If someone can get me CAHPI's and OAHI's I'll add them...

[Raymond E. Wand]

Just as I suspected. No structured oversight which are defendable by way of bylaws which are the building blocks of any professional association.

Cheers,

[Kenneth Lott]

Have insurance and know cpr and you're halfway qualified to be a full fledged inspector! Oh, and having insurance is worth more than the Legendary Ashi NHIE, and get 2 more points for two inspections. Take iNachi's free online Defect Recognition and Reporting course and you're in. Sounds real tough to me. At least I can see why the E&O is so important, it ranks higher than the NHIE.

[Raymond E. Wand]

Thanks Kenneth I like your tongue in cheek approach to the less than qualifying entry requirements, especially the CPR point. I guess clients may require CPR when they find out just how easy it was to become an NACHI inspector.

Cheers,

[Raymond E. Wand]

This just in ... another unsigned moron gives a red star with the following message.

http://www.nachi.org/forum/showthrea...601#post336601

Go away Ray. Silly Willy Decker strikes again. Put me down fool. I will take over Canada Home Inspection in 2009

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[Marcel Gratton]

Originally Posted by Raymond E. Wand

Just as I suspected. No structured oversight which are defendable by way of bylaws which are the building blocks of any professional association.

Cheers,

Then Ray,

Could you please tell us why you retired from OAHI with all its defendable bylaws...

[Brian A. MacNeish]

Originally Posted by klott

Have insurance (if you can get it and /or afford it as an inexperienced and uncerified HI) and know cpr and you're halfway qualified to be a full fledged inspector! Oh, and having insurance (to protect the customers if you screw up as a newbie) is worth more than the Legendary Ashi NHIE, and get 2 more points for two inspections. (this is to check the report format to see that it at least meets the SOP if filled in or if there are other details/outright errors, mistakes in reporting style that may get an HI into trouble. If it doesn't meet the SOP, back to the field or drawing board))

Take iNachi's free online Defect Recognition and Reporting course and you're in.
INACHI's courses don't count for entry here. The aspiring HI must take a 3 day classroom course from experienced HI's. The discussion in the classroom is invaluable to a newbie.
Sounds real tough to me. At least I can see why the E&O is so important, it ranks higher than the NHIE.

Read the stuff, Ken. You're halfway to being a student/applicant, not a full fledged RHI,. And the HI's current status is prominently displayed on the website so the public has a chance to know what or who they're getting. To become a full RHI may take 1-3 years more depending on previous inspection #'s, # of recognized courses taken. It took a good municipal inspector with 25+ years experience about 2 years to become a Registered Home Inspector. No 2-3 day or 2 week certifications here with the public not really knowing who the HI really is unless they really dig, get referrals, etc.

[Claude Lawrenson]

Now lets change that to 100 - 200 mentored and verified home inspections. Licensing could request such a parameter for legitimizing the industry in Canada.

What are your thoughts?

[Nick Gromicko]

Mentored by whom? Our SOP course stats already show that newbies follow SOP much closer than veterans (veterans veer from SOP over time and newbies don't know how to do it wrong yet)... so I guess if we were to take Claude's good suggestion... all veterans should be required to be mentored by newbies.

[Brian A. MacNeish]

Originally Posted by gromicko

Mentored by whom? Our SOP course stats already show that newbies follow SOP much closer than veterans (veterans veer from SOP over time and newbies don't know how to do it wrong yet)... so I guess if we were to take Claude's good suggestion... all veterans should be required to be mentored by newbies.

Nick:

If a veteran has a form/program report system that asks for/requires input for SOP items, how is he going to veer from the SOP? Ignore the required stuff! Or do you mean that veterans veer from the SOP by doing more than required? This is more likely what happens.

I go over the SOP on many items. It helps set one apart......in the past 16 days, 2 senior municipal inspection supervisors and a field inspector have referred me to their friends for inspections.

[Nick Gromicko]

Brian, veterans on average cut corners because they can.

I'm not saying that their reports aren't compliant with SOP... all reporting software and reporting forms these days comply with SOP which is why ASHI's requirement that a few reports comply with SOP is so meaningless. I'm saying that on average, they fail to do everything required by SOP on an inspection more often than a newbie.

A newbie doesn't know how to cut corners and so spends 4 1/2 hours on an inspection and is far more punctilious.

Now don't get me wrong, I'd much rather have a corner-cutting veteran do my inspection than a diligent wide-eyed newbie... but with regard to mentoring... I'm not sure who would learn more from whom.

InterNACHI members hold numerous mock inspections where a bunch of members get together at a member's home and all inspect it, then meet back in the kitchen to compare reports. Anyway, what we hear from and what I've experienced on these mock inspections supports my contentions aforementioned and supports the data we collect from our SOP course (a pre-membership requirement BTW).

And, above and beyond our mock inspections, my personal experience, and data from our SOP course... the E&O insurance companies say the same thing and blame most valid claims on inspector complaceny (not incompetence).

[Raymond E. Wand]

Marcel asked:

Then Ray,

Could you please tell us why you retired from OAHI with all its defendable bylaws...

I retired from OAHI in order to effect change. I would also add that I am a member in good standing, paid membership, no disciplinary matters outstanding. I am in compliance with the bylaws.

That was a good question Marcel thank you for asking.

Cheers,

[Raymond E. Wand]

Claude posted:

Now lets change that to 100 - 200 mentored and verified home inspections. Licensing could request such a parameter for legitimizing the industry in Canada.

What are your thoughts?

Thats a good idea. Licencing if done correctly has many possible benefits in my opinion. Having an apprenticeship/internship program would certainly provide the hands on experience that is currently lacking in every association in Canada with the exception of the National and I believe BCASTT.

Licencing could also possibly be a very opportune time to try and limit our liability to some amount say $100 for argument sake. That would hopefully lower insurance rates and provide the public with qualified, bonded inspectors.

Cheers,

[Nick Gromicko]

Ray writes

limit our liability to some amount say $100

Yeah, that should provide the public with plenty of complacent inspectors.

Jeeze

[Raymond E. Wand]

.... the E&O insurance companies say the same thing and blame most valid claims on inspector complaceny (not incompetence).

The insurance companies said that? Thats big of them considering they are the ones who have been quick to settle claims without going to court. The nerve of them blaming us as being complacent and high risk!

[Brian A. MacNeish]

Originally Posted by gromicko

Brian, veterans on average cut corners because they can.

I'm not saying that their reports aren't compliant with SOP... all reporting software and reporting forms these days comply with SOP which is why ASHI's requirement that a few reports comply with SOP is so meaningless. (Not really. I drew up my own report, so it had to go through the verification process.) I'm saying that on average, they fail to do everything required by SOP on an inspection more often than a newbie.

And, above and beyond our mock inspections, my personal experience, and data from our SOP course... the E&O insurance companies say the same thing and blame most valid claims on inspector complaceny (not incompetence).

Complacency has nothing to do with the SOP. You could inspect everything and include it the report but if you didn't thoroughly inspect it, problems may surface.