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Old 8/6/08, 11:03 PM
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Does mastery of a quiz in an uncontrolled learning environment equate to mastery of the subject?
Claude,

Does mastery of a quiz in an "Controlled" learning environment equate to mastery of the subject?

Thanks for proving my point!!




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Old 8/6/08, 11:36 PM
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Let me ask you this and then maybe we CAN proceed.
Are you of the opinion that NACHI Home Inspectors are certified by NACHI [on-line only], without ever taking other courses that will help advance their skills as HI's?
You have been harping on proctored exams as if they mean something! To me they mean squat, as I have stated on an earlier post, the easiest exams I have ever taken were the Building Code exams, and they were proctored!
To the general public I talk to about home inspection and various means of getting "certified", everyone is aghast when I talk about "online unproctored certification" and franchise "self-certification" after 10-14 days of training. To the buying public, our future clients, it means a lot when explained to them.............luckily for many HI's the differences have not been explained to them and not many clients bother to check out the associations or franchise training ......they rely very heavily on realtor recommendations ........the person with 3-4-5-10+ thousand $$$ on the line in commission.....oh! no conflict of interest there!!!
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Old 8/6/08, 11:53 PM
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Claude,

Does mastery of a quiz in an "Controlled" learning environment equate to mastery of the subject?

Thanks for proving my point!!
Nothing is proved as nothing was brought forward to prove a/the point.......BTW which you don't get! Too much KOOL-aid!!

Again:

If your doctor, lawyer, dentist, surgeon, anesthesiologist, mechanic, electrician got their certification, degree, license in the same way "certification" is gained here, how confident would you be of their abilities??

Mario, please don't try to dodge the question again!!!

And I invite anyone else on the board to answer this question!!!
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Old 8/7/08, 8:33 AM
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You indicate that the code exams are easy, yet stats indicate 50% or less pass the Legal course for the OBC;
Our stats are similar here at NACHI!!!




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Old 8/7/08, 8:55 AM
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If your doctor, lawyer, dentist, surgeon, anesthesiologist, mechanic, electrician got their certification, degree, license in the same way "certification" is gained here, how confident would you be of their abilities??

Mario, please don't try to dodge the question again!!!


Why would a Doctor, Lawyer, [BTW Dentists, Anesthesiologists and Surgeons are Doctors] Mechanic, and Electrician want to get certified by NACHI?
They have their own certifying bodies and therefore your hypothetical question is meaningless. Besides, HI are not in the business of splitting atoms!

Here is a list of [some, not all] the advantages and benefits for a NACHI Home Inspector.
It is sad that your stupid beliefs will not allow you to take advantage of all this!! Maybe not, you are a very stubborn man!


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Old 8/7/08, 9:48 AM
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If your doctor, lawyer, dentist, surgeon, anesthesiologist, mechanic, electrician got their certification, degree, license in the same way "certification" is gained here, how confident would you be of their abilities??
When was the last time you asked your doctor to see his "certification" as you were being rushed into the emergency room?
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Old 8/7/08, 6:28 PM
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Don't get your panties in a bunch over proctoring.... like shag rugs and Led Zepplin, such talk shows your age. Let me give a few examples:

In Colorado, every school system has to have a person with a school administor certificate. There are fewer with this certification than there are schools as the certification is hard to get. Anyway, my wife has such a certification. She is certified to have thousands of children under her care. She earned this certification completely online.

Harvard and Yale both use online courses and exams. The University of Phoenix issed over 40,000 Doctorate degrees last year to individuals who never stepped a foot on campus.

Last night we launched an online Inspector University. The column on the right are all the regulatory bodies who accept our online courses, quizzes, and exams: www.nachi.org/education.htm

Get out the sticks gentlemen, it's 2008.


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Old 8/7/08, 7:02 PM
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The whole premise that you could get someone else to take an exam for you is seriously flawed. I do not know a single person who would participate in something like that. All my friends would look at me like I had lost what little mind I had left. If you are someone who has friends like this, that speaks more about you than anything. Nick is right (again)! Most of the major universities are going to online training and testing. The State of Florida recognizes many online courses and tests without any qualms. There are some State licenses that can be obtained from online courses as well. I think this goes back to the old, old crap about, "when I got my certificate, we had to climb a greased light pole in our skivvies after taking a test in the snow and now it is just too easy" syndrome, as if they somehow had to do it the hard way. Get over yourselves. Most of the home inspectors Ive met at two different conventions are not the kind of individuals who would even consider asking or bribing someone else to do their tests. Hell, most probably don't even have any friends! Home inspectors are THE MOST contentious people on the planet and none would "trust" someone else with their livlihood, let alone let them represent them taking a test. This is much ado about nothing. Before I left the Navy they were doing corrrespondence course online for advanced programs that could be done aboard ship at sea. The potential for cheating was huge but they were not worried about it.
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Old 8/7/08, 7:08 PM
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Old 8/7/08, 8:12 PM
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Bull Squad, we don't have to randomly audit to assure 3 years in the business as the proof we require in the application process is all we'd use to verify anyway. See #2, a through f of http://www.certifiedmasterinspector.org/cmi/app.html. And I agree that 1,000 hours of CE is a laughable standard but it isn't one we use. We require 1,000 hours of CE or inspections combined. And yes, I think everyone on the Board is a vendor but don't see anything wrong with that. Start a new thread if you want to continue, we are off topic.


