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[Marcel Gratton]

Originally Posted by rcooke

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[mnicholet]

Originally Posted by Brian A. MacNeish

From Consumer Protection BC website:

Realtors should not:

make a referral to a home inspector if there is a conflict of interest regarding a home inspection that results in a material gain for the home inspector.

IMHO, there's always a conflict of interest called the RE commission of sometimes up $30,000 + !!!! Again, IMHO, 95%+ of realtors (used house salespersons) refer the HI's that have the shorter inspection times and have fluff reports that barely meet the SOP's.

SAD!! SAD!! SAD!!

Realtors should not be allowed to refer HI's.......PERIOD!!! They have a BIG conflict of interest!!

I second that and I third that.

But the BPCPA has mad a HUGE mistake by stating "a material gain for the home inspector" What about the Realtor? Its almost like the BPCPA is saying that only home inspectors can be unethical or have a conflict of interest.

I can guarantee everyone that a Realtor can have a conflict of interest with significant material gain, not 4 or 500 bucks... But, the Real estate boards don't care, they dont see it because money keeps making the world spin.

Even better, now that inspectors are licensed or qualified the Realtor must be off the hook... The client had a home inspection didnt they? Talk to the inspector your honour...

[hlowe]

Originally Posted by Brian A. MacNeish

From Consumer Protection BC website:

Realtors should not:

make a referral to a home inspector if there is a conflict of interest regarding a home inspection that results in a material gain for the home inspector.

IMHO, there's always a conflict of interest called the RE commission of sometimes up $30,000 + !!!! Again, IMHO, 95%+ of realtors (used house salespersons) refer the HI's that have the shorter inspection times and have fluff reports that barely meet the SOP's.

SAD!! SAD!! SAD!!

Realtors should not be allowed to refer HI's.......PERIOD!!! They have a BIG conflict of interest!!

I totally disagree, Brian, and Mark. I've heard this argument over and over, and over again, and I think a good realtor/agent will look for, and refer only good inspectors. 95% of my business comes from realtor referrals, because they know that I will call out every deficiency, and find a viable and economical solution for each of them, wherever possible. No doubt, there are bad real
estate agents, just as there are bad inspectors, but on the whole, I find most of them to be honestly concerned about the welfare of their clients. I simply won't work with any agent that lacks integrity, or shops for lowballers. For the most part, agents work with a lot of different inspectors, and get to make far better judgement calls as to the quality of his/her inspections, than a 1st or 2nd time buyer, shopping usually by price. I am in no way, out to cause offence. I just wanted to put in my 2 cents worth.

[Douglas Cossar]

Originally Posted by hlowe

I totally disagree, Brian, and Mark. I've heard this argument over and over, and over again, and I think a good realtor/agent will look for, and refer only good inspectors. 95% of my business comes from realtor referrals, because they know that I will call out every deficiency, and find a viable and economical solution for each of them, wherever possible. No doubt, there are bad real
estate agents, just as there are bad inspectors, but on the whole, I find most of them to be honestly concerned about the welfare of their clients. I simply won't work with any agent that lacks integrity, or shops for lowballers. For the most part, agents work with a lot of different inspectors, and get to make far better judgement calls as to the quality of his/her inspections, than a 1st or 2nd time buyer, shopping usually by price. I am in no way, out to cause offence. I just wanted to put in my 2 cents worth.

Good post Harold

worth repeating

I had one agent try to tell me how much to charge and what/what not to put in the report............Needless to say ...I don't deal with him/her anymore

Cheers

[Brian A. MacNeish]

"Again, IMHO, 95%+ of realtors (used house salespersons) refer the HI's that have the shorter inspection times and have fluff reports that barely meet the SOP's."

Douglas and Harold:

So I guess you guys are playing with the 5 or less % of realtors who truly want the best inspection for their clients! Or are you playing with the 95%????

I get 85% of my referrals through past customers, repeat customers from years ago, my website (90% of folks that call me because of the website use my services) and the yellow pages.

