Funding of CAHPI in question

[George A. H. Luck]

"Get the facts" . . . . Gee, what a unique idea! Canadian inspectors have been waiting for the "facts" for a number of years. Seems we are still waiting. By the way, did you notice that little word "rumour"? When I have the "facts" I will identify them as being such.

Interestingly enough, after making the above post, I recieved several more Emails from members of another HI Organization indicating that there may be changes in the upper levels of that org. coming as in-fighting over the national continues. If true, as these "RUMOURS" seem to indicate, we may be witnessing a sea change in the power base of that org and possibly the establishment of a new, competing Hi organization.

As soon as I receive, or if I receive any news (FACTS) that the contributors will allow me to source with attribution, you will read it here first! Certainly not on that other BB

[rwand1]

Facts stranger then Fiction!

Hey Chuck are you on the CANUCK list? Do you believe everything you read there? Its the unofficial Web Discussion board of OAHI. Even the BOD seems to be taking its marching orders from what is discussed on the CANUCK list. The BOD even uses posts from the CANUCK list to use as ammo to assassinate those that speak up or say anything not to the liking of the task masters.

Charles do you question anything on the CANUCK list or do you take it as Gospel or are you afraid to question anything on that list for fear of being raked over the coals for having the balls to question it? There are many silent members on that list to frieghtened to speak up for fear of reprisal!

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by ccrooker

From what George, Facts keep confusion out. When in doubt, get the facts.

Chuck if you have any Information send it to me I will remove your name and post it .
It is so unfortunate that the secret Society who want to control the Home Inspection industry show there complete contempt for all Canadian Home inspectors by not giving out the facts . They do admit that it is taxpayers money they are working with but give nothing and expect we should just shut up and do nothing.
Hardly seems fair to me when it is my future they are trying control.
I still think they all are in if for their finical gain just like the directors of OAHI who also give little information and want to make big Dollars for them selves .
If I am wrong the Please all I ask is show us the BEEF . WHERE IS THE BEEF.
Roy Cooke . RHI. CAHPI-ON
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[rwand1]

Roy I have seen the letter Rudolf Ruesse posted on the Canuck list. It is so true because it backs up what you and I have been saying for years. Rudolf has some credibility because he was former Discipline Chair of OAHI and is no longer a member of OAHI. The Canuck list groupies must have crapped their pants when they read what Rudolf had to say on the Canuckle list about OAHI and RHI. Its so true what he said. I hope Charles you have the wherewithall to post it after all it is quite factual.

[George A. H. Luck]

Boy, I'll tell you, there is a lot of truth to the old saying " Where there's smoke there's fire!" I have just stopped into the office between inspecitons and there are a number of very interesting Emails lined up.

I will ask the "deep throats" ( remember Watergate? ) to send further Email to;

cfihi@domspec.net

This will help me keep it apart from my business Email.
Thanks guys!
Gotta run!

[Claude Lawrenson]

Just a small point of clarification - it my understanding that the CANUCK list is not "the unofficial Web Discussion board of OAHI". It is privately owned and operated, and funded by many member home inspectors that have been invited from across Canada. I believe it was the brain child of Bill Mullen and John Lueck. John moved on after having a tough go at home inspection. There was a change from the original founders which now includes a few others. I believe it also has a few invited guests from outside. It was and still is a "Canadian" Home Inspector discussion area.

If anything, years ago, OAHI was greatly offended by such rebellious discussions taking place in such a media, and tried the damndest to close it down. Some even felt that it should perhaps take place of the CAHPI forum.

Perhaps there are times that such discussion do catch the attention of OAHI and CAHPI alike. Hopefully some can at least use it as place to test the waters on a slice of public opinion. Like many other discussion boards one has to be aware of the differences between fact from the fiction, and the reality from the rumour.

[lewens]

Originally Posted by clawrenson

It was and still is a "Canadian" Home Inspector discussion area.

Claude
Given that this is the case why is by invitation only and not accessable by "Canadian " home inspectors.

[rwand1]

If anything, years ago, OAHI was greatly offended by such rebellious discussions taking place in such a media, and tried the damndest to close it down. Some even felt that it should perhaps take place of the CAHPI forum.

Yeah you must mean how the BOD, including Bill Mullen, TWS, George Webb, and accessories conspired to pull posts off that forum which resulted in the collapse of a very effective discipline committee?
Yup thats quite a board. They have used that board to call esteemed members "child molestors", threats, conduct unbecoming a member, yes that all there on the Canuckle forum alright! So much for one to defend himself too, they talk like a bunch of old women, deny one the right to defend themselves. Well I guess they like hiding behind the apron. Now the board is infested with RATS!

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

[quote=clawrenson]Just a small point of clarification - it my understanding that the CANUCK list is not "the unofficial Web Discussion board of OAHI". It is privately owned and operated, and funded by many member home inspectors that have been invited from across Canada. I believe it was the brain child of Bill Mullen and John Lueck. John moved on after having a tough go at home inspection.
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Come on Claude why don't you for once tell the truth " John moved on after having a tough go at home inspection. "and give the members the rest of the story. You Know John did OK at home inspections and did a fantastic job at teaching .
He was one of the better teachers and really was exceptionally talented in all phases of the Inspection industry.
All you do is try and evade giving out information and when others give out info you try and convince all that it is wrong .
Roy Cooke . RHI . CAHPI-ON
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[Claude Lawrenson]

Roy, I too have a lot of respect for John, and the details being aired here is unnecessary. Certainly no disrepect was meant or intended by me towards a person considered my good friend.

