The ESOP ?????

[The Rock, II]

Originally Posted by dharris

Quote:Originally Posted by dharris

LOL ..... It just depends what COE that you choose to adhear to.
One that believes in, and disclosing facts, and telling the truth to the public
when marketing yourself to them.
Which Code of Ethics is that?


Or the one with twisted lies, one where you are required to support an org where the owner lies about, and name calls non-members, an org with an ethics member states, "he will lie or do what ever it takes to win" an org that states it's non of the consumers business, of how little, or how much HI experience and knowledge you have...
Some choose to sit back and accept this form of ethics, many have made the business decision to not support this form of ethics..
As a potential candidate for both organizations I am required to abide by their Code of Ethics and to meet their requirements for membership.

I have read both the ASHI and the NACHI Code of Ethics and I do not see anything that supports your statement listed above about supporting "Twisted lies" and not informing the consumer about your lack of experience.

Here are the requirements for me to join NACHI.

Requirements to apply for membership (working member):





You must have passed InterNACHI's Online Inspector Examination (free) with a score of 80 or better.

1. You must have completed InterNACHI's Ethics Obstacle Course (free).
   
2. You must have taken InterNACHI's Standards of Practice Quiz (free).
   
3. You must mail, fax, or submit online InterNACHI's Affidavit.
4. You must agree to adhere to the Standards of Practice.
   
5. You must agree to abide by the Code of Ethics.
   
6. You must agree to continue learning (24 hours/year) as per the Continuing Education Policy.
   
7. You must agree to maintain your member Online Continuing Education Log (free) as per the Continuing Education Policy.
   
8. You must agree that (after you join) if you have never performed a home inspection for a fee you will submit 4 mock inspections to InterNACHI's Report Review Committee (free) before performing your first home inspection for a client.
   
9. You must agree that within your first 10 days after joining, you will login to NACHIs educational message board.
10. You must agree that within your first 30 days after joining, you will complete InterNACHI's comprehensive online Standards of Practice course (free).
    
11. You must agree that before or within your first 30 days after joining you will complete InterNACHI's online Structural course (free) including all the quizzes within.
    
12. You must agree that within your first 45 days after joining, you will complete InterNACHI's comprehensive online Plumbing course (free) including all the quizzes and pass its final exam.
    
13. You must agree that within your first 45 days after joining, you will complete InterNACHI's comprehensive online Electrical course (free) including all the quizzes within and pass its final exam.
    
14. You must agree that before or within your first 45 days after joining, you will complete InterNACHI's online Safety Practices course (free) including all the quizzes within.
    
15. You must agree that within your first 60 days after joining, you will complete InterNACHI's comprehensive online Roofing course (free) including all the quizzes within and pass its final exam.
    
16. You must agree that within your first 3 months after joining, you will apply for a membership photo I.D. (free).
    
17. You must agree that within your first 6 months after joining, you will complete InterNACHI's online Vermiculite Insulation mini-course (free) including all the quizzes within.
    
18. You must agree that within your first 6 months after joining, you will complete InterNACHI's online Polybutylene Plumbing mini-course (free) including all the quizzes within.
    
19. You must agree that within your first 6 months after joining, you will complete InterNACHI's online Water Heater TPR Valve Discharge Piping mini-course (free) including all the quizzes within.
    
20. You must agree that within your first 6 months after joining, you will complete InterNACHI's online Emergency Exit mini-course (free) including all the quizzes within.
    
21. You must agree that within your first year of membership you will re-take and pass InterNACHI's Online Inspector Examination again (free) with a score of 80 or better.
    
22. You must agree that before or within your first 18 months after joining, you will complete InterNACHI's online Log Home course (free) including all quizzes within and pass its final exam.
    
23. You must agree that before or within your first 18 months after joining, you will complete InterNACHI's online Green Building course (free) including all quizzes within and pass its final exam.
    
24. You must agree that before joining or within your first 2 years after joining you will take at least 8 hours of advanced or beyond Standards of Practice coursework (reasonable exceptions apply).
    
25. You must agree that within your first 2 years of membership you will attend at least one chapter meeting or educational seminar (reasonable exceptions apply).
    
26. You must be actively working towards attaining a "Full" Membership.

All members get all membership benefits. Fee is $289/year... not a penny more.

Although, I will admit that by joining ASHI I do not have to have ANY experience in construction or any technical knowledge what so ever.

It is sad to say that even a used car salesman can join ASHI and immediately begin inspecting house without even passing a test or even taking ANY type of course on construction.

