I had a long meeting with Alberta government on Friday regarding our course approval.

[Nick Gromicko]

... and the 3 are actually quite interlinked.

[Nick Gromicko]

If you held a gun to my head and demanded I come up with a 4th.... it would be Entertainment.

[Con Edison]

Differences that are good news for you and your family. The same goes for the Alberta government's three-year, $2.6 billion health capital infrastructure investment. These are all government commitments that are making a meaningful difference in the health care system throughout Alberta.

So, any update for the proctored exam?

5-Year Health Action Plan lays out strategies that will see improved access to care, assessment and diagnosis as well as earlier detection and better prevention of illness. As a result of this plan, they are already seeing shorter wait-times, increased continuing care options, improved access to primary care, healthier populations, and one unified high-performing health care system.





John Galt
Con Edison, Sales Consultant
Albany, New York

[Brian A. MacNeish]

Originally Posted by gromicko

Sort of. If I had to describe what InterNACHI does in 3 words, I'd say: Marketing, Business Success, and Education.

Where does certification enter the equation........other than being certified as a member?

[Russell J. Hensel]

it doesn't even certify that your a member. It verifies that you said you would do something but doesn't keep track if you do it. Every year you have criteria to meet to be "certified" and after like the first 90 days it goes unchecked.

I guess it certifies your check cleared.

This has been brought up time and again. Nick will say it is not possible to track all the members, yet he can tell where and when you got a click to your website and email you monthly to tell you.


But as I have said before if Nick kept track of the requirements and denied people renewal who did not meet them, then his "requirements" would decrease drastically and hinder the renewal process. Hence is much more profitable to make demands, brag about them to agencies and then never enforce them.

Actually brilliant....

[Vern Mitchinson]

Originally Posted by kwood

I would need my Truck just to carry my library and make two trips. One would be with my ladders and one with my books. The inspection would be two days long and they would have to provide me with a area to write up the report because I don't like leaving my V10 truck running on a hot day.
My report would be about 500+pages long and you would have to take out a small loan to pay my 100/hr inspection fees.

Hay Kevin They tell me there is an electronic machine that can store all this information. And you can even search for specific info by typing in a few words of what you are looking for.
Bloody marvellous don't you think?

[KEVIN WOOD]

Yah! I sure wish I had one. LOL

[ROBERT V. YOUNG]

Originally Posted by jmills

Nick.

You have spent a lot of time researching this matter & I am not going to argue the pro's & con's of American examination types, styles & the befits of each.
What they do at Havard, Yale or at the Bar is irrelevant with this argument.
However, you will find most "multi choice" examinations are closed book.
What is being discussed is a credible proctored examination for Alberta inspectors.
The opposition in Alberta have successfully argued that the online and by definition "open book" InterNACHI examination is not credible.
The CAPHI competition constantly use the argument that InterNACHI inspectors are inferior because of their eduction standards & they are now showing real estate agents the government regulations approving CD only. We can not all be CMI.

There is a way provide or procure credible online exam's.
I am working on a cost factor now.

Hopefully it will prove successful by most provinces accepting it.
It might eliminate the heavy cost factor in Alberta and the legislation that might be introduced in Ontario.
Give me a month.

[ROBERT V. YOUNG]

Originally Posted by gromicko

Sort of. If I had to describe what InterNACHI does in 3 words, I'd say: Marketing, Business Success, and Education.

All those 3 are fine and Business success depends upon the individual.
Missed a big one in my eyes Nick.
Networking.
How many INACHI members affiliated with other associations?
Networking; experience, ideas, education, mentoring.
Can go on but told to keep posts short. HA HA HA

[Claude Lawrenson]

Procuring credible online courses is not new! It's been done for over 9 years in many colleges and other accredited training institutes.

So what you seek - already exist.

MCQ (multiple choice question) exams for most of the above are closed book. On the other hand in Ontario MCQ Code exams are open code book, for realistic reasons. Unless you are super human and can quote code by exacting code reference.

[KEVIN WOOD]

I agree and disagree with you. Problem in Ontario is you do not need to be a super human to be a Code Inspector.
I think they should be required to do what we as HI's have to do and not just a open book test.
They should all be former Inspectors with a least 5 years of HI and not be paid what they do. Maybe then we might not have them fighting against us.