Perhaps I should rephrase it to - he wanted a steady pay check! Simply so he could support his family. Certainly John was an outstanding inspector and instructor and OAHI Board member. But his market was a "tough go", and he truly could not make enough to support the venture fulltime. He lived in a small marketplace about a few hours north of Barrie, and later move further east into a larger market area. Anyways, the sad truth he eventually seeked other employment. As he would say "nuff said".

[rwand1]

Interesting, Ray, that you should hear those rumours today. I heard from one of the C.F.I.H.I. field operatives ( sounds like a guy in a tux', sipping martinis while dispatching enemy agents!) that Bill Mullen had stepped down. What makes this rumour doubly interesting is that no reasons have emerged!

I heard as did you and others that Bill said he would be finished in a month or two.

BTW what is CFIHI?

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by clawrenson

Roy, I too have a lot of respect for John, and the details being aired here is unnecessary. Certainly no disrepect was meant or intended by me towards a person considered my good friend.

Perhaps I should rephrase it to - he wanted a steady pay check! Simply so he could support his family. Certainly John was an outstanding inspector and instructor and OAHI Board member. But his market was a "tough go", and he truly could not make enough to support the venture fulltime. He lived in a small marketplace about a few hours north of Barrie, and later move further east into a larger market area. Anyways, the sad truth he eventually seeked other employment. As he would say "nuff said".

To me John L was the greatest and when he was Badly Mistreated by OAHI it was the start of the slide of OAHI .
If John had been treated properly he, I expect would still be a OAHI member. He like me and many others got disappointed with the treatment that was and still is given to many OAHI members by those in power moved on.
I liked OAHI and would still be a member working to help all but like a % decided OAHI directors are not for the members and was told to look at NACHI.
Too Bad OAHIs loss was NACHIs gain.
NACHI is growing great In Canada Thanks To the many directors in OAHI not understanding proper procedures.
Stay tuned as Al Jolsen Said many years ago YOU AIN'T SEEN NOTHIN YET .
NACHI has so many great ideas comming it continues to pleasantly surprise me .

Roy Cooke RHI ..CAHPI-ONT.

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

This is another HI who loved OAHI and worked his but of for the members and he too got treated very badly and moved on.
OAHI just does not understand they can not keep loosing the great members .
I can name many more who they have lost and I can name many more who they will loose.

Having been in this game now for 30 years - I am certainly not in favour of any governmental interference how I can or should operate my business. But the writing seems to be on the wall that governmental regulation might eventually become the only solution to clean up the unsustainable mess in our Canadian Home Inspection Industry.
In spite of all the best efforts of a few dedicated colleagues - nothing of consequence has actually been materialized in decades. Here are some facts which support my critical opinion.
In Ontario - and in particular in Toronto - the number of home inspectors who are offering their services to the public has multiplied hundredfold in recent years. During the same period the number of "Registered Home Inspectors" has remained more or less stagnant because very few "Students" or "Applicants" ever manage to obtain their "RHI Designation" - or have realized in time - that the hard to come by designation is of little or no value to make a living in this competitive business. The designation is actually a disadvantage when one has to uphold standards which unaffiliated "fast buck & low fee" competitors have not to obey to.
I predict that Ontario will certainly follow if the Governments of the western provinces are successful in their attempts to regulate the home inspection industry. However - there is still a silver lining on the horizon - because if the individual Governments are requesting that home inspectors have to carry E&O insurance - they also have to provide an insurer willing to underwrite the risk for a nominal fee.
I can hardly wait for the long awaited announcement at the next National Home Inspectors’ Conferencein Calgary - to learn about who in fact has passed the highly promoted "National Certification" touted to be a requisite to become eventually a governmental regulate home inspector. Lets hope - for the sake of home inspectors in the greater Toronto area - that it does not only include the entire staff of Carson, Dunlop & Associates.
RUDOLF REUSSE - Home Inspector since 1976- TORONTO

[rwand1]

Gee Rudolf's commentst have a familiar ring to them!

Having been in this game now for 30 years - I am certainly not in favour of any governmental interference how I can or should operate my business. But the writing seems to be on the wall that governmental regulation might eventually become the only solution to clean up the unsustainable mess in our Canadian Home Inspection Industry.

No Kidding!

The designation is actually a disadvantage when one has to uphold standards which unaffiliated "fast buck & low fee" competitors have not to obey to.

Seems to me OAHI has its fair share of "fast buck & low fee" inspectors just as any other association does. The sentence is pointless.

In Ontario - and in particular in Toronto - the number of home inspectors who are offering their services to the public has multiplied hundredfold in recent years. During the same period the number of "Registered Home Inspectors" has remained more or less stagnant because very few "Students" or "Applicants" ever manage to obtain their "RHI Designation" - or have realized in time - that the hard to come by designation is of little or no value to make a living in this competitive business. The designation is actually a disadvantage when one has to uphold standards which unaffiliated "fast buck & low fee" competitors have not to obey to.

Do you think OAHI and CAHPI members have to obey? It only appears to be so on paper. They also report solely to themselves, no outside oversight. Common Rudolf don't be so naive! Thats why licencing is needed. Geeeez.

[George A. H. Luck]

Hey Ray! I got a phone call today while in somebody's attic and I think I know who is behind the attack from OAHI. Keep in mind that this is third party, but the caller indicated that this person is the same one who tried to railroad me out of NACHI a few years ago. I can't name him as I am not privy to first hand knowledge but by all accounts it is that same well known "personality"

C.F.I.H.I. - CANADIAN FEDERATION OF INDEPENDENT HOME INSPECTORS. Sorry all, I thought that it was common knowledge!