Electrical Inspections

[Robert Francis]

Originally Posted by rwand1

Larry

I think the message being sent out is that inspectors should take appropriate precautions, i.e. wear appropriate clothing, shoes, safety glasses when checking the panel.

Nothing like scaring the living day lights out of client. Hard hat, rubber boots,
big rubber gloves, full face sheild, big rubber mat and etc. I think I might try that and see who goes runnig out the door first, client or agent.

[Rob A. Parker]

I golf with an ESA inspector once week and asked him about this as far as he is concerned, as long as we use the proper safty equipment ie; glasses gloves and work shoe that are rated he has no problem with us taking of the cover of a panel.Like he said to me how ells would you be able to do a proper inspection.It's just the goverment an ESA protecting their *****.

[rwand1]

I had a realtor tell me that one inspector before taking a look in the attic dawned a Tyvek suit, filter, goggles... I asked the realtor if there was any concern with mould, or other issue for the inspector to dawn such attire. The realtor said no, nothing, and the attic was fine. Melodramtic? I'd say. There is nothing like scaring the be-jesus out of the clients.

[Yuri Olhovsky]

Ray, I don't take a look in the attic, I go into the attic. I don't wear Tyvek suit, but I put on coverall and full face respirator. Besides fiberglass, that is very dusty and itchy, you never know what else could be there.

[cbarrows]

Guys

Where is a good place to pick up the electrical gloves and mat (Ontario) ? Any suggestions appreciated.

Craig

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by cbarrows

Guys

Where is a good place to pick up the electrical gloves and mat (Ontario) ? Any suggestions appreciated.

Craig

If you feel you need them go to any electrical whole sale in the Ottawa area. If help needed look in the yellow Pages or go to Home Depot and ask there or look for an electrical contractors truck ask him where the whole sale out let is . Roy Cooke

[rwand1]

Yuri,

You are most likely scaring your clients. I would never walk the attic unless there are planks down on the attic floor.

[Yuri Olhovsky]

No, Ray. I don't scare them. I explain them, that the attic is very dusty, and that is the reason I wear coverall and mask. I also explain them that there is no floor in the attic, and that is why I can't let them go with me. I spend on average 15-20 min in the attic. The only time I do not go there if the attic is too small, and looks like a crawl space. But if I can stand there, I always go. Too many issues can't be seen at all from the attic access hatch.

[Mario A. Kyriacou, CHI]

Originally Posted by yolhovsky

No, Ray. I don't scare them. I explain them, that the attic is very dusty, and that is the reason I wear coverall and mask. I also explain them that there is no floor in the attic, and that is why I can't let them go with me. I spend on average 15-20 min in the attic. The only time I do not go there if the attic is too small, and looks like a crawl space. But if I can stand there, I always go. Too many issues can't be seen at all from the attic access hatch.

RAY AND YURI

I'm glad you guys brought this up,I agree with Yuri that to do a proper inspection of attic you have to physically go into attic.[If accessable]My concern is what if my foot goes through ceiling?Then I'm paying for repairs to ceiling.And that is why I agree with Ray,and for that reason I will use a particle mask and do a visual and that's it.

[Yuri Olhovsky]

Mario, as usual, you need to use your own judgment and common sense. Yes, SOP do not require you to enter attic. But SOP set only minimum requirements (there was plenty of discussion about this before). Yes, you will be responsible for damages to the property and yourself, if you go through the ceiling. That is why I use common sense. If I see that I can enter the attic safely and move around SAFELY, then I do so. In another words, use your own discretion and judgment in this case as in every other part of your job.

[Mario A. Kyriacou, CHI]

Originally Posted by yolhovsky

Mario, as usual, you need to use your own judgment and common sense. Yes, SOP do not require you to enter attic. But SOP set only minimum requirements (there was plenty of discussion about this before). Yes, you will be responsible for damages to the property and yourself, if you go through the ceiling. That is why I use common sense. If I see that I can enter the attic safely and move around SAFELY, then I do so. In another words, use your own discretion and judgment in this case as in every other part of your job.

Agreed!!

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by yolhovsky

Mario, as usual, you need to use your own judgment and common sense. Yes, SOP do not require you to enter attic. But SOP set only minimum requirements (there was plenty of discussion about this before). Yes, you will be responsible for damages to the property and yourself, if you go through the ceiling. That is why I use common sense. If I see that I can enter the attic safely and move around SAFELY, then I do so. In another words, use your own discretion and judgment in this case as in every other part of your job.

I wqould say you might want to read this section it has a lot of information from other HIs who have doing inspections for a long time and from the NACHI lawyer #39 ge to below

http://www.nachi.org/forum/showthrea...0713#post90713

[Vern Mitchinson]

Roy
What has the sellers right to the report got to do with entering an attic?
Pardon me the discussion started out on electrical inspections.
Thread drift.

[rwand1]

Maybe this is the link Roy referred to?

I thought this was very much of relevance from another thread. This is a very sound reason why reports should not be critiqued beyond the SOP which has been demonstrated repeatedly by Canadian Courts to be the "Standard" and has proven to be defendable.

jferry has just replied to a thread you have subscribed to entitled - Seller's right to report - in the Legal Advice forum of NACHI Message Board.

This thread is located at:
http://www.nachi.org/forum/showthrea...2&goto=newpost

Here is the message that has just been posted:
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I would strongly discourage readers from exceeding the SOP. The SOP is your second line of defense in the event of a claim. Your PIA and your disclaimer-laden report are the first and third.

Exceeding the SOP may increase your liability exposure and viciate the SOP defense. "Well, Mr. HI, you didn't follow the SOP here, why should you have followed it here [whence the claim is arising]?" You don't want to have to answer that question.

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by vmitchinson

Roy
What has the sellers right to the report got to do with entering an attic?
Pardon me the discussion started out on electrical inspections.
Thread drift.

From Joe the lawyer.

Originally Posted by jferry

I would stick to the SOP in all cases.