Don't believe me? Read the "REQUIREMENTS" for yourself!



Here are the “Requirements” for me to join ASHI!http://www.homeinspector.org/join/application/associate_application.pdf

Payment (Please select Option 1 “Payment In Full” or Option 2 “Monthly Installment”)

OPTION 1 - PAYMENT IN FULL VIA CREDIT CARD OR CHECK
Dues to ASHI during these periods [/font](Dues Pro-Rated Based on Time of Year

8/2/07-9/1/07 ---$379.00 ($299.00 + $80 application fee)

2/2/08-3/1/08 ---$229.48 ($149.48 + $80 application fee)

9/2/07-10/1/07 ---$354.08 ($274.08 + $80 application fee)

3/2/08-4/1/08 --- $204.56 ($124.56 + $80 application fee)

10/2/07-11/1/07---$329.16 ($249.16 + $80 application fee)

4/2/08-5/1/08 ---$179.64 ($99.64 + $80 application fee)

11/2/07-12/1/07---$304.24 ($224.24 + $80 application fee)

5/2/08-6/1/08 --- $154.72 ($74.72 + $80 application fee)

12/2/07-1/1/08 ---$279.32 ($199.32 + $80 application fee

6/2/08-7/1/08 --- $129.80 ($49.80 + $80 application fee)

1/2/08-2/1/08 --- $254.40 ($174.40 + $80 application fee)

7/2/08-8/1/08 --- $104.92 ($24.92 + $80 application fee)


_ OPTION 2 – MONTHLY PAYMENT VIA CREDIT CARD ONLY
1st Payment: ----- $129.92 ($24.92 first month dues + $80 application fee + $25 annual convenience fee)

Future Monthly Payments ----- $24.92 (monthly charge to your credit card each month)


Please Select Method of Payment
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Current dues for ASHI Associates are $299 per year and ASHI Associate with Logo Use and ASHI Certified Inspector dues are $399 per year and are nonrefundable.

Dues are set by the ASHI Board prior to the start of each fiscal year on October 1 and may change.

A $50 transfer fee is required for all inspectors moving from Associate to Associate with Logo Use or Certified Inspector status.

For those paying on the installment plan, and for your convenience, your ASHI membership will automatically renew, without interruption, before the start of each subsequent membership year at the dues then in effect unless you
cancel your membership by sending an e-mail requesting cancellation to hq@ashi.org before August 1, 2008.

You will be required to submit Continuing Education Credits (20 per year) by September 30, 2008, to avoid disruption to your membership.

Referral (Not required, but please let us know if someone referred you)
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I will admit that for a "newbie or wannabie inspector" that joing ASHI until you can get some experience is the way to go.

Althouth I have a tremendous amount of experience in construction and I have taken more technical classes than I can count I will still join both associations.

I have to admit that the absence of ANY requirements to jois ASHI does give me a great deal of concern but all I have to do is fill out an application and send in the money so that is what I will do!





Quote: Dan Harris:
Its public record, ones that chose to speak out are bashed, name called, and considered unethical by a few that need some one else to make their decisions for them.
Of course all one has to do is just a little reading to see these statements are facts on this open to the public board.

Can you post these for me to see?

I'm sure one less home inspector or vender wanting to have a "professional"
relationship with me, will not hurt me, in fact if that one less chooses to support lies, and misinformation by bashing me, and the Professional" HI org that I choose to follow their COE,
I am sure we, and our customers are both better off, by us not having any kind of relationship
Like I said earlier, I am not here to “Take sides” and I did not even mention your name until it was brought up by a NACHI member.


OH BTW.. Before judging a persons ethics I would suggest reading why that person was banned from this org by this orgs ethics committee.
Can you post this for me?



All it will take is a little more reading, and you will find there are a few that were banned for refusing to follow "Members Shall Promote this org."
Can you post this for me?


Those former members were banned for not advertizing this org on their websites, all they were guilty of was making a business decision to also be a member of another HI org. and chose not to promote the lies, name calling, bashing of other HI, and other BS on this site.
So, You are saying that you were banned for;
1) Refusing to promote lies.
2) Refusing to promote or participate in "Name Calling".
3) Refusing to bash other HI.
Isn’t this exactly what you have been doing and are doing right now?

Mr. Harris,
Like I said for several months I had only given a cursory glance to this message board.

There is so much information here {both positive and negative} that it is staggering.

My concern is joining NACHI and although being a new member having the stigma of the already existing negative information attached to me and my inspection firm.

