Ex NACHI member now ex OAHI Director.

[rcooke]

This was in another section of the NACHI bb and I have added it here .
Roy Cooke

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Ex NACHI member now ex OAHI Director.
August 1st, 2007

Announcement: Director Resigns from Board

Greetings to all members, and I hope that you are doing well!

The Board of Directors would like the members to be aware that the director representing the Kingston Regional Meeting Group is now an ex-director. Mr. Cam Allen resigned his position at the recent July 27th Board meeting. Attending his first meeting since his election at the Annual General Meeting, Mr. Allen declined to sign a Confidentiality Agreement, which the ten (10) other Board members have signed . While there will be at least two versions of whether the resignation was voluntary, it is the Board's unanimous position, supported by policy, that failure to sign the Confidentiality Agreement equates to resignation from the Board.

As you may know, the KRMG - like Toronto, Ottawa, Southwest - automatically get a director if someone stands for election in the area. North Central has requested the same right be added to the Bylaws. At the 2007 AGM Mr. Allen was the only KRMG member to put his name forth. The Board will be asking the OAHI members from the Kingston Region to supply a suitable RHI replacement to serve as director and represent the region. If no candidate is forthcoming, the Board could appoint any RHI member to the Board; however, they are under no legal obligation to do so.

If you have questions or comments, please contact any Board member.

Sincerely,

Tom Lloyd RHI
President
On behalf of the CAHPI-Ontario/OAHI 2007 Board of Directors
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[bmullen1]

[quote=rcooke]This was in another section of the NACHI bb and I have added it here .
Roy Cooke

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August 1st, 2007

Announcement: Director Resigns from Board

To set the record straight.............Mr. Allen did not resign from the OAHI Board of Directors. He refused to sign a Confidentiality Agreement and that is his only perceived sin. This confidentiality promise has no precedent and has never been written into the bylaws. This is an arbitrary rule that a few on the board have enacted and forced on others. The other BOD members have attempted to 'fire' him from the board, but legally he remains a member of the BOD.

As a person who was duly elected by the OAHI membership to that position, he can only be removed by the members, and only for some very specific reasons.

The OAHI Board has acted beyond their authority and could be placing the association in a precarious and dangerous position.

Bill Mullen

[rcooke]

Originally Posted by bmullen1

To set the record straight.............Mr. Allen did not resign from the OAHI Board of Directors. He refused to sign a Confidentiality Agreement and that is his only perceived sin. This confidentiality promise has no precedent and has never been written into the bylaws. This is an arbitrary rule that a few on the board have enacted and forced on others. The other BOD members have attempted to 'fire' him from the board, but legally he remains a member of the BOD.

As a person who was duly elected by the OAHI membership to that position, he can only be removed by the members, and only for some very specific reasons.

The OAHI Board has acted beyond their authority and could be placing the association in a precarious and dangerous position.

Bill Mullen

Thanks Bill That was my thoughts to.
This is so unfortunate.

I find this very interesting .
Cam and I have had our differences but I have always respected him .
With Cam you new exactly where he stood .
He and My son where the two Financial directors who resigned from OAHI at different times due to discrepancies in how the finances where handled .
I have not heard of any improvements.
I do know that there have been various challenges to the OAHI procedures .
I even offered to pay for a forensic audit so the OAHI members would know exactly how and where the money was spent...... Cookie
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[rwand1]

The night of the LONG KNIVES.

Now I think everyone should be asking the BOD to tender their resignations considering the screw up with the financial issues, other noteworthy breaches of the by-laws. Lapses in correct procedures, members having their rights stepped on. Intimidation, lack of documentation and info regarding BOD meetings.

Now with this latest development and the dovetailing of OAHI and the National this is a very serious matter.

What is needed is an outside management team to be brought in to manage the day to day affairs, while a forensic audit is conducted.

I have to give credit to Cam, he was never a follower and obviously is not going to be blackmailed by a bunch of clowns.

To my knowledge OAHI is having problems finding a Treasurer. That is very telling isnt it?

As we all know OAHI doesn't want anyone whistle blowers to escape alive.

[rcooke]

Originally Posted by rwand1

The night of the LONG KNIVES.

