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[Nick Gromicko]

Dan, I have emails confiming the movement within ASHI to make me their next Executive Director. Email me and I will tell you who to contact at ASHI to verify.

Anyway, it doesn't matter, I'm not interested. InterNACHI directly, indirectly, publicly or covertly controls dang near everything anyway. Would the President of the United States accept an offer to be the mayor of Toledo?

[Nick Gromicko]

InterNACHI is the lone SuperPower of the inspection industry and getting bigger and better every minute. www.nachi.org/whats_new.htm

[Nick Gromicko]

John Mehoff... do you mind if I call you Jack? Jack goes better with your last name. You can call me anything you want, just don't call me late for a hot meal or a message board bout with Dan Harris.

[John McKenna]

Originally Posted by gromicko

InterNACHI is the lone SuperPower of the inspection industry and getting bigger and better every minute. www.nachi.org/whats_new.htm

That is why Dan and others hate you. You remind them of their failures
and they resent the reflection of their defeat.

[Joe Farsetta]

Dan

Slumming tonight?

[John Mehoff]

Cant even be truthful, can you Nicky?

Word has it that you are salivating at the prospect of "leading" ASHI. Who will you put in charge of NACHI? Let me guess.

Have you taken NACHI as far as it can go? Word has it that NACHI is in a tailspin, and you are looking to jump ship. Isnt that what this is all about? Did you pay Kurt? Another rumour is that he will be taking over this message board to finally clean it up.

its funny because ASHI wants a public section to the message board but apparently cant afford it. What a joke. Will your junior wunderkind re-build the ASHI board in his image? Or will you turn it into another swamp of potty mouths?

What will you call your new empire? NASHI?

Maybe it will be good for ASHI. Who knows. I wont be around to see it. Call it sour grapes.

Deny this all you want. Its true and you arent man enough to admit it. Nick Gromicko, ASHI Executive Director.

I've seen the posts. Others apparently havent. So what. prove me wrong, Nicky. You cant, because I've seen the posts! Shall I post them, Gromicko? Will you deny it then?

Liar!

[Joe Farsetta]

Tailspin? You make me laugh.

Temm me something, genius; what rock did you crawl out from under?

Nick has it right with your name. Jack says it all. What you know and what you do.

If you dnt like ASHI then fine. You start this crap with nothing to substantiate any of it. Go back to sleep.

Dick.

[John Mehoff]

Hey Joe. F-you. I'll never be a member of this cesspool, and I dont take orders from you.

For those who are interested, here's the reason ASHI is falling apart. These are posts from those in the know, supposedly. Some from Kurt himself. Amazing.

The sky is falling. Run for your lives. Gromicko is the King, and ASHI has just bowed.


On ‘branding”

Scott is slightly disengenuous w/the "not a shining star" thing, though Branding was a freakshow train wreck of misguided stupidity, led by a kid w/minimal experience given way to much latitude in policy, and followed by a BOD that should have all been taken out & whupped upside the head for being so gullible & giving the latitude in the first place. "Disaster" is way too soft a term to describe the entire debacle. What could have been a decently managed tiny campaign that would have provided nice exposure, ended up as a fireworks display of wasted money, time, and energy.

Ask the Inspector. How original.

So, another plug for the "Ask an ASHI Inspector" idea. One of the ways we could reach out to the public would be to have a public component to this forum. Have all these supposed high falutin' media contacts get us some exposure as a go to place to ask knowledgeable folks about houses. We'd could have a committee; questions would come in, we'd review them, come up w/the right answers, and put them up on the forum. To get things off the ground, we could make up our own questions at first.

Yeah. Let’s form another committee. Better yet, how about a blue ribbon panel? They are so stupid, they are willing to put up their own mock questions and try and pawn them off as “real”. This is why I want to leave.



Show me the money!

This website forum has the capabilities of having a public side. The budget short fall limits our ability to immediately exploit that capability

There is no budget shortfall. There's mis-allocation of funds. We've managed to overpay for lots of things, this forum included.

A day late and apparently a dollar short

I'm hearing you talk about how ASHI needs to get the word out and how it's not possible to do. ASHI has been around the longest and as such they should have the most connections. Yet NACHI is about to launch their own DirectTV and cable channel for home inspectors and real estate agents! This is nationwide. Talk about something that is going to have a HUGE impact on ASHI membership and give NACHI national advertising. ASHI is going to have to step up big time to try and counter something like this. Obviously it's possible to get done, and needs to happen.