]Much of this negative information goes back a long, long time and it is an embarrassment to see.

By the post listed above you really tear into and defame NACHI and its members.
I see that you do this on a regular basis and are allowed to do so without any repercussions.

As a long time poster can you tell me why the owner of this association would allow all of the negative posts to remain on this website?

I also ask you, do you not think that the Real Estate agents in your area see this constant tirade of yours and it makes them think twice about hiring such an angry and hated filled person to “Represent them in an inspection”?

Don’t you think that your tirades are hurting your reputation?

[Mario A. Kyriacou, CHI]

Originally Posted by Wand Raymond

Mario Check your over inflated ego at the door!

[Frank M. Carrio, CMI]

[quote=The Rock, II]
Mr. Farsetta,
I assure you that I am not trying to bait you, or start a fight with you or anyone else!

As to not using my "Real Name" I have already answered that question for Mr. Cooke;

Quote:
Mr. Cooke,
When and IF I join NACHI it will be under my own name.

Why do I use a pseudonym?

It should be obvious!

1) I have seen a non member accuse a member of having sex with his dog.
{This is still posted on this site and is available to the public}

2) I have seen a non member accuse a member of writing from "a prison cell".
{This is still posted on this site and is available to the public}

3) I have seen you viciously attack several members.
{This is still posted on this site and is available to the public}

4) I have seen you viciously attack non members.
{This is still posted on this site and is available to the public}

All of this is still posted on this site and is available to the public!

So if you want to attack me then have it! The Real Estate Agents and other inspectors that I work with will never know that it is my name that you have sullied!


But I will say that I did not come here to fight with you or with anyone else!

I will also say that I will not run away from you or anyone else!
End Quote:

If I continue to post here you will see that I am not here to "take sides" or to start a war.

Nor do I want to be involved in a war.

If treated with respect I will answer in respect. If not then I will answer in kind.[/quote]

Hey Rock, II
Welcome to NACHI!
Your article is "Well written and to the point"!
and ...... if I can be of any assistance to you please feel free to contact me via E-Mail or call me at any time!

PS:
There is no need to "Take Sides" I am sure that in no time flat you will also be attacked and disparaged and you will see for yourself who your friends and who your enemies are!

[The Rock, II]

[quote=fcarrio]

Originally Posted by The Rock, II

Mr. Farsetta,
I assure you that I am not trying to bait you, or start a fight with you or anyone else!

As to not using my "Real Name" I have already answered that question for Mr. Cooke;

Quote:
Mr. Cooke,
When and IF I join NACHI it will be under my own name.

Why do I use a pseudonym?

It should be obvious!

1) I have seen a non member accuse a member of having sex with his dog.
{This is still posted on this site and is available to the public}

2) I have seen a non member accuse a member of writing from "a prison cell".
{This is still posted on this site and is available to the public}

3) I have seen you viciously attack several members.
{This is still posted on this site and is available to the public}

4) I have seen you viciously attack non members.
{This is still posted on this site and is available to the public}

All of this is still posted on this site and is available to the public!

So if you want to attack me then have it! The Real Estate Agents and other inspectors that I work with will never know that it is my name that you have sullied!


But I will say that I did not come here to fight with you or with anyone else!

I will also say that I will not run away from you or anyone else!
End Quote:

If I continue to post here you will see that I am not here to "take sides" or to start a war.

Nor do I want to be involved in a war.

If treated with respect I will answer in respect. If not then I will answer in kind.[/quote]

Hey Rock, II
Welcome to NACHI!
Your article is "Well written and to the point"!
and ...... if I can be of any assistance to you please feel free to contact me via E-Mail or call me at any time!

PS:
There is no need to "Take Sides" I am sure that in no time flat you will also be attacked and disparaged and you will see for yourself who your friends and who your enemies are!

Mr. Carrio,
Thank you for your welcome. Like I said, I am not here to take any sides or participate in any on going wars. I see that you also have an extensive background in construction and that you are a retired Code Official.
I thank you for your kind offer and if I need any technical information I will not hesitate to contact you.

[Frank M. Carrio, CMI]

[quote=The Rock, II]

Originally Posted by fcarrio

Mr. Carrio,
Thank you for your welcome. Like I said, I am not here to take any sides or participate in any on going wars. I see that you also have an extensive background in construction and that you are a retired Code Official.
I thank you for your kind offer and if I need any technical information I will not hesitate to contact you.

Anytime!

Might I suggest that you visit the Technical Sections / Threads as they will provide you with a wealth of pertinent technical information!

