Hybrid water heaters heat for less

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/l...shColumbiaHome


Sorry short commercial at start... Enjoy .. Roy

[Michael Larson]

It's about $2,000 installed and it is very efficient. But if you have a natural gas water tank, you wouldn't switch.

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by mlarson

It's about $2,000 installed and it is very efficient. But if you have a natural gas water tank, you wouldn't switch.

Yes that is exactly what they said .
If you are in the country or do not have natural gas this looks to me to be a great idea .
Some one posted this water heater when they first came out .
They are now just coming to Canada.

[Brian A. MacNeish]

Originally Posted by mlarson

It's about $2,000 installed and it is very efficient. But if you have a natural gas water tank, you wouldn't switch.

I got a quote aat the Fall Home Show here for what appears to be the exact same tank......$3,200.00. Not a great deal.

Where does it get its heat from.....the interior heated house.....so your electric heater in that area is supplying the heat for water....not a great deal.

Looked at the concept about 15 years ago. These are for down south where there's a cooling/dehumidification climate and lots of free heat.

You have to remember that this guy is a reporter not an EE expert. He's been fed stuff from who......the vendor.....take it from there.

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by Brian A. MacNeish

I got a quote aat the Fall Home Show here for what appears to be the exact same tank......$3,200.00. Not a great deal.
Where does it get its heat from.....the interior heated house.....so your electric heater in that area is supplying the heat for water....not a great deal.
Looked at the concept about 15 years ago. These are for down south where there's a cooling/dehumidification climate and lots of free heat.

Gee I guess you Need to read a bit more ,
Now when you have a water heater the heat goes into the home ,
You tell us you heat your home for almost nothing .
Cost in USA is
Rheem EcoSense
40 Gal. 12 Year Hybrid Electric Water Heater with Heat Pump Technology

Model HP40ES
Internet Special $1,258.20 Home Depo USA


And you being Close to USA and are able to do every thing the Insulation cost should be well under $50;00 and $25;00 for car Gas total cost would be under $1,400;00 well short of $3,200;00

[Michael Larson]

Where does it get its heat from.....the interior heated house.....so your electric heater in that area is supplying the heat for water....not a great deal.

That was my next question.

If I put one in my basement and it had to pull heat out of the local area that would reduce the heat in the building envelope.

That would mess up any savings calculations and now you would have to pay to reheat the same air during heating months.

Makes no sense to unless the unit is not contained within the building envelope.

Can anyone show otherwise?

This would be a no brainer in you have electric water heater and it actually pays back in 4 years but I don't see how that is possible.

[James H. Bushart]

I advise my clients against investing in a $2,000 water heater to save energy since the return on their investment, in terms of reduced energy costs, nil to nothing. By the time they broke even...it would be time to buy a new one.

[Brian A. MacNeish]

Originally Posted by jbushart

I advise my clients against investing in a $2,000 water heater to save energy since the return on their investment, in terms of reduced energy costs, nil to nothing. By the time they broke even...it would be time to buy a new one.

And that's somewhat "down South" where the there's a lot of free heat!

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by jbushart

I advise my clients against investing in a $2,000 water heater to save energy since the return on their investment, in terms of reduced energy costs, nil to nothing. By the time they broke even...it would be time to buy a new one.

Gee James I thought I read on one of your posts you do not give advice .
I guess I made an error sorry ... Roy

[Brian A. MacNeish]

Originally Posted by rcooke

Gee I guess you Need to read a bit more ,
Now when you have a water heater the heat goes into the home ,
You tell us you heat your home for almost nothing .
Cost in USA is
Rheem EcoSense
40 Gal. 12 Year Hybrid Electric Water Heater with Heat Pump Technology

Model HP40ES
Internet Special $1,258.20 Home Depo USA


And you being Close to USA and are able to do every thing the Insulation cost should be well under $50;00 and $25;00 for car Gas total cost would be under $1,400;00 well short of $3,200;00

I'm a short 5.5 to 6 hour drive from the US border and I don't even know if they'll have a Home Depot at the small US border town.

So how much will the average homeowner have to pay for installation?

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by Brian A. MacNeish

And that's somewhat "down South" where the there's a lot of free heat!

So it does take some heat out of the Home in the winter and In the warmer time of the year it cools the home .This tends to balance out and for 12 months it helps to remove Moisture from the home .
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I'm a short 5.5 to 6 hour drive from the US border and I don't even know if they'll have a Home Depot at the small US border town.
Gee you have no idea about Home Depot in the USA you must be the only canadian who does not shop in the USA.
I thought you where just a little more frugal then that.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by rcooke

Gee James I thought I read on one of your posts you do not give advice .
I guess I made an error sorry ... Roy

I don't, in a home inspection.

An energy audit report, however, is 100% advice with projected results for each recommendation.

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by jbushart

I don't, in a home inspection.

An energy audit report, however, is 100% advice with projected results for each recommendation.

Thanks for straitening me out Much appreciated .... Roy

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by rcooke

Thanks for straitening me out Much appreciated .... Roy

No problem.

Along with each recommendation and its projected result in energy reduction, a good analysis should also include ranking the recommendations based upon the expected return on investment.

The window salesman is not lying when he says his new double paned windows are more energy efficient....but at $900 per window and a 2% reduction in the heating and cooling bill, the new windows will probably need to be replaced long before the "break even" point.

Energy efficiency analyses need to help the client target their dollars with the rifle...rather than the shotgun....approach.

It doesn't take too many times for people to get burned, or know someone who has, before it begins to reflect poorly upon the entire industry.

[Vern Mitchinson]

In your "neck of the wood" the costs of energy may be different but here in this part of the world electricity cost about 106 times what natural gas costs. So unless the cost of Geo is 1/100 th the cost of electricity (running electric driven heat pumps) Geo is not going to sell.
A GJ of Nat gas cost $3 to $5 while a Kilowatt hour of electricity costs $0.07 to $0.04. One GJ = 277 kilowatt hours therefore $.07 or $0.04 X 277=($19.39 or $11.0/4=4.84 or 2.77 times the cost of Nat gas.
Reculculated on Feb 3/11.