If someone can get me CAHPI's and OAHI's I'll add them...

[Mario A. Kyriacou, CHI]

John,

Just so you know, Harry Janssen is a founding father of OAHI I believe his membership number is 02, it probably should have been #1. BTW he is a great guy!

[John McKenna]

Raymond was making claims and I am still trying to understand what he was saying.

[Raymond E. Wand]

John there is nothing to understand. While Nachi requires an online exam OAHI does not. Rather OAHI requires that inspectors wanting to meet entry requirements must show that he/she has experience in actually inspecting. Full Stop!

[Brian A. MacNeish]

Originally Posted by jmckenna1

Please post the entry requirements for Candians that you speak of Ray.

Here's our local chapter's entry requirements to just be an applicant./student inspector. There's another issue on the table now and may be voted on/approved at this month's quarterly meeting- 1 probationary year for all applicants. Remember these are the requirements to be a student inspector and be listed as such on the website. As an applicant or student inspector on the website, the public will probably not choose your services since there are many inspectors with full RHI status!!!

Membership Application Information

One of the major goals involved in the development of

CAHPI-Atlantic has been to introduce a high degree of professionalism into the home inspection field. As with the trades and professions, it’s simply not reasonable to accept into our membership those who are not specifically trained for the inspection work involved. Although sharing many commonalities, performing professional home inspections draws on a much broader field then simply having a
background in one of the building trades.

Clients, financial institutions, professional real estate personnel, professional builders, governments, and so forth, have and continue to insist on much more. One of the steps adopted by CAHPI-Atlantic has been to ensure that all applicants are able to “bring something to the table” in terms of education and/or applicable background training if they wish to become involved in the professional home inspection field. Therefore, before becoming a member of CAHPI-Atlantic, all potential applicants must submit proof of having a minimum of ten points from the following:
(My Notes in blue: This point total will probably be increasing in the future)

Prior Certified training- 5 Points

-a certificate indicating that the applicant has successfully completed the
requirements for one of the certified trades.
(These are gov't certified trades requiring from 2-4+ years formal training combined with field experience)

Full Recognized Home Inspection course- 7 Points

-a certificate (copy) as proof of having completed the full (complete) home
inspection course provided by such recognized training institutions such as Carson-Dunlop, Humber College, George Brown College, and so forth.
New institutions will be recognized and added as the information becomes
available. Generally, the outlets which advertise in magazines and on “blow ins” and mailouts are not acceptable to use for this requirement.
(Do you suppose that if anyone took and passed the Carson-Dunlop course they would not be able to pass the INACHI exam? Well, here they're not over the hump yet.)

Errors & Omissions Insurance- 4 Points

-proof of carrying current Errors & Omissions Insurance which covers home
inspectors

Defect Recognition and Reporting Course- 3 Points

-successful completion of course
-copy of certificate required as proof
(3 day course with 2 experienced instructors)

Successful Completion of the CAHPI, or ASHI Exams- 3 Points

-these exams can be written by contacting the appropriate association

50 Mentored Inspections- 4 Points

-observing and/or helping with 50 or more full home inspections by a CAHPI
member
-must provide written proof from the CAHPI member (mentor)
-inspections observed as part of franchise training do not qualify

Report Verification- 2 Points

For applicants who have already been involved with home inspection, they may send two of their reports to CAHPI-Atlantic for verification.

Franchise Training- 3 Points

Applicants, who are part of a recognized franchise, may use their franchise
training to account for three of the required points.
(Funny how the franchise training doesn't give you that many points!!!)

WETT- 3 Points (Wood Energy Technical Training)

Applicants who are currently WETT certified
(5 days of courses plus requires a verifiable declaration of at least 80 weeks of inspections and must include 60 inspections of wood burning appliances.)

Building Official- 3 Points

Applicants who provide proof of past service as a building inspector to a city or municipality
(We have one registered HI who had 25-30 years of municipal experience (he was one of the best around). It took him almost 2 years to reach full HI status)

Current First Aid/CPR Certification- 1 Point

Applicant may use St. John Ambulance training (if training occurred within the
last three years) for one point toward the required total.
(Don't know why they put this in!!)

SO......10 points just to get in the door and be listed as a student!! It's a fairly hard haul to go the route here and it takes time!!!!

Here's something from an e-mail to me from a Canadian who went the INACHI route:

"As far as being a "Certified Home Inspector" you are an intelligent
man........if you don't have the knowledge to back it up then it's a useless
designation.That's all I will say about that.

I would have joined CAHPI but I would have been classified as a
candidate. Brian, how many Home Inspections do you think I would have booked with that designation?"

[George A. H. Luck]

"Brian, how many Home Inspections do you think I would have booked with that designation?"

But hasn't that always been the point of labeling an inspector a "student" ? It's sort of like hanging a "student driver" sign on the car. Just watch how the other drivers try to avoid you !! The "student" label and all the other demeaning labels help to keep the rabble down and preserve market share for the 'good ole boys'.

[cboyd]

Dead on George, thats why I am a member of iNACHI. I wanted an association-not a club.

[John McKenna]

Originally Posted by cboyd

Dead on George, thats why I am a member of iNACHI. I wanted an association-not a club.

Good point.

[Mario A. Kyriacou, CHI]

If someone can get me... 4/1/08 8:25 PM asholee

WOW I'm an ****hole for posting a comment about Mr. Harry Janssen!! I love NACHI and 99% of our members, but I have to be honest here and say that we have a few very strange and ****ed up members!!