[Frank M. Carrio, CMI]

PS:
There is no need to "Take Sides" I am sure that in no time flat you will also be attacked and disparaged and you will see for yourself who your friends and who your enemies are!

PPS:
I see that you have been accused of already being a member and not only that but ...... of being a specific member {Mario K.}....... I am happy to see that you are NOT "Feeding the Trolls" by replying to each and very insult!

[The Rock, II]

Originally Posted by fcarrio

PS:
There is no need to "Take Sides" I am sure that in no time flat you will also be attacked and disparaged and you will see for yourself who your friends and who your enemies are!

PPS:
I see that you have been accused of already being a member and not only that but ...... of being a specific member {Mario K.}....... I am happy to see that you are NOT "Feeding the Trolls" by replying to each and very insult!

Mr. Carrio,
I have stated that I am not here to take sides and or participate in an on going war. I have also made it clear that I will respond in kind to any post directed at me. If they are friendly or non committal then I will respond in that manner. If I am attacked then I will not run away and hide.
I would also like to make it clear that I will not respond to every post and certainly not respond to every remark.
I would like to participate in a "Professional" manner on this message board.

[Frank M. Carrio, CMI]

Originally Posted by The Rock, II

Mr. Carrio,
I have stated that I am not here to take sides and or participate in an on going war. I have also made it clear that I will respond in kind to any post directed at me. If they are friendly or non committal then I will respond in that manner. If I am attacked then I will not run away and hide.
I would also like to make it clear that I will not respond to every post and certainly not respond to every remark.
I would like to participate in a "Professional" manner on this message board.

Well ..... so far you have.......

I wish you luck and don't hesitate to take me up on my offer!

[dharris]

I also ask you, do you not think that the Real Estate agents in your area see this constant tirade of yours and it makes them think twice about hiring such an angry and hated filled person to “Represent them in an inspection”?

Don’t you think that your tirades are hurting your reputation?

LOL ... I could care less what real tors think
Posting the truth about lies about me or other inspectors hurt my reputation.
Well lets see, hmmm ....haven't had a month with less than 40 inspections, or a month that I lost 3-8 inspections due to not meeting the customers 10 day deadline for the past six yrs..
Haven't had a month that I did not start out with less than 10 inspections, for the past 5 years.
Haven't had a month that I did not get a referral from an inspector from this or another org. for the five plus yrs,
raised my inspection fee over $100 per inspection since 2000.
Guess my reputation could stand a little hurting

Whats with moving from Phx???
It's starting to look like you may be Charley's little brother

If I am attacked then I will not run away and hide.

Now why would you do that? Whats wrong with this picture, If I'm attacted, and reply, I'm bashing,
If your attacted you will reply, and not just run away and hide.

Just A little tip from experience. After you pay nick his $ 289.00 and you reply to attacts, you will be consided un-ethical and be banned by the ethics committe, there are NO REFUNDS

Here's some answers to some of your many questions. More to come

NACHOS Policy




Note to New Inspectors:

No law requires you to publicly announce what your InterNACHI member level is so you are simply a "Member."
Furthermore, since no law requires a public disclosure of an inspector's experience (or lack of it), InterNACHI does not require it either. If you are only a new working member you need not alarm your clients.
If you are a member you may call yourself a "Certified Member" or a "Certified Home Inspector."


Now I'm sure you are aware of this part in ASHI's COE.
3. Inspectors shall avoid activities that may harm the public, discredit themselves,
or reduce public confidence in the profession.
A. Advertising, marketing, and promotion of inspectors' services or qualifications shall not be fraudulent, false, deceptive, or misleading.

Here's another one that will answer some of your questions. Happy reading.

ASHI Busy in Washington State

Here's one topic where a Texas inspector was banned for not promoting nick.
Interesting legal document ...

Members of other associations are welcome to join InterNACHI but a requirement of membership is that InterNACHI must be given equal prominence in your marketing (brochures and websites) as other associations you belong to.

Hear's an example/ quote of what real tors can see where members, and venders that support the owner of this org bashing another HI org and home inspectors.

Here is what scumbag NAHI didn't want their members to read:

Thought you may like this one.
Here's a quote by an ethics member of this org.

I will admit to you in advance that some of the posts that are made about Missouri legislation are intended to mislead some of those proponents who come here to see what we are up to. I apologize in advance for this deception but in the end it matters very little how you played the game....it matters only that you win.

The InterNACHI member shall assist the InterNACHI leadership in disseminating and publicizing the benefits of InterNACHI membership.