[ROBERT V. YOUNG]

Originally Posted by clawrenson

Procuring credible online courses is not new! It's been done for over 9 years in many colleges and other accredited training institutes.

So what you seek - already exist.

MCQ (multiple choice question) exams for most of the above are closed book. On the other hand in Ontario MCQ Code exams are open code book, for realistic reasons. Unless you are super human and can quote code by exacting code reference.

Yes Claude. They have been around for years.
Its how they are procured that can be reinvented.
The means of the examination and how it is delivered and witnessed.
That is my direction.
A newly accepted industry standard.
Not hard, low cost, liquid in placement ( meaning taken anywhere ) I will stop there and witnessed by accredited ( official individuals ) if you want to put a tag to it.
When the government steps in the cost is blown out of proportion.
All parties and or associations and businesses lobbies for the rights.
Everyone wants the power, profit and fame.
When asked the holder for rights to give the procured exam the costs are escalated strictly for monetary gain.
This will end that.
Lower cost and a accepted standard that is cost effective.
Everyone benefits Claude. Not just a few
Now I could be chasing shadows Claude but it is a leaning process.

[Claude Lawrenson]

Kevin it may be different in your area, but to be hired today as a municipal building inspector in the Windsor area, one must be "code certified" in specific code courses and have a minimum of 5 years or more of practical construction related field experience as well as be a post-secondary graduate. It's not what it use to be.....the code certification system has changed that in many areas.

That's a lot more than many home inspectors have that practice the H.I. business in Ontario.

[Kevin W. Hamilton]

Originally Posted by rhensel

it doesn't even certify that your a member. It verifies that you said you would do something but doesn't keep track if you do it. Every year you have criteria to meet to be "certified" and after like the first 90 days it goes unchecked.

I guess it certifies your check cleared.

This has been brought up time and again. Nick will say it is not possible to track all the members, yet he can tell where and when you got a click to your website and email you monthly to tell you.


But as I have said before if Nick kept track of the requirements and denied people renewal who did not meet them, then his "requirements" would decrease drastically and hinder the renewal process. Hence is much more profitable to make demands, brag about them to agencies and then never enforce them.

Actually brilliant....

I don't know about that. I am hardly a regular here, but I received an email stating that there were 10 courses I needed to complete to adhere to my continuing education requirements. I had fell behind and InterNACHI knew about it.

So clearly, somebody or some thing is keeping track of members and enforcing the terms of NACHI membership.

[ROBERT V. YOUNG]

Originally Posted by khamilton

I don't know about that. I am hardly a regular here, but I received an email stating that there were 10 courses I needed to complete to adhere to my continuing education requirements. I had fell behind and InterNACHI knew about it.

So clearly, somebody or some thing is keeping track of members and enforcing the terms of NACHI membership.

Both statements are true khamilton.

Vern Mitchinson , along with several otherAlberta INACHI members ( Brian MacNiech emailed me there names and I have lost them, sorry guys ) incorporated the INACHI association name in Alberta.
They have worked tirelessly behind the scenes to make sure the INACHI members where recognized.
They did not want CAHPI to have the only say in licensing sense they started the ( save me from my competitor ) practiced and preached to the government well rehearsed narrative.
There were many posts about this BUT HAVE BEEN REMOVED.
CAHPI tried to eliminate INACHI and Vern altogether from the government meetings.
CAHPI denounced him and INACHI being at the table for your sake RIGHT FROM THE START, AGAIN I have looked for the post to show you as proof.Hmmm..
That is from what I remember because the posts have been removed
Shame on them ( CAHPI ).

Vern states also that there seemed to be missed communications from INACHI central at the meetings in Alberta.
I am only stating this from memory remember.

Several members worked tirelessly behind the scenes, invested ALBERTA HI's like yourself Kevin.

I will look at this and ask questions.
Hopefully Mr. Mitchinson will reintroduce himself to the MB and communicate, seeing that INACHI needs members like this.
I myself want to invest. I look for no rewards.
I do want to know who’s in the squared circle with me at the fight though.
Sorry for the long post Kevin.
So the answer is, you are both right.