National Cert. Poll

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Two things about this pole

Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 22.

(1) Only 22 have bothered to vote
(2) Only 3 seem to think that The National Certification will get them more business thats about 14% who think the National Certification is an advantage .
Pretty small odds I think.

Certified Master Inspector sounds better to the one who counts .
" The Public".

................. Cookie

[Claude Lawrenson]

Vern noted several comments and I agree with them.

Certainly the poll will not change the mindset of "any" association based on the comments of a handfull. It may simply appease a few that are curious to seek answers to support their beliefs. That's fine too.

The basic premise it's a one-sided survey. As Vern stated "The questions are one sided and do not provide the other point of view."

I read it, but did not vote for any. Perhaps that is why many others have read it and did not respond. That's their choice too.

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by clawrenson

Vern noted several comments and I agree with them.

Certainly the poll will not change the mindset of "any" association based on the comments of a handfull. It may simply appease a few that are curious to seek answers to support their beliefs. That's fine too.

The basic premise it's a one-sided survey. As Vern stated "The questions are one sided and do not provide the other point of view."

I read it, but did not vote for any. Perhaps that is why many others have read it and did not respond. That's their choice too.

Then a great idea might be for you Claude to put in a pole that might be more balanced with the questions .
It would be very interesting to see what the results might be .
Thanks for your thoughts .
................... Cookie

[klott]

Originally Posted by gromicko

I don't see "certification" as being anything most inspectors care about at all. Only inferior-complex-suffering inspectors worry about credentials. Now if you feel this way, then what's up with the CMI designation or for that matter, Nachi?

Like I keep saying, while other organizations focus on certification, NACHI will keep creating more and more post licensing/post certification member benefits. We'll see who wins.

I don't understand this post Nick, please clarify.

[rwand1]

The poll was done on the fly. Response wise its like the poll conducted for statistical purposes for CAHPI-National. What were the numbers of response for that poll, I think it was 67 responses? That survey decided the direction of the National.

Claude, please feel free to conduct your own poll.

Either way with licencing on the horizon in BC, Quebec, and Alberta, that will be the trend. Just what the licencing will be based on remains to be seen.

Also of note any other poll conducted on Nachi regarding licencing and the counter arguements, the option of licencing always appears to come out on top.

Verns arguements are great, but in the end lets face it, Nachi does not have the strength, the numbers or the will to influence anything, unless members do it themselves.

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by clawrenson

Vern noted several comments and I agree with them.

Certainly the poll will not change the mindset of "any" association based on the comments of a handfull. It may simply appease a few that are curious to seek answers to support their beliefs. That's fine too.

The basic premise it's a one-sided survey. As Vern stated "The questions are one sided and do not provide the other point of view."

I read it, but did not vote for any. Perhaps that is why many others have read it and did not respond. That's their choice too.

I guess we all agree it is not the best pole to make a decision on .
But unfortunately CAHPI has given us no information at all.
We continue to get what the chosen few feel is their great ideas but I am still looking for some true facts.
Bill Mullen has shown he can give his openion on ever thing but never any facts.
Claude is great on evading but tells all how good it will be .
I would just love to see some information that decisions can be made on .
Simple Facts that all can understand.
Bill unfortunately has told so many lies it now will be hard to believe any thing he says.
Why has CAHPI not come out with some simple information that is factual.
NACHI is still the only place any information comes from.
Thank you NACHI.
This is exactly what went on in Whistler and we all know where that has gone ................... Cookie

[klott]

Is this poll for all members or just Canadian?

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by klott

Is this poll for all members or just Canadian?

If any one asks you tell them you have a Canadian Friend and he said why not go for it. .


............. Cookie

[Vern Mitchinson]

Originally Posted by rwand1

And how do you expect a self regulating body to manage its affairs given the historical evidence that suggest self regulation has and is a failure. There is no accountability. Otherwise the Canadian Associations would be flourishing.

Self regulation will not work in Ontario, the associations are too fractured, its to politicized within, and the apathetic membership will not support self regulation, just as CAHPI-OAHI and Nachi memberships are apathetic politically.

All the professional associations that operate under legislation are very successful. Doctors, lawyers, architects, Etc., and the public has faith it their abilities to provide competent service.
The Canadian HI Associations do not have the benefit of an Act that sets out the parameters that they must follow to maintain their levels of competence.

Do not the above named associations operate in Ontario?
Are they not successful?
As for apathy every group I have ever belonged to has about 5% active members and the rest follow. Then about 5% do nothing but ***** about what the active members do.

It is my desire to have an Act that recognizes all existing associations to certify HI's and they will be licensed based on that certification. With two HI Associations, Engineers Association, Architects Association and the Technical Associations being given the responsibility to issue certifications will create competition and that can only improve the behaviour of each of the associations and each and every member.

[rwand1]

I stated:

Originally Posted by rwand1
And how do you expect a self regulating body to manage its affairs given the historical evidence that suggest self regulation has and is a failure. There is no accountability. Otherwise the Canadian Associations would be flourishing.

Self regulation will not work in Ontario, the associations are too fractured, its to politicized within, and the apathetic membership will not support self regulation, just as CAHPI-OAHI and Nachi memberships are apathetic politically.

Vern,

Please note I was referring to home inspection "self regulation" (inspectors overseