HI Training was for the birds

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Quote: Originally Posted by Colin Smythe I wonder how the instructor got his CMI?
This is yet another example why self regulation has run amuck. Licencing will get rid of the rift raft and only accredited colleges would be the new minimum. The current open season on anything goes is very sad commentary on how the industry is not policing itself.

Originally Posted by Brian A. MacNeish

Hear!!! Hear!!!

Gee now this is interesting you now think that the industry is not policing itself.

I thought you said recently about how great the National Certification was.

Glad to see you to now understand that the NCA has serious concerns.

I think NACHI with out a doubt does more for the Home Inspection industry then all other associations combined.

...Cookie

[Brian A. MacNeish]

Originally Posted by rcooke

Quote: Originally Posted by Colin Smythe I wonder how the instructor got his CMI?
This is yet another example why self regulation has run amuck. Licencing will get rid of the rift raft and only accredited colleges would be the new minimum. The current open season on anything goes is very sad commentary on how the industry is not policing itself.

Gee now this is interesting you now think that the industry is not policing itself.

Segments of the industry certainly appear to not be well regulated from within....your and Raymond's posts seem to confirm that! Alberta and BC seem to be moving toward licensing. 30+ US states have some sort of licensing in place with the free state of Texas being regulated for 20 or so years.

I see small claims court cases locally against both independent and some org members but would not have heard of them except for checking the courts' records. I find missed stuff in previously inspected houses but due to circumstances vendors took their paper losses and did not go after the inspector....so these guys go on their merry way unscathed.

I thought you said recently about how great the National Certification was.

No, Roy, I did not say how great the NCA was .....the future will tell......but I did say I supported it as, in the end, it may be the best game in town for the consumer. I put forward the idea that maybe it should be considered for the Red Seal program.....that seems to work in the trades...is recognized across Canada. You must be Red Seal certified....what do you think of it?

Glad to see you to now understand that the NCA has serious concerns.
Don't know or have never heard of any concerns about the NCA except from some on this board and yourself!

I think NACHI with out a doubt does more for the Home Inspection industry then all other associations combined.

...Cookie

By chance, just got of the phone about an hour and a half ago. A licensed "RED Seal" carpenter with 20+ years experience wanting to be an HI. This is the third call this year from someone enquiring about being an HI. For some reason I seem to attract these calls thorugh my website (last one) or someone is referring them to me.

He'd looked at buying a franchise from someone (Many 1,000's of $$$$$). Was told he could be trained and certified in less than 2 weeks......he didn't like the sound of that as it took him 4 years to become a licensed carpenter!!! So I explained the various ways to become an HI here including just hanging out a shingle as there are no regs here.....he was shocked .....especially when I told that there were already 5 to 7-8 HI's in his large rural area (CAHPI, INACHI, moonlighting municipal inspectors, independents) - he only knew of 2 of them!! I told him about NACHI and the MB...be interesting to see if he becomes a member. Told him also that Carson/Dunlop is about the best course around......do you agree???

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by Brian A. MacNeish

By chance, just got of the phone about an hour and a half ago. A licensed "RED Seal" carpenter with 20+ years experience wanting to be an HI.
No just a little about the trade system I served my 4 years and was Liciensed in Ontario .
When the interprovincial came out in the 70s~ I studied and was licenced to work in 9 Provinces.
This is the third call this year from someone enquiring about being an HI. For some reason I seem to attract these calls thorugh my website (last one) or someone is referring them to me.
You are far from alone . I have had at least 5 this year and two who have come and visited for a couple of hours.
He'd looked at buying a franchise from someone (Many 1,000's of $$$$$). Was told he could be trained and certified in less than 2 weeks......he didn't like the sound of that as it took him 4 years to become a licensed
We have had 3 P2P in this area in the last few years ,its open again. carpenter!!! So I explained the various ways to become an HI here including just hanging out a shingle as there are no regs here.....he was shocked .....especially when I told that there were already 5 to 7-8 HI's in his large rural area (CAHPI, INACHI, moonlighting municipal inspectors, independents) - he only knew of 2 of them!! I told him about NACHI and the MB...be interesting to see if he becomes a member. Told him also that Carson/Dunlop is about the best course around......do you agree???

Yes I agree of all the courses the only one I recommend is Carson Dunlop.
With that course and lots of mentoring there is a small chance they can last to make a living.
I am mentoring two at this time.
Very few get the chance to go out with a successful Home Inspector .
I was fortunate to be able to mentor under my son and it worked out well for me.
Still charge more then any one else in my area .


...Cookie

[George A. H. Luck]

"I wonder how the instructor got his CMI?
This is yet another example why self regulation has run amuck. Licencing will get rid of the rift raft and only accredited colleges would be the new minimum. The current open season on anything goes is very sad commentary on how the industry is not policing itself."

How this guy got his C.M.I. is irrelevant. The fact is that many persons who are good at what they do and have all the knowledge needed to do it, make very poor teachers. I am sure we have all had that experience!

"Licensing? Your answer to the problem is not a solution." - worth repeating.

