Inventions and Innovations Nominations

[klott]

Someone should forward David's info to Flir, if they don't want to, send it to me and I will. David probably does not want to Toot his own horn. He seems rather humble.

[Canadian Inspector]

Originally Posted by klott

There are reasons, rules and existing laws, which prohibit employees and/or family members from participating and/or being eligible to win prizes and/or money in Promotional Giveaways, Contest and Lotteries.

In the future, there should be a rule added, that prohibits members of The Awards Commitee;

1) From being eligible to receive any awards and/or endorsements.

2) Nomination of anyone for an award and/or endorsement, by any commitee member.
That should have been a big "DUH"!

3) Any solicitation by any member, for an award and/or endorsement, for any idea, and/or physical devices.

4) Any consideration or nominations, by any member of Nachi must be accompanied by the original date and supporting evidence of the idea and/or physical device, belongs to the Nominee.

It might prevent another embarrassing fiasco, from happening in the future.

Kenneth,
What you have posted is just common sense and should have been glaringly obvious to the "Awards Committee".


You would think that any reasonable man would have thought this out.

This is NOT the first time that Members of the "Awards Committee" have been nominating other members of the "Awards Committee" for public recognition!


What an embarrassment!

[Brian E. Kelly]

Originally Posted by Canadian Inspector

Kenneth,
What you have posted is just common sense and should have been glaringly obvious to the "Awards Committee".


You would think that any reasonable man would have thought this out.

This is NOT the first time that Members of the "Awards Committee" have been nominating other members of the "Awards Committee" for public recognition!



What an embarrassment!

Really, oh sagacious one there have been other transgressions, do tell.
</IMG> Care to expound on this

[klott]

Now in all fairness to Marcel, he did not nominate anyone, he just posted it on the BB, which is one of his duties, so he should not be criticized for his action in this matter.

[Canadian Inspector]

Originally Posted by bkelly2

Really, oh sagacious one there have been other transgressions, do tell.
</IMG> Care to expound on this

Check last years nominations!

[Frank Magdefrau]

Originally Posted by dandersen

I don't believe the point of this issue is about the validity of the device. It's all about ethics.

Yes, it is all about what is right and what is wrong. Thank you David.

[Joe Farsetta]

Then someone please formally nominate Mr. Andersen.

[David A. Andersen]

Joe, I thank you and others for your consideration.

I would like to say (in rebuttal of your well class flaming), I purchased my first well last year (as I added an adjacent farm to mine) and the information was invaluable to understand my geologist!

I don't come across many wells in my service area, but "now I KNOW" the answers.

[Canadian Inspector]

ESOP's decision supported by mathematical analysis.

Recently ESOP expelled 2 Canadian members. I was personally opposed to the decisions to have them removed from InterNACHI. One of the 2 is a close personal friend of mine who has helped InterNACHI and me many times for many years. I'd go as far as saying there wouldn't be an InterNACHI presence in Canada without him. He is a good friend and I love him. But before everyone (including me) starts thinking poorly of ESOP, I wanted to state for the record that the chances of this decision having little to do with the 2 ex-members is almost zero. Clearly the two ex-members played a role in their fate.

For many years, leaders and members of other Canadian associations have sent me email after email after email (hundreds in all) complaining about these very 2 members. I ignored all of them for years, until today. Today I decided to calculate what the odds were of this being pure coincidence.

There are about 3,000 inspectors in Canada of which my inbox for years is packed with complaints from 2 other Canadian associations regarding only 2 inspectors. I won't go into all their charges and complaints. Anyway, ESOP recently removed the very same 2 inspectors from InterNACHI. InterNACHI almost never expelles anyone,s so the results of our analysis should end up dramatic.

Let's see what the odds of this being pure coincidence (the ex-members being innocent victims of ESOP and having played no role this situation) are. The odds of one of the 2 members ESOP expelled, also being one of the 2 very other inspectors that the other associations had trouble with, is 1 in 1,500 (there is a 1 in 1500 chance of drawing 1 of 2 inspectors from a pool of 3,000). Then, the odds of the exact other inspector being expelled by ESOP is 1 in 3,000 (there is a 1 in 2,999 chance of drawing 1 inspector from a pool 2,999).

Now here is where it gets interesting. The odds of them expelling those exact 2 members coincidentally (meaning that the ex-members themselves had NO ROLE in any of this and are purely innocent victims of ESOP) is (1 divided by 1,500) times (1 divided by 2,999) or 1 in 4,498,500. Or in other words... impossible.

I waited until after ESOPs decision today to make this post.

One of the 2 ex-members is my dear friend and always will be. I love him. But basic probability and statistics support several of ESOPs contentions. --
Nick Gromicko, CMI
Founder


QUOTE: Nick Gromicko
There are about 3,000 inspectors in Canada of which my inbox for years is packed with complaints from 2 other Canadian associations regarding only 2 inspectors. I won't go into all their charges and complaints.
The complaints were for .... get ready for a shocker.... Code of Ethics Violations!

Anyway, ESOP recently removed the very same 2 inspectors from InterNACHI.
End Quote:

Raymond Wand and Roy Cooke have been and continue to be an EMBARRASSMENT and a DISGRACE to the ENTIRE Canadian Home Inspector's Industry!

The numerous complaints over the last few years do not lie!

Nick is a smart man..... We are ALL glad to see him finally come to his senses!