Now I think everyone should be asking the BOD to tender their resignations considering the screw up with the financial issues, other noteworthy breaches of the by-laws. Lapses in correct procedures, members having their rights stepped on. Intimidation, lack of documentation and info regarding BOD meetings.

Now with this latest development and the dovetailing of OAHI and the National this is a very serious matter.

What is needed is an outside management team to be brought in to manage the day to day affairs, while a forensic audit is conducted.

I have to give credit to Cam, he was never a follower and obviously is not going to be blackmailed by a bunch of clowns.

To my knowledge OAHI is having problems finding a Treasurer. That is very telling isnt it?

As we all know OAHI doesn't want anyone whistle blowers to escape alive.

I would have stayed AN OAHI member if they had been honest and followed the rules .
I laid a charge against one of the Committee members and when I saw how this was never going to be heard and saw how the finances where never going to be honestly dealt with I felt the best for me and my future was with NACHI.
I have not changed my thoughts and still feel the best for the Canadian Home inspector is with NACHI.
NACHI listens and helps all Home inspectors every where.
Discrimination is not on the front of every thing they do.
It is time for all home inspector associations and home inspectors to try and form a sensible alliance help one and all.
.............. Cookie

[bmullen1]

Raymond:

Please don't lump CAHPI and/or the NCP in with OAHI. There are obvious connections, but the future of CAHPI does not hinge on what Tom Lloyd and his group do or do not do. CAHPI and the NCP can and will operate quite well with or without OAHI. OAHI has only a very small percentage of the voting power in either group.

Despite your previous assertions, OAHI will NOT be controlling or running the National Certification in Ontario. As a group with an Equivalency Agreement with the NCA, OAHI will be asked to perform some 'secondary' administrative work on Ontario applicants. If NACHI were to apply for and receive an Equivalency Agreement they too would have the same privileges, and their members would also qualify for the lowest fees. ($ 500 instead of $ 850.)

In either case, the primary work falls to the National Certification Authority, a body of eight or nine people on which only one Ontario person has a vote. I sit as a non-voting member.

Bill Mullen

[George A. H. Luck]

"Please don't lump CAHPI and/or the NCP in with OAHI."

"You are known by your lieutenants."

[rwand1]

Secondary administrative work? Geeeeeeeeeez Bill they can't even manage the most simplist of tasks. They leave a huge wake of incompetence. To suggest they are competent of managing secondary administrative work is laughable to say the least.

Mr. Lloyd as President of OAHI and as Secretary of CAHPI obviously has issues with regard to his leadership skills.

It is also quite obvious that Aubrey LeBlanc has been unable to bring any sense of management to OAHI.

OAHI is the hinge pin of the National and with a large numbers of OAHI not interested the National is doomed to failure. Thats why you need Nachi members.

[bmullen1]

Originally Posted by rwand1

Secondary administrative work? Geeeeeeeeeez Bill they can't even manage the most simplist of tasks. They leave a huge wake of incompetence. To suggest they are competent of managing secondary administrative work is laughable to say the least.
You could be correct, but my point is that they will not be doing 'Primary' tasks for the NCP.

Mr. Lloyd as President of OAHI and as Secretary of CAHPI obviously has issues with regard to his leadership skills. No comment.

It is also quite obvious that Aubrey LeBlanc has been unable to bring any sense of management to OAHI. He appears to be a hired gun, used to go after any detractors.

OAHI is the hinge pin of the National and with a large numbers of OAHI not interested the National is doomed to failure. Thats why you need Nachi members.

OAHI is not the hinge pin.........although Ontario is. OAHI might not be needed in the mix. We do not need NACHI members, but they are most welcome to apply. All NACHI needs to do is apply for and receive an Equivalency rating and their members have all the rights and privileges and rates that anyone else has.

Why get into a pissing match when we have a common foe? Maybe the NCP and the CMI can work something out. Nick and I have a good relationship. If the NCP is considered a failure by some because we only have 300 to 400 applicants out of 1200 CAHPI members, what is the CMI when it has fewer than 300 out of 10,000 NACHI members? Instead of smacking each other in the face maybe its time for some serious talk without dragging out the old crap.