[Joseph Hagarty, CMI]

Originally Posted by Raymond E. Wand

Nick The benchmark for home inspectors was set long before Nachi came on the scene in Canada. The entry requirements to these associations is much more stringent and rigorous than Nachi, in my opinion from first hand experience. All inspectors would likely agree that they are in favour of entry requirements, to try and dilute entry to an association by way of lowering the standards is questionable. Cheers,

I am not aware of Any Organization with a Higher Industry Entry Requirement than NACHI.

Please Elaborate and Defend........

[Brian A. MacNeish]

Originally Posted by jhagarty

I am not aware of Any Organization with a Higher Industry Entry Requirement than NACHI.

Nick has pounded this into your heads until you believe it......its almost cultish......that's what makes it so scary. From what I gather just about anyone can pass the paper or take the paper again and again until they pass so eventually everyone gets in.................not everyone eventually gets in to medical school and I'm quite glad of that!!! Those of higher learning ability get in as it should be.

Presently I'm helping (free of charge) a company owned by a young gentleman make a switch from asbestos abatement and similar fields to become an energy audit and retrofit service outfit. One employee wants to become a HI to go along with the energy auditor designation he just earned after about 1+1/2 weeks of training and field experience (and he had already retrofitted homes by being an insulator/airsealer). He was a bit disappointed with the amount of study and time (on top of a regular 50-60+ hours/ week he's already working) he was going to have to put in doing the Carson-Dunlop courses and others to become an HI through CAHPI.

I told him to go to INACHI and see about their certification process. He wrote the online paper and got 70%....not bad for a first try......but he was shocked because he's never worked in plumbing, electrical, carpentry/building, heating and air conditioning. He asked me "how can this org exist?" It's numbers, numbers, numbers....make it easy to get in and......they will come. So....... he's been 5-6 weeks at the Carson-Dunlop course in his spare time and is about 1/2 way through, even when knowing just a few hours more consulting with myself or others and trying the online exam again probably would've got him "certified". He chose CAHPI; I showed him the other option (which by the way, he didn't know about previously).

The Home Inspector field is quite intriguing to MANY who have ever worked in construction somewhere. The lure of ads promising $10,000 to $30,000 per month revenue for "just looking at homes" becomes more than "eye candy" when you can do it all online without supervised exams. Roy Cooke keeps wondering why so many ("70-90%") fail in their first year: Pump out so many, flood the field and someone has to go!!! IMO, the #1 diploma mill is INACHI, not the states or HI schools. That's why the franchises give out protected areas so as not to overload the field with too many competing member franchisees........their strategy is to survive firstly and not set members up to fail by having too many in an area. INACHI certified HI's are the fastest growing group (maybe 13-14 members) in the Atlantic provinces but I know of at least 2 HI's who have not renewed INACHI membership this year and another in the process of joining CAPHI!!! Nick's strategy: make it easy to get in, keep'em coming in high numbers because they're leaving in high numbers.......goes along with what Roy's been bemoaning.

Oh! By the way, I noticed that the "Find an Inspector" function can lie to people looking for an HI by giving them distances of the nearest INACHI HI that are not true. I checked for my old hometown....it reported that an HI in Nova Scotia was only 75.5 miles away when I know it's at least 225 miles!!

[Brian E. Kelly]

Canadian Franchise points, neato. I own a Subway.

[Mario A. Kyriacou, CHI]

Originally Posted by gluck

"Brian, how many Home Inspections do you think I would have booked with that designation?"

But hasn't that always been the point of labeling an inspector a "student" ? It's sort of like hanging a "student driver" sign on the car. Just watch how the other drivers try to avoid you !! The "student" label and all the other demeaning labels help to keep the rabble down and preserve market share for the 'good ole boys'.

Precisely why I'm not a member George!

[Brian A. MacNeish]

Originally Posted by bkelly2

Canadian Franchise points, neato. I own a Subway.

What the hell are you doing inspecting then??

[Brian A. MacNeish]

Originally Posted by gluck

"Brian, how many Home Inspections do you think I would have booked with that designation?"

But hasn't that always been the point of labeling an inspector a "student" ? It's sort of like hanging a "student driver" sign on the car. Just watch how the other drivers try to avoid you !! The "student" label and all the other demeaning labels (these actually tell the truth about a person's experience and knowledge......isn't being truthful a good and desirable quality in this culture?) help to keep the rabble down and preserve market share for the 'good ole boys' (we have guys in our area moving up the ranks to become RHI's...they're not held down but know they have to pass proctored exams just like they've already done in their past education experiences. And they know they won't get "instantly" certified).

So get quickly certified online, no proctored exams......put a FULLY "CERTIFIED HOME INSPECTOR" (that's what the public sees!!!!!) on the street in 2 weeks or less (that's what's happening here with a franchisor using the INACHI certification process) who has done what ? .....some CHI's only have done 4 "mock" home inspections and no mentoring!!

From what I'm hearing from realtors at the past weekend's Spring Home Show, the franchisors reputation is falling quickly!!! Big flames usually die fast.

[Brian A. MacNeish]

Originally Posted by mkyriacou

If someone can get me... 4/1/08 8:25 PM asholee

WOW I'm an ****hole for posting a comment about Mr. Harry Janssen!! I love NACHI and 99% of our members, but I have to be honest here and say that we have a few very strange and ****ed up members!!

Ah! Mario, You have a lot to give!!