Its time the oahi members know

[Nick Gromicko]

I think that about settles it then, no?

[Stephen W. Stanczyk]

Unless a person has multiple Internet Service Providers, the IP addresses that are provided are all registered to the ISP. When an ISP receives complaints from message board owners, website owners or law enforcement agencies, it is quite easy for them to track who held a particular IP address at a specific time and date.

If an ISP receives numerous complaints they can easily cancel service to an individual. Each time one of these ID's was entered, it could have been tracked back to the original ISP, a complaint filed and let the ISP take action. If they were to have received 5-10-15 complaints about a single person, they would have cancelled their access without a second thought. The ISP most likely has strict regulations regarding spamming, hacking and hijacking while using their company.

If Chris were to have a boiler-plate letter / email that goes out to these ISP's ( which an IT Department head should have as part of their job) each time there is a problem, it wouldn't take long before a trouble maker would not have access at all.

[dcook1]

Originally Posted by sstanczyk

Unless a person has multiple Internet Service Providers, the IP addresses that are provided are all registered to the ISP. When an ISP receives complaints from message board owners, website owners or law enforcement agencies, it is quite easy for them to track who held a particular IP address at a specific time and date.

If an ISP receives numerous complaints they can easily cancel service to an individual. Each time one of these ID's was entered, it could have been tracked back to the original ISP, a complaint filed and let the ISP take action. If they were to have received 5-10-15 complaints about a single person, they would have cancelled their access without a second thought. The ISP most likely has strict regulations regarding spamming, hacking and hijacking while using their company.

Stephen,
The ISP has an IP address it assigned. They are not assigned a group of addresses to give to their clients. The routers they use creates subnets and internal IP addresses as needed, that are temporarily assigned to your computer when you loggin to your internet account. Your computer asks for the previous address it had but if it is use you will get another one.
If you use the command prompt on your computer and type in CONFIG /RELEASE and then CONFIG /RENEW you may see a new IP address.
However that is not the real point.
If someone has been abusing the system or as in this case the BB, including attacking members and impersonating others, InterNACHI can submit a complaint to his ISP provider and ask this account be stopped from submitting to InterNACHI. (Almost like your previous 11 wives asking the police to stop you from harassing them.) In extreme cases the person can be criminally charged, because as you state, all this can easily be traced back to the offenders computer.
And yes, many are offended by repeated lies of such an offender and maybe it is time for all the members to ask InterNACHI to address this situation to the persons ISP provider and get a cease and desist order in place. Only so much crap is needed by a mental midget.

This may be the next poll (in the members only section??) .... Should InterNACHI file a complaint with this person's ISP and demand he be stopped.

[Stephen W. Stanczyk]

David,

Perhaps I misunderstood the information I have found. When searching my ISP, they have a block of IP numbers from 209.206.138.0 to 209.206.255.255. Now if these were internal numbers being generated as people sign in to their account, how are they limited? And how would an exterior company have access to internal numbers? The computer / router that designates the IP address must have limitations, correct? Otherwise the computer could accidentally designate a number that could potentially correspond to another ISP.

Just curious. I don't know the answer but this is an interesting item to learn about. Below is part of the information from a search. It's all Greek to me...... Thanks for clarifying.........if possible.

[Querying whois.arin.net]
[whois.arin.net]

OrgName: CenturyTel Internet Holdings, Inc.
OrgID: CIH-12
Address: 100 CenturyTel Drive
City: Monroe
StateProv: LA
PostalCode: 71201
Country: US

NetRange: 209.206.128.0 - 209.206.255.255
CIDR: 209.206.128.0/17
NetName: CENTURYTEL-NETBLOCK3
NetHandle: NET-209-206-128-0-1
Parent: NET-209-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Allocation
NameServer: NS1.CENTURYTEL.NET
NameServer: NS2.CENTURYTEL.NET
Comment: ADDRESSES WITHIN THIS BLOCK ARE NON-PORTABLE
RegDate: 1998-03-12
Updated: 2005-08-02

[Mario A. Kyriacou, CHI]

Originally Posted by bmullen

For the record he never billed CAHPI either. There was never any question that the meetings were OAHI meetings.

Bill Mullen

I personally attended one of the 2 meetings in Kingston. I offered Cam money to pay for my way and he refused to accept it, he said it was covered by the OAHI. There was never any doubt that OAHI was picking up the tab for this meeting/seminar.
Just my opinion, but OAHI should man up to the costs incurred by Mr. Allen.

