The ESOP ?????

[Mario A. Kyriacou, CHI]

Originally Posted by Brian A. MacNeish

Your welcome!! But don't forget that this is a public board. Was talking yesterday with a few folks about directing others to the pertinent sections of the boards.....especially realtors.

Thank You Brian!!!

[Mario A. Kyriacou, CHI]

Originally Posted by rcooke

Unfortunately this is exactly what we are talking about .
If some thing is wrong why should we not listen to whom ever shows us ways to improve our selves .
Members or possible new members all some times have great ideas and we should listen to all.
We at NACHI have lost too many great people who no longer give us much help it does not help us to belittle those who we all need .

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Who is we?
Nothing is wrong with NACHI Roy!

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by mroe

Been there, done that, done gone. Case closed. Roy had it at one time because he gave good advice for HI, but then he started his attacks on Wendy, Ken, and any one that did not meet his views. Then I saw him follow them around the BBs and make nasty comments on all of their post, then accuse them of stalking him. So yes I am no longer a fan of Roy's.

Sorry for you but I am still the same guy I have always been and do not intend to change now.
I am surprised you see nothing wrong with a person being accused ,charged , and found guilty and sentenced in Four hours.
All this and no way to challenge what he supposedly what he did wrong and no appeal.
As I said before it sounds like a kangaroo court.
extremely unfair and Biased.
Now lets use some logic If what Ray was wrong and he got a sensible sentence like 7 days removed from the BB ,I am many others would not be nearly so upset and we would not have all this discussion.

[Raymond E. Wand]

Mario

You know crap! And you keep proving it! Carry on. Ethics is not in your vocabulary!

[Joe Farsetta]

Roy,

With all due respect (though I fail to see why I owe you any), it is not up to you to decide what a fair punishment is. Your blind allegence to Ray Wand is now legendary. Had Ray shown a thread of remorse or reasonableness, the outcome may have been different. He didnt, and the outcome remained the same. He was kicked out of NACHI. The length of the punishment was not specified, as in other instances, members were allowed to return depending on any number of conditions or circumstances. He magnified the problem 50-fold.

Only after an onslaught of insults, slander, innuendo, and defiance on his part and intent, was Ray then removed from the message board. Again, the length of banishment was indeterminate and dependant on any number of things. His answer was to re-register. Even when told he was personna nongrata, he defiantly refuses to leave. In fact, he continues the onslaught each chance he gets. Is this the type of member this association benefits from?

Character has a lot to do with it. In all instances, Ray Wand was in complete and total control.

As to the alleged speed of any decision reached, the sole question was whether the outcome was justified. Whether 4 hours, 4 days, or 4 weeks....it is pretty plain to see that Raymond dug himself into the situation he is currently in.

You call it a kangaroo court because you do not support the outcome. That is also pretty plain to see. A valid analogy is to picture a person convicted of something awaiting sentencing, and spitting in the judges face while screaming "Go ahead. I dare you."

Did this incident hurt the membership? I dont think so. Most dont care or feel that the outcome was justified. I ask you to look at the comments in a Canadian members Only thread regardng the NCP, where Ray could no longer "contribute". The exchange of ideas and information between participants of that thread was refreshing. Take a hint.

The only one bringing this up continually is you. It will not alter the outcome. Get it through your head. If you cant deal with it, it is not my concern.

[Mario A. Kyriacou, CHI]

Originally Posted by Raymond E. Wand

Mario

You know crap! And you keep proving it! Carry on. Ethics is not in your vocabulary!

You have it all wrong Ray, however your above post describes you perfectly!!

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by jfarsetta

Roy,

With all due respect (though I fail to see why I owe you any), it is not up to you to decide what a fair punishment is. Your blind allegence to Ray Wand is now legendary. Had Ray shown a thread of remorse or reasonableness, the outcome may have been different. He didnt, and the outcome remained the same. He was kicked out of NACHI. The length of the punishment was not specified, as in other instances, members were allowed to return depending on any number of conditions or circumstances. He magnified the problem 50-fold.