Recognition of the Enemy

The web is the future in the real estate business. Nick was smart, and secured zillions of domains while the getting was good. Now we can see what has happened. NACHI is becoming known as a reputable source. NACHI has an advantage over us, in that they are run by a single person, who can act decisively and quickly. We cannot, being run by committees and boards. But my belief is that if ASHI doesn't step up the pace, we will eventually become obsolete, as it no longer be worthwhile for any of us to maintain our membership.

More mis-appropriations

So, we hired the friend/associate of the outgoing ED, paid a price that was ridiculous, and got a website that does not have a professional look and feel. It's looks like a cheap polyester shirt, and I won't tell the name of the respected individual in the organization that I'm quoting.

Who said any of that? Mis-allocated funds are for all the stuff we continue to waste money on. For whatever reason, ASHI leadership seems to think they don't waste money.

We bought and paid for an MBA for the kid who's now using it somewhere else. We pay "consultants" to do things that every other business I know gets accomplished for half of what we paid. I'm not complaining. I'm stating facts. It's wasted money.

Sure I appreciate your work. I'd appreciate it a lot more if we could get off whining about how no one appreciates this or that, get rid of the ridiculously outdated and overpriced organizational model implemented by folks that aren't even around anymore, recognize the new reality, and act accordingly

Business Models that don’t work anymore

When was the Plexus report made public or available to membeship? Honestly, it may have been, and I just didn't see it. If it was, my bad for not staying on top of the news.

I'd also agree w/Bob on the "why did we need Plexus to tell us that?" I took an amazing amount of heat from a couple board members last fall (pre-Plexus) when I asked the same question. The general tone was "How dare I question the Board", and then it goes to the "you don't appreciate all the hard work we're doing" thing. Sheesh. Childish stuff.

How 'bout "What would an appropriate direction be for our means & ends?". Money spent on figuring out where to go, instead of where we were at might have been a better expenditure. I've got a pretty good idea on that one too, but I'll spare the audience my arrogance.

Vast reliance was placed on the direction of an individual that came into ASHI w/literally no experience, was anointed as The One, paid good executive salary, and then trotted out a pretty half baked managerial effort that folks fell all over themselves in praise to the guy, we paid for his MBA, and now he's gone, and we're somewhere that I'd describe gently as a "lurch". Much will be made of the confusion as a result of the absence instead of focusing on the goofiness of the tenure.

Hard realities. I'm not pissed, I'm still friends w/most of the Board, but any deflection of the reality to other areas is further avoidance. We can't afford it.

Giving credit to the Enemy. A piss-poor sign.

I think that's exactly right. Who cares what the real membership numbers are? The guy runs the thing like a home inspection operation, which we all know, is cut right down tight to the bone in most cases. I think he's really obnoxious on most levels, and sharp as a tack in critical areas that we don't seem to have a clue about.

There's no face meetings of BOD's, committee chairs flying in for a conference, or all the organizational hoohah that just evaporates money. There's no flogging around w/By Laws and all that stuff that takes an immense amount of resources to keep straight. They don't put on anything even remotely like IW, which costs a pile o' dough. One thing ol' Nick doesn't do for SURE is blow a bunch of money on consultants. Our office is consultant central. Dumping >5 figures on Plexus to tell us we're doofus's was last straw stuff for me in some ways. Not that I'm going anywhere, because I like it here, but jeeeeez..... Aren't we allowed to be smart enough to know?

Well managed, a couple mil annually is a lot of money for his sort of operation.

I think we should have hired Nick as the ED for ASHI. Laughable, silly, offensive, yes I know, but dammit, I think he'd show the tortoise a few tricks. I'll be interested to see what the new guy has up his sleeve, or if it's going back to the Executive Director Club modus operandi

I think this pretty much sums it up. ASHI can no longer get out of its own way. It is lost.

Still wont join NACHI, but I sure as HELL wont send another penny to ASHI. The sun has long snce set on ASHI as the leader. They admit it with these posts.

Hell, maybe we should have hired Gromicko. At least he believes in HIS organization.

[Joe Farsetta]

Jack,

Hell, maybe we should have hired Gromicko. At least he believes in HIS organization.

I guess you've pretty much summed it up, havent you. Isnt that the real difference?