I do not have cards/brochures in RE offices nor ads in their publications/guides. I do have some of the 95% call me only for their own/family's or good friends' inspections...............their regular customers get the fluff HI recommendations!! I now charge more for these inspections!!!! If I'm good enough only for their close contact's needs then I must be worth more!!

The day I get most of my work from RE referrals, I'll know the quality of my report and service has dropped!! For example, last Friday evening, as I was finishing up delivering and discussing a report with an immigrant couple at 10:30 PM, I was handed a $50 tip as they got service they hadn't expected.

[George A. H. Luck]

I agree with Harold and Doug. I will NOT do inspections for agents who are looking for a soft inspection and they are well known in the area. That liability thing is a sword that cuts two ways. I will not put my business in jeopardy by associating with agents who are moving targets for a legal rapist. I have a list of agents I will deal with and the known offenders get the "I'm sorry, I'm all booked up for the next twenty five years." answer.

I welcome any business that a reputable agent ( and that is most of them) will send me.

[Brian A. MacNeish]

Originally Posted by gluck

I agree with Harold and Doug. I will NOT do inspections for agents who are looking for a soft inspection and they are well known in the area. That liability thing is a sword that cuts two ways. I will not put my business in jeopardy by associating with agents who are moving targets for a legal rapist. I have a list of agents I will deal with and the known offenders get the "I'm sorry, I'm all booked up for the next twenty five years." answer.

I welcome any business that a reputable agent ( and that is most of them) (why do you think someone on these boards calls them "used house salesmen" to ally them with another group of salesfolks with stellar reputations, used car salesmen?) will send me.

How do you define a reputable agent. Some of the most successful in my area are known to have questionable ethics........a sister of one of the more successful has stated this to me!!! ( I got to know this lady as our daughters were starters on a winning high school basketball team) (BTW, both of her parents and 2 brothers were realtors so she's seen a lot over time)
Storey:
One brother lives directly across the road from me but down over a hill right on the salt water bay (that's good....I can't see his house!!). 3 years ago when he was building the new $700-800 grand home, he called me 3 times to try and get me to help him on issues he was having. In the previous 4-5 years he had not referred 1 inspection to me yet wanted me to help him on his new house!!!! His regular clients won't get me but he wanted me!!! SAD!!! SAD!!! SAD!!! That is the RE industry......you can't paint it much differently!

Here's a quote from Grow-ops section of the CBC Marketplace website:
Some one commented in an earlier post that the program....
"gives real estate agents a shady image"????

A response (not mine) to that........
I believe that the Real Estate industry has done a fine job of making themselves appear shady all by themselves




I'm really surprised that someone actually gets 95% of their referrals from RE agents!! Must be marching to a much different drummer than myself. It used to be said in the building industry: If you're winning more than 1 or 2 bids out of five, your prices are probably too low. Getting 95% of referrals from realtors leads me to believe that something is amiss......short inspection times, fluff reports, prefered vendor status..........!!!

[Allen Cavdek]

Its amazing how agents can play a role in licensing of home inspectors as well, they do have some power and control in our industry and its to bad the general public is not informed to well because agents seem to like to control the process of home inspector selection when it comes time in performing a home inspection

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Then we have PHPIO sending out petitions to agents trying to get them to send it in so Ontario will also get PHPIO approved liciensing .

A Petition asking The Province Of Ontario to License All Private Home Inspectors

There is a pervading mindset among consumers, REALTORS®, Bankers, Insurers, etc. that all home inspectors are trained and tested to ensure their competence, knowledge and ability. They are not. And there are probably at least as many unqualified inspectors with little or no training, no overseeing body and no insurance practicing in Ontario as there are legitimate ones who have invested years and large sums of money educating themselves and gaining the required experience. Until the government takes action and licenses the profession, anyone can and will merely print business cards and start doing business as a Home Inspector.
We would like that to change.
PHPIO is sponsoring a petition to encourage the Ontario government to pass legislation requiring that private home inspectors be licensed to practice. British Columbia recently passed legislation, and at least six other provinces are now in the process of doing the same. We think it is time for Ontario to join them. We truly believe the only way you can be assured of any minimum level of competence is to mandate that all inspectors meet certain requirements, as any professional must.
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[Allen Cavdek]

Unfortunatly Agents still have to much control in our industry and its up to our industry to help educate the general public.