Only after an onslaught of insults, slander, innuendo, and defiance on his part and intent, was Ray then removed from the message board. Again, the length of banishment was indeterminate and dependant on any number of things. His answer was to re-register. Even when told he was personna nongrata, he defiantly refuses to leave. In fact, he continues the onslaught each chance he gets. Is this the type of member this association benefits from?

Character has a lot to do with it. In all instances, Ray Wand was in complete and total control.

As to the alleged speed of any decision reached, the sole question was whether the outcome was justified. Whether 4 hours, 4 days, or 4 weeks....it is pretty plain to see that Raymond dug himself into the situation he is currently in.

You call it a kangaroo court because you do not support the outcome. That is also pretty plain to see. A valid analogy is to picture a person convicted of something awaiting sentencing, and spitting in the judges face while screaming "Go ahead. I dare you."

Did this incident hurt the membership? I dont think so. Most dont care or feel that the outcome was justified. I ask you to look at the comments in a Canadian members Only thread regardng the NCP, where Ray could no longer "contribute". The exchange of ideas and information between participants of that thread was refreshing. Take a hint.

The only one bringing this up continually is you. It will not alter the outcome. Get it through your head. If you cant deal with it, it is not my concern.

Joe can you tell my why you ignore Bill Mullen not having NACHI on his web site you .
Can you tell me why you ignore Mario posting the Red square and the name of who gave it to him .

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by jfarsetta

Roy,
You call it a kangaroo court because you do not support the outcome. That is also pretty plain to see. A valid analogy is to picture a person convicted of something awaiting sentencing, and spitting in the judges face while screaming "Go ahead. I dare you."

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No where in our countries do our judges sit on the panel when the judge has laid the charge .
You should have done the Honorable thing hand it over to others and distance your self completely from this.

I still feel my statement fit the facts . KANGAROO COURT for sure .
You showed on your phone call to me your punishment was already decided.
Completely biased and unfair.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by rcooke

No where in our countries do our judges sit on the panel when the judge has laid the charge .
You should have done the Honorable thing hand it over to others and distance your self completely from this.

He did.

Joe recused himself from the process and was informed of the Committee's decision at the same time Wand was.

Give it up, Roy. You're not just whipping a dead horse, anymore. You are whipping the dog food......

[Raymond E. Wand]

Still waiting to see bylaws which support legally the Kangaroo Court!

[James H. Bushart]

As so many have pointed out already, Roy... pretending for a moment that Wand was unjustly expelled....his subsequent actions have more than validated that it was the right thing to do.

As you can see, he is nothing more now than a dharris wannabe. Even dharris has membership in ASHI that he tries to promote. Wand has only himself, and no one is buying it but you.

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by jbushart

Wand has only himself, and no one is buying it but you.

Jmes, you have forgotten Ray's new association and BB.

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[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by jbushart

He did.

Joe recused himself from the process and was informed of the Committee's decision at the same time Wand was.

Give it up, Roy. You're not just whipping a dead horse, anymore. You are whipping the dog food......

Excuse me but Joe phone me at about 8;00 pm and told me to call Raymond and tell him to remove his post or he will be out of NACHI tonight.
Did not sound like he had removed him self from this .
Seeing as how you are speaking for the ESOP I ask now If Ray was wrong and and had of been given a sensible punishment
( like a seven day suspension ) do you think we would be having this discussion .
Do you think NACHI would have not been better of and still have two of thew oldest Canadian still giving all NACHI members great information.
It goes back to the Newbie Inspector is the big looser. Logic did not come into this at all it was just the ESOP showing they have the power and authority and they used it .
Glad for you guys hope it did you ego well !

No I am not whipping a dead Horse I am showing all how poor a job our esop does, did, and I expect, will continue to do.
The ESOP lacks the ability to look at them selves and ask what did we do wrong, and how can we avoid all this in the future.

[Raymond E. Wand]

Excuse me but Joe phone me at about 8;00 pm and told me to call Raymond and tell him to remove his post or he will be out of NACHI tonight.
Did not sound like he had removed him self from this .

Yes thats correct. Intimidation at its finest!

[Michael Larson]

Roy,

You know for a fact that Raymond was given every opportunity to remove his offending post. He refused and became belligerent. He's gone.

What gives you any right to determine what the proper punishment should be. You can give an opinion but that's it.