National Cert. Poll

[rwand1]

I think its time a poll was conducted to once and for all hear how Canadian Nachi members feel about National Certification.

Please vote, we as an association need to know once and for all how the members feel.

Please feel free to answer with multiple choices.

Thank you.

[Ted Allen]

Originally Posted by rwand1

I think its time a poll was conducted to once and for all hear how Canadian Nachi members feel about National Certification.

Please vote, we as an association need to know once and for all how the members feel.

Please feel free to answer with multiple choices.

Thank you.

Hello Raymond..

In my oppinion ALL HI's should be certified to some kind of standard. Wether it be a national standard or a State by State (province) standard.

If HI's are not regulated then any Tom, Dick or James can be a HI without any regard to testing or qualifications.
In my mind this is absolutly insane. If I was the HI God, I would make all HI's pass the NHIE and complete 30+ hrs of verified HI training per year...

I should also mention that I would love to see some kind of across the board law that requires HI's to be ICC certified within 3 years.

This crazy *** test that NACHI has is fine, but there must be some further edumacation( M ) involved.

I will, one more time, state that everyone that wants to be a HI should take Gerry's ( I thought I knew more) test;
he has not released it as of yet, but I can tell you that it is a good test of your abilities, as far as recognition goes.

If you can get a 70 on Gerry's test you will do fine on all other State mandated test.

Now all you need to do is beg Gerry for the test...........

[rwand1]

Todd,

While I agree, the problem up here in Canada is the fact that these societies are all self regulating, with no outside oversite.

I strongly believe licencing as the leveller, because in Canada too many self appointed, conflicting interests. The other problem is the manner in which this Canadian program has been instituted and developed. It wants to monitor, test, audit, but itself will not put itself under the microscope. Yes its a Tom, Dick and Jane organization.

Fwiw. I have formerly passed all the ASHI exams, and I am not against one bettering one self, if you stop learning you must be dead.

[rwand1]

Lets see how many of the apathetic membership takes the time to express their views via the poll. Given Canadians attitudes it may not be all that telliing.

[Nick Gromicko]

I don't see "certification" as being anything most inspectors care about at all. Only inferior-complex-suffering inspectors worry about credentials.

Like I keep saying, while other organizations focus on certification, NACHI will keep creating more and more post licensing/post certification member benefits. We'll see who wins.

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by gromicko

I don't see "certification" as being anything most inspectors care about at all. Only inferior-complex-suffering inspectors worry about credentials.

Like I keep saying, while other organizations focus on certification, NACHI will keep creating more and more post licensing/post certification member benefits. We'll see who wins.

So far only one person feels it could mean more business.
Do you feel the National will increase your business? 1

................. Cookie........... Not me I did not make this vote.

I do think CMI has helped get us many more inspections for sure

Just say out loud and see what sounds better to you !

I am a National certified Inspector!

I am a Certified Master Inspector !

[Nick Gromicko]

Yes, that is why we developed an international professional designation: www.certifiedmasterinspector.org

[rwand1]

Hi Nick

I think you are right. Repeated polls show just how few give a crap about the National.

[George A. H. Luck]

You are right Roy. C.M.I. is an internationally recognized accreditation and it builds your business.

[Vern Mitchinson]

The questions are one sided and do not provide the other point of view. I can not answer any of your questions because I do not agree with any of them but do not have the choice to choose the other position.
I do not agree with licensing. It is not going to do what you want. If the licensing board is stacked like the administration of some associations then you will be worse off then you are now.
At lease you can ignore Associations that you do not agree with but a government board that is adverse to you can not be ignored. Your stuck and f**

[Vern Mitchinson]

Originally Posted by gromicko

I don't see "certification" as being anything most inspectors care about at all. Only inferior-complex-suffering inspectors worry about credentials.

Like I keep saying, while other organizations focus on certification, NACHI will keep creating more and more post licensing/post certification member benefits. We'll see who wins.

Whether or not they care, there needs to be a minimum standard that one must attain to become an HI. This will provide the public with some assurance that they are getting an acceptable level of competence when they hire an inspector. If there is no standard the whole industry suffers.
The only problem with a minimum standard is that to many think that is all they need, and do not work to improve themselves and the industry.
Those that do not have the qualifications complain that they are not necessary. Once they attain them than they want everyone else to get them as well.

[rwand1]

Member benefits are completely different than certification.

Unfortunately Nachi is losely organized, and will remain so as will CAHPI-OAHI.
Eventually licencing will happen in Ontario and the trend has started in at least two provinces.

The political and inspection climate are far different here than state side. Unfortunately Nachi has failed to realize this, it is not a democracy but a autocratic association, just like all the others.

[Vern Mitchinson]

Originally Posted by rwand1

Member benefits are completely different than certification.

Certification has the benifit of recognition of being judged by your peers and have met a standard.

Unfortunately Nachi is losely organized, and will remain so as will CAHPI-OAHI.
Eventually licencing will happen in Ontario and the trend has started in at least two provinces.

So you think a government appointed board is better them a board elected by the members.

The political and inspection climate are far different here than state side. Unfortunately Nachi has failed to realize this, it is not a democracy but a autocratic association, just like all the others.

At least you have the right to walk away if you do not like it and join another assoc that is more to your liking. If the government board goes sour you can not walk away unless you leave the country or your profession.

Which choice would you rather have? Leave the country or leave the Assoc and join another assoc.? The choice is dead easy.

[Claude Lawrenson]

Good points Vern....
Licensing can work however it is very risky if left to the spheres of influence.....especially others outside of this sector

[rwand1]

And how do you expect a self regulating body to manage its affairs given the historical evidence that suggest self regulation has and is a failure. There is no accountability. Otherwise the Canadian Associations would be flourishing.

Self regulation will not work in Ontario, the associations are too fractured, its to politicized within, and the apathetic membership will not support self regulation, just as CAHPI-OAHI and Nachi memberships are apathetic politically.