[George A. H. Luck]

"George, Colin,

How can you make that arguement when a licencing board is structured differently than that of self regulating associations BOD?"

Who do you think that government will put in charge of any licensing if not the same group of 'good ole boys' that they have been dealing with and funding for the last ten years? Those in the halls of government don't really give a damn about the Home Inspection Industry. They just want to be seen doing something about a perceived problem. And that perception has been supplied and supported without objective evidence by this same club of 'good ole boys'. The government answer to any problem is - " Here! Take this pot load of money and go away and solve your problem ( and then if anything goes wrong we have someone to blame)

[Raymond E. Wand]

How this guy got his C.M.I. is irrelevant.

It is very relevant because it appears it qualifies him to teach or so he thinks.

Licencing will also solve the problem of free memberships given out with no qualifying accreditation being assured.

Cheers,

[George A. H. Luck]

"or so he thinks."

I think I am a damned good dancer . Doesn't make it so of course! C.M.I. is not marketed as a teaching aid or qualification.

Licencing will also solve the problem of free memberships given out with no qualifying accreditation being assured.

This is not a problem that licencing will be concerned with. Besides, if the "G.O.B's" take over there will be no guarantee of this either!

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by Raymond E. Wand

It is very relevant because it appears it qualifies him to teach or so he thinks.

Licencing will also solve the problem of free memberships given out with no qualifying accreditation being assured.

Cheers,

The CMI has no Bearing on whether a person thinks they can teach or Not . We have seem many come and go long before the CMI came about who had no idea on teaching.
To single out the CMI on this is wrong.
The CMI is just what it is used for a great marketing method.
It Confirms that a person has 1,000 hours or inspections or a combination of both.
Those who have it are satisfied, those who do not are the biggest complainers.
I wonder are they jealous of the CMI members.

Yes we know some got in under the wire but that is no different then what CAHPI/OAHI does in trying to promote there RHI.
The difference CMI is recognized in many more places then the RHI . the CMI is open to all and is not controlled by a money making group like the RHI is.
Been there done that saw the advantage and stopped paying for a membership in an association ( OAHI/CAHPI) that cares less about the other home inspectors or associations.

Cookie ....NACHI is the one for me The place with few secrets.

[Raymond E. Wand]

Well if "some" got under the wire, that cast a shadow on the whole works!
As to CMI being recognized more than RHI can you back that statement up?

Not controlled by a money making group? How can you make an unqualified statement like that? Have you seen the books?

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by Raymond E. Wand

Well if "some" got under the wire, that cast a shadow on the whole works!
As to CMI being recognized more than RHI can you back that statement up?

Not controlled by a money making group? How can you make an unqualified statement like that? Have you seen the books?

..See the Books now that is funny real funny no one has seen the Books or knows what is going on in OAHI or CAHPI For many many moons.
I wonder will they have a full audit this year .
I offered to pay for an audit in 2004 and still no one has any idea of who, what ,why or ,where the figures are..
Gee I saw how they both work and that is proof enough for me.
...RHIs have the OAHI site that is closed to any outsiders.
CMI has its own web site open to all .
..RHIs do what for other ZERO.
CMI helps others .
.RHIs have increased members in many years..
Cmi does not continue to try and keep others out.
.RHIs are so upset they tend to ignore other home isnpectors..
CMI members are no secretive and try to help all.
..RHIs are recoginised by all 200~ RHIs.
CMI is recoginised by some states.


....Cookie .... NACHI is the one for me.

[Raymond E. Wand]

Not true Roy, we have seen the books and that is what has caused the alarm with us in OAHI. As to CAHPI/National seen them too.

CMI where the credential is questionable for all to see!

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by Raymond E. Wand

Not true Roy, we have seen the books and that is what has caused the alarm with us in OAHI. As to CAHPI/National seen them too.

CMI where the credential is questionable for all to see!

As I said before it seems to me to that the ones on the outside looking in are the most concerned .
We CMIs are very satisfied and out clients too seem to be exceptionally pleased .
Three this morning where impressed to have a great team do the inspection for them .
Well see a set of books that do not balance to me seems like you did not see the books.
How about the help that is only given by CMIs how about the CMI web site how about what CMIs have done for others .
Again I say you do not hear many complaints from CMIs now those others sure are upset from what I understand there Returns are just about ZIP.


.... Cookie ...
NACHI where all even NON members are welcome to visit and post .
No other association comes Even close.

[Raymond E. Wand]

But Roy ... like all the other inspection related titles no one in the public or real estate field knows anything about the titles or the associations, particularly in Ontario and even more so in my geographic area.

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by Raymond E. Wand

But Roy ... like all the other inspection related titles no one in the public or real estate field knows anything about the titles or the associations, particularly in Ontario and even more so in my geographic area.

You could be right but you do not have enough money to get me to trade my CMI for National Certification and RHI even with free membership for the rest of my life.
I know good value when I see it .
Where else do home Inspectors get to communicate like this and present the facts.
....Cookie

[Raymond E. Wand]

I know good value when I see it .

How can you see good value when no one knows anything about it?
Can you assure everyone that everyone has gone through the same review, et ceteras?