BTW The seminar or meeting group as it is referred to, was great, very informative and also offered a chance to meet some fellow inspectors from the region. Additionally, the seminar cost me approximately $500 in travel expenses, hotel, food, gas, etc. Can someone direct me to the appropriate party or parties to receive a full refund?

Seriously, Cam, if you need money to pay for this thing, call me or e-mail me.

[Mario A. Kyriacou, CHI]

Originally Posted by sstanczyk

Unless a person has multiple Internet Service Providers, the IP addresses that are provided are all registered to the ISP. When an ISP receives complaints from message board owners, website owners or law enforcement agencies, it is quite easy for them to track who held a particular IP address at a specific time and date.

If an ISP receives numerous complaints they can easily cancel service to an individual. Each time one of these ID's was entered, it could have been tracked back to the original ISP, a complaint filed and let the ISP take action. If they were to have received 5-10-15 complaints about a single person, they would have cancelled their access without a second thought. The ISP most likely has strict regulations regarding spamming, hacking and hijacking while using their company.

If Chris were to have a boiler-plate letter / email that goes out to these ISP's ( which an IT Department head should have as part of their job) each time there is a problem, it wouldn't take long before a trouble maker would not have access at all.

Stephen,

Do you need a job at NACHI, maybe the head of the IT department?

[Nick Gromicko]

Mario, you will note by Stephen's post that he confirms that we can't "block" someone from here. The most we can do is beg one of his ISPs to do something, but tomorrow he can walk over to the local internet cafe and post again.

Thanks Stephen.

Also, Cam... I understand that some of my members got much from your meeting so we're willing to pitch in so that you don't have to eat the cost.

[James H. Bushart]

Originally Posted by gromicko

Jim Bushart is incorrect.

Sorry, Nick, but you are wrong.

I signed up for Inspectionnews.com using my laptop. Different IP than my desktop...and a different provider, as well.

Since I already had a password (that I had long forgotten due to infrequent use), Brian mistakenly concluded that I was not me...but someone pretending to be me....and blocked my IP. I cannot sign in and post at inspectionnews.com using my laptop...no matter how many times I turn it on, etc.

Brian has been at this longer than you and Chris and, naturally, has abilities that you guys lack.

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by gromicko

Mario, you will note by Stephen's post that he confirms that we can't "block" someone from here. The most we can do is beg one of his ISPs to do something, but tomorrow he can walk over to the local internet cafe and post again.

Nick, you have steadfastly refused to add any verification when an account is set up.

No phone number
No address
No verifiable name or other contact info
No credit card to prove ID

So let's not pretend you have done everything that could be done.

While many appreciate the recent efforts to clean up the MB, a lot of it could have been prevented in the first place.

[Mario A. Kyriacou, CHI]

Originally Posted by mlarson

Nick, you have steadfastly refused to add any verification when an account is set up.

No phone number
No address
No verifiable name or other contact info
No credit card to prove ID

So let's not pretend you have done everything that could be done.

While many appreciate the recent efforts to clean up the MB, a lot of it could have been prevented in the first place.

Agreed Michael!!

But we still love Nick like a brother!!

[Michael Larson]

Originally Posted by mkyriacou

Agreed Michael!!

But we still love Nick like a brother!!

No question about that.

[William R. DeVries, CMHI]

Posted for Cam Allen

Its time the OAHI Members know; the truth vs a response from Mr Quackerbush.


It is now clear that we have OAHI's attention and its time the public forums heard the truth, not the spin or half truths handed out by OAHI. Let us begin with the unpaid amounts, this is accurate. If you check any modern hotel with meeting rooms you will find that such rooms rent for 4-600.00 for a meeting and a coffee serving for 30-40 people is generally in the 1-200.00 range. I suggest Mr Quackerbush check the OAHI records for the standard rates at the Ambassador as you held your Annual Meeting/Winter workshop there a couple of years ago. Actually in Mr Lloyds defence it shows where you lads spent 1423.23 for ONE room in Orillia for 50 people, damn I got a room and coffee for less than half of that!!
If as is stated Mr Lloyd prepared these documents I have on file, I commend Tom for his vast legal clerk knowledge. Preparing a defence broken down in various exhibits, witness lists, exhibit listings. I will admit I am impressed. Mr Lloyd must have extensive experience in preparing court documents, maybe they should have used Tom instead of wasting the 2500.00 on Mr Segal's office. Excuse me I forgot, the OAHI board ran Past Pres Tom out of OAHI and he is no longer in the business. To bad, he was a Pres who saw the National Program as the future for Canada, guess that explains why he was rail-roaded out!
Now we will discuss the second defence that OAHI has quietly ignored, they got their judgement not on the defence of Pres Lloyd, rather on a legal technicality that says Kingston cannot sue OAHI because and I quote from motion " lacks the capacity to commence an action" further because "CAHPI Kingston is a division of OAHI" The real defence was never heard, main reason.....simple.... Past Pres Tom was not there to defend OAHI because Past Pres Tom was "rail-roaded out" and like many of us wants nothing to do with the current administration.
The next point has already been openly clarified, NACHI Leader NIck Gromicko has flatly stated on his web site that the statement from Mr Quackerbush is straight out untrue, I never billed NACHI. Further if you go to nachi.org/forum/f48/kingston-cahpi-ontario-training-session-22253/. This is the actual message placed upon the NACHI board, see any mention of NACHI meeting there Mr Quackerbush.
Now your next statement and Mr Bill Mullen has already answered that, at no point did I ever bill or try to bill CAHPI, another untruthful statement Sir, is your collar a bit tight now.

Now we will address the recent court date, I did not attend because I was not aware of the date.... simple. I might add another point, Mr Segal's office tried to ram this motion thru a week before the trial date I was not aware of and the courts in Kingston adjourned it and your Mr Segal was fully aware this would happen BEFORE he sent his lad to Kingston. If anyone would like to see the actual letter I have from his office advising me of this, send me a note and I will fax you the document. Yesterday Mr Quackerbush, I filed notice of motion and sworn affidavit requesting this judgement be set aside, open your mail Mr Quackerbush. You will be in Kingston on February 9th to face me at that time. If you decide to spent yet more of the members money for another legal angle I will recommend the two hotels file separate action for collection and I will gladly attend as their witness.

Lastly, you must think all OAHI members are mushrooms, feed them **** and keep them in the dark. Anyone with any knowledge of legal costs knows that the price of having a Bay St Lawyer drive from TO to Kingston on two separate occasions, about 12 hours driving time in total, prepare a notice of motion that includes multiple examples of his defence including three sworn affidavit's in a thick ring binder ....can be bought for 2500.00....... there is an odour her Mr Quackerbush..........how do your rubber boots fit now Sir........OH....I missed the part on Segals letter about "in the amount of 2500.00 for fees, as agreed..PLUS disbursements.........how much were these charges Sir.

Finally Mr Quackerbush, back to the same old....same old........where are the quarterly financial statements that are required by the OAHI regulations, seems I can't find the past six months and with a membership fee of nearly 600.00 it would be nice to see where the $$$ have gone.

Have a Nice Day.........see ya on the 9th of Feb.

Cam Allen

[Nick Gromicko]

Michael, I never claimed that I tried to change our message board registration system to one that would eliminate anonymous posts. We're not going to ever do that. I agree that we could do more. We could make the whole message boad members-only. But we're not going to ever do that either.

What I claimed was that Jim Bushart was incorrect in thinking that blocking someone's IP (which we can do), blocks the person from posting. It doesn't. They can just get a new anonymous IP. Google "proxy ip" for more informstion.

Cam, how much are you out? I'll help cover it in an effort to reward industry leaders who show initiative in promoting education by way of InterNACHI-style "Open-To-All" door policies. Setting up the event cost you a lot of work and time... it shouldn't also cost you money. Good job BTW.

[Nick Gromicko]

----- Original Message -----
From: Roy Cooke
To: nick gromicko
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 9:55 AM
Subject: Thanks


Cheque arrived today thanks .
All the best to you and you family at Christmas .
Char and Roy

[George A. H. Luck]

Is it any wonder that Ontario Inspectors have had enough? Good God in Heaven! Will this in-fighting between one group of 'good 'ol boys' and another never stop?

We are all tired of this continual drivel. Please, go about gutting one another and get it over with. This constant pitting of one group against another; formation of smaller and smaller splinter groups; lies; half truths and worse only serves to further divide our industry. The unending fighting over the perceived power of being the big dog is at best unseemly and at worst . . . .

No wonder that there is so much interest in CANACHI, Canada's first national coast to coast home inspector organization. And it can't come fast enough!