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Old 8/7/08, 8:40 PM
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Harvard and Yale both use online courses and exams. The University of Phoenix issed over 40,000 Doctorate degrees last year to individuals who never stepped a foot on campus.

Agreed, and there are many more of the online and distance education learning opportunities in many places. But the question that remains did all of these 40,000 take an unproctored exam to complete their "doctorates"?

Perhaps that is why they issue student cards and ask for identification at proctored exams - to verify the person writing the exam is the real person that is suppose to be there. That was the requirement in a number of university courses I have taken - through distance education, and online for the final exam.


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Old 8/7/08, 8:59 PM
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Works similarly at InterNACHI. Proctored exams harm consumers of course, but many InterNACHI members still have to take them. For instance, many continuing education offerings have a proctored exam at the end. Many of our own classroom courses do too. In Illinois for example, our online courses use proctored exams to satisfy the state. Many of our members are in licensed states and our own COE 1.10 requires them to operate legally (get a license) and so they often have to pass a proctored exam for the state. We of course strive to protect consumers by keeping the percentage of proctored exams small compared to all the testing involved in being a member http://www.nachi.org/rigorous2006.htm but invariably some of them are going to be proctored.


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The whole premise that you could get someone else to take an exam for you is seriously flawed. I do not know a single person who would participate in something like that. All my friends would look at me like I had lost what little mind I had left. If you are someone who has friends like this, that speaks more about you than anything. Nick is right (again)! Most of the major universities are going to online training and testing. The State of Florida recognizes many online courses and tests without any qualms. There are some State licenses that can be obtained from online courses as well. I think this goes back to the old, old crap about, "when I got my certificate, we had to climb a greased light pole in our skivvies after taking a test in the snow and now it is just too easy" syndrome, as if they somehow had to do it the hard way. Get over yourselves. Most of the home inspectors Ive met at two different conventions are not the kind of individuals who would even consider asking or bribing someone else to do their tests.
I find that you get the cream of the crop at conventions....they're there to learn and exchange information, better themselves. What about some of the ones that aren't there? Don't want to spend money on improvement, ain't worth the time when I can be making $$$$.

Hell, most probably don't even have any friends!
So they have to go to a convention to make some!!! The best shouldn't have many realtors as friends!!

Home inspectors are THE MOST contentious people on the planet and none would "trust" someone else with their livlihood, let alone let them represent them taking a test. This is much ado about nothing. Before I left the Navy they were doing corrrespondence course online for advanced programs that could be done aboard ship at sea. The potential for cheating was huge but they were not worried about it.
How naive are they? Look at fraud/lying/unlawfulness by elected officials, clergy, police, corporation executives......the supposed examples and leaders of our society!! Do you suppose that HI's are an exception to the general rule?? Come on!!
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Now how in heaven could a proctored exam harm consumers? Do you have any info that would back up your statement?
Absolutely! Start a new thread with this question (as we are way off topic) and I'll explain how a home inspection organization using proctored exams is likely guilty of statistical mass murder of consumers.


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Old 8/7/08, 10:51 PM
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Don't get your panties in a bunch over proctoring.... like shag rugs and Led Zepplin, such talk shows your age. Let me give a few examples:

In Colorado, every school system has to have a person with a school administor certificate. There are fewer with this certification than there are schools as the certification is hard to get. Anyway, my wife has such a certification. She is certified to have thousands of children under her care. She earned this certification completely online.
So there were no controls on all of her education; no papers/theses submitted to degreed persons to evaluate; no final exams somehow proctored. Just ducky!! I'm beginning to see why the education system is failing our children now. (A general comment)

Harvard and Yale both use online courses and exams.
A general statement with no explanations about the system. This would be outrageous if no controls were implemented.

The University of Phoenix issued over 40,000 Doctorate degrees last year to individuals who never stepped a foot on campus.

Have you ever talked to a serious academic about this place and system?

http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/...Off0350830.htm
http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/...Off0150301.htm
http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/...Off0353048.htm
http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/...Off0352747.htm
http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/...Off0352747.htm

There are 346 reports here and that is just the people that know about this site. How many others would complain if they knew about it?

Last night we launched an online Inspector University.
Are you now going to sell degrees also?

The column on the right are all the regulatory bodies who accept our online courses, quizzes, and exams: www.nachi.org/education.htm

It may be all about budgets, Nick!! Remember everyone wants lower taxes and new depts have to fight for money with established money sucking fiefdoms within government. If someone is going to offer something for free and make it easy for a bureaucrat, they will jump at it. They probably had no idea how they could do it themselves. By accepting these quizzes and other similar, they can make their recently nascent tiny fiefdom look large and impress the overseers!!

Get out the sticks gentlemen, it's 2008.
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