Bill Mullen

[rwand1]

Bill

I agree in principal, but its obvious until the old crap is sorted out we will always be at odds because quite frankly no one trusts OAHI, the BOD and certain committee members.

If Mr. LeBlanc is the hired gun, he needs to call me, because I have the bullets to his gun.

[Gary L. Porter]

Wow.

[bjones1]

Originally Posted by rwand1

What is needed is an outside management team to be brought in to manage the day to day affairs, while a forensic audit is conducted.

Ihear Mallory Anderson might be looking for managenent work.

[Yuri Olhovsky]

Originally Posted by bmullen1

All NACHI needs to do is apply for and receive an Equivalency rating and their members have all the rights and privileges and rates that anyone else has.

Nick and I have a good relationship.

Bill Mullen

Bill, if you and Nick have good relationship, why not to work out the issue of Equivalency rating and get NACHI on the level field? Someone has to start this dialogue at some point.

[dcook1]

Originally Posted by bmullen1

OAHI is not the hinge pin.........although Ontario is. OAHI might not be needed in the mix. We do not need NACHI members, but they are most welcome to apply. All NACHI needs to do is apply for and receive an Equivalency rating and their members have all the rights and privileges and rates that anyone else has.

Why get into a pissing match when we have a common foe? Maybe the NCP and the CMI can work something out. Nick and I have a good relationship. If the NCP is considered a failure by some because we only have 300 to 400 applicants out of 1200 CAHPI members, what is the CMI when it has fewer than 300 out of 10,000 NACHI members? Instead of smacking each other in the face maybe its time for some serious talk without dragging out the old crap.

Bill Mullen

Bill,
It is not a case of whether.... I need this,,, or you need that! It is a case of ... How can we work this out together so all Home Inspectors benefit.
As we all see there are many who are not affiliated with any professional association. Partly due to the stupid statements and wrangling that goes on on thei bulletin board and nothing that goes on on the OAHI BB. No one posts there. Not even to help.
As you state, instead of smacking faces, it would be better to talk about positive items that can move associations forward. Either CMI or NC certs that would be recognizable and equivilant. The associations should work on a positive angle to promote the industry and it's members. There are way too many who claim to be a member of one association and that is all that s needed. And they put down other associations and the members.
As I have stated before many in OAHI are crybabies and do nothing to promote the industry. (OAHI did not support a fundraiser underway for one of it's sick longtime active members.) But many in NACHI are no better.
Squabbling will never make this industry advance.
It may be time for NACHI and OAHI to start to work together as one association, to make all members look better. Together. And that may mean dropping some of the old garbage. As in ......Kiss and make up.
Signed David L Cook of (this is cool) Ontario Association of Nationally Certified Home Inspectors.

[rwand1]

David,

This is exactly why Ontario should licence home inspectors. Never mind the National, never mind RHI. It is very evident OAHI has been in continual breach of its by-laws. This same sort of nonsense has occurred before with Cam and others.

Why do you think OAHI wants it directors to sign confidentiality agreements? Its to intimidate board members from speaking out about questionable activities. The only thing the BOD haven't figured out is that the confidentiality agreement is all talk and no action. OAHI is not in a position to challenge legally anyone who breaches the confidentiality agreement because there is too much to hide.

As you know some on here keep telling us to be professional and to stop talking about these grievances, but the problem is it has to be exposed before anything will change. If this is the sort of nonsense going on how can anyone in or out of OAHI be assured of equality both in OAHI and CAHPI National?

Members of OAHI are just as good as Nachi members, but the problem lies with certain individuals in management and on some committees who will never release the tight grip they have on the reins. If the corporate head is broken then it calls into question the whole association, because no one can be assured that everyone gets the same treatment.

OAHI has a history of forcing out those that do not comply to thier dictates, screw the by-laws, what are they for, they don't need stinking by-laws.

These same people on the board who serve on the National have a history of abuse of the by-laws they swore to uphold.

Just look at the way they treated those of us who hold dual membership and used CHI, these same people sit on the National.

Before Nachi submits to anything CAHPI-OAHI needs to have a forensic audit conducted, maybe then things will improve.

Remember 95% of OAHI members haven't got a clue whats going on and thats the way management wants it.

Cheers,