[George A. H. Luck]

Well Brian, fortunately for me, the agent's reputations precede them in my area. It doesn't take long to figure out what is what and who is whom. Maybe being in the business for ten years helps too.

[Yuri Olhovsky]

Originally Posted by acavdek

Unfortunatly Agents still have to much control in our industry and its up to our industry to help educate the general public.

Problem is that people put too much trust in their Realtor. They like when the Realtor offers them "full" service, sending them to "their own" lawyers, morgage brokers, home inspectors. There are Realtors who even advertise this as the "team work". If people would take a little bit of time to research these recommendations and realize that agents care about their commision more than anything else, they would avoid many harsh moments of their home buying experience.

[George A. H. Luck]

A Petition asking The Province Of Ontario to License All Private Home Inspectors
There is a pervading mindset among consumers, REALTORS®, Bankers, Insurers, etc. that all home inspectors are trained and tested to ensure their competence, knowledge and ability. They are not. And there are probably at least as many unqualified inspectors with little or no training, no overseeing body and no insurance practicing in Ontario as there are legitimate ones who have invested years and large sums of money educating themselves and gaining the required experience. Until the government takes action and licenses the profession, anyone can and will merely print business cards and start doing business as a Home Inspector.
We would like that to change.
PHPIO is sponsoring a petition to encourage the Ontario government to pass legislation requiring that private home inspectors be licensed to practice. British Columbia recently passed legislation, and at least six other provinces are now in the process of doing the same. We think it is time for Ontario to join them. We truly believe the only way you can be assured of any minimum level of competence is to mandate that all inspectors meet certain requirements, as any professional must.
If you would like to add your voice to this movement, please sign our petition by providing us with your name, address and email address and we will present this petition to the provincial government.

We thank you for your time and participation!

Here we go again with the big lie. Let's see the proof that licensing will improve the quality of inspections or inspectors. Let's see the statistics that support the contention that there actually is a problem of substantial size in Canada.

"Until the government takes action and licenses the profession,"

There is a solution coming and it doesn't require a vast bureaucracy, or handing over control of our independent businesses to the very people who will lie to the public about our industry, who will cast a pall over all of us to further their agenda, who will beg the real estate industry to join them in controlling the industry through a dangerous licensing scheme dictated by Realtors, who set the 'requirements' and then benefit from them, who make wild claims about licensing in Ontario by the end of April in order to frighten inspectors into joining their organizations.

Oh there is a solution coming and these people are terrified of it. As well they should be.

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Well Claude here are those facts you asked for . I have the proof .
I did an inspection and at the end was given the report from an earlier Inspection .
This Inspector is a PHPIO /NCA approved Home Inspector .
Reading his report I found numerous things he had missed some very serious .
His roof nothing report mine 10 years ~ life left & caulk the satellite dish, clogged Gutters.
Exterior He missed slope away from home Mine raise dirt around the home,.
Deck ,He missed Spindle gap over 4 inches Hangers need nails .
Garage He missed man door does not close automatically, Step from Home to garage is loose .
Main entrance He missed step 11 inches . He missed electric panel 3 openings and 6 breaker openings , wire in panel white should colour changed for 240 volt circuit GFCIs outside and Bath test faulty .
Missed Furnace condensate line no trap furnace filter extremely dirty .
He put attic not accessible I found the entrance 11~ inches of Insulation 6~ inches Fiber glass and 4~ inches of Cellulose .
Missed Ceramic floor damaged and needs rerouting .
So this person has been peer tested and would receive and would be given a BC license .
NOW! tell me how great a job PHPIO is not doing

[Marcel Gratton]

Originally Posted by rcooke

Then we have PHPIO sending out petitions to agents trying to get them to send it in so Ontario will also get PHPIO approved liciensing .

For The Record: Contrary to what Roy C stated above, PHPIO is not sending out petitions to agents only but rather to every group of people connected with the Real Estate Transaction, plus government people.

Licensing may not be the perfect solution to some looking for perfection, but in my opinion, it is the best solution presently available.