before you sign on the dotted line. To help you make more informed decisions – and keep unpleasant surprises to a minimum – Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation (CMHC) has several tips for finding and selecting a qualified home inspector, including:
· Check association Websites, the yellow pages and housing trade magazines to find a home inspector in your area who meets the national certification standards. These national standards of competency were developed by the Canadian Association of Home and Property Inspectors (CAHPI), with support from CMHC, Human Resources and Skills Development Canada (HRSDC), and the Construction Sector Council (CSC). Visit www.cahpi.ca to learn more or to confirm claims of compliance with the National Certification Program’s requirements. You may also contact CAHPI to verify an inspectors standing as a National Certificate Holder in the National Certification Program.

Bill Mullen

[Bill Mullen]

Originally Posted by rwand1

Well as long as its all voluntary everyone can sleep at nite. Be vigilant a clique in OAHI wants licencing in Ontario in order to thwart the National Certification.

So I have heard, but I'm afraid it's too little too late. It should be interesting at the AGM next week.

Bill Mullen