Go ahead, Jack. Quit ASHI. Can you? Or do you still need that safety blanket. Are you Jack or Linus?

[James H. Bushart]

The end begins.

[Nick Gromicko]

John, who posted those statements on ASHI's message board?

It doesn't matter. There will be no "InterNASHI" or any type of merger and I won't be accepting the Executive Director position or any other position at ASHI.

I'm all InterNACHI forever.

We're way off thread topic and so I won't be back to this thread until it gets back on track. Bye.

[Joe Farsetta]

Let him go.

He's an a s s who cant figure out where he's going.

[Brian A. MacNeish]

Originally Posted by jbushart

This is truth.

Licensing is a process by which the state does the thinking for the consumer.

So licensing trades- electricians, mechanics, gasfitters, etc - and professionals- doctors, architects, engineers- shouldn't be done. So you believe that these folks should be able to pass unsupervised online tests and call themselves certified also? What makes this profession / trade so different??

I wouldn't want to live in your world where nothing is regulated......everyone can be anything they want to be and change professions every week or two. What are you afraid of? That you might actually have to pass supervised tests for the state regulations.

It defines a minimum acceptable standard...and all those meeting it become instantly and equally competent and qualified.

They won't be instantly certified if all must have passed a decent approved course or a set of challenge exams with the bar set higher than what we have today. As I've said before here about our chapter, it took a good ( I knew of his work personally) retired municipal inspector with 25-30 years experience about 2 years to become an RHI. Would you want he doing your inspection or a 1 day/1 week wonder to inspect your first home??

No matter how much book learning you get to pass the entrance/certification system, we'll all never be equally competent and qualified!!! You can set yourself out above the pack by experience, advertising and reputation.

[Brian A. MacNeish]

Originally Posted by rcooke

http://www.nachi.org/forum/showthrea...658#post323658

I would suggest all home Inspectors do not take Brian's advice with out talking to your insurance company and or your lawyer.

Roy:

I wasn't suggesting or recommending that any HI take it out of their contract but thinking out loud about another reason why solid, verifiable complaints #'s may not be easily obtainable.

BUT......If a gov't were to not allow it, what would happen in the industry. Do you think it puts the customers at a disadvantage when there is a serious miss.....they may have to get to a courtroom to get around this clause and force the HI to use his E&O.

Here's the CATCH 22 for the customers:
The HI tells customer when asked "Yes, I have E&O". So customer hires this HI (but not solely on the E&O question). Customer gets on site and has to sign WAIVER CLAUSE saying HI is only responsible for anything up to the value of the fee paid!! From the customers side: "What? You have E&O but I have to sign away my rights to force you to use it without going to court." Is there anything wrong with this picture. I think so!! IMO.......This practice, if allowed, should be forced to be disclosed, the contract perused by the customer's lawyer and then, maybe signed or find another HI.

To me, it is misleading the customer? Am I missing anything here.......cuz when I describe this to anyone, I get nothing but disbelief from people......this can't be real.........but I say phone around and see what you get!!!

As a side note: The vast majority of "Agreements of Purchase and Sale", the contract for the largest amount most folks will spend in their lives, get signed without a lawyer ever looking at them!!!! The customer should be educated better but when realtors won't do this, where do they turn to?

Just spent 2 hours last night with one of the best lawyers in Toronto .
See post above in members section for a few of the things I learned on how to stay out of Court . He said 90% of all HI claims are bogus..
Roy Cooke

AH!! We should talk to this lawyer as he has the answers!! Where does he get his facts from? Does the Barristers' Society keep stats on these things? We've been throwing ideas around about where to get factual #'s about complaints but little of a comprehensive nature is coming!!!

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by Brian A. MacNeish

AH!! We should talk to this lawyer as he has the answers!! Where does he get his facts from? Does the Barristers' Society keep stats on these things? We've been throwing ideas around about where to get factual #'s about complaints but little of a comprehensive nature is coming!!!

To bad you where not at the meeting or at least read my post on all the notes I took.
You of course tend to try and come on as an expert I wonder how much law education you have.
Personally I tend to believe what I heard from this experienced Lawyer who is frequently involved with Home Inspectors litigation.
Indecently I have been involved in quite a few of these think tanks with different lawyers.
I wonder where you draw your ideas from.

I stand very strongly by the statements I posted at http://www.nachi.org/forum/showthread.php?t=26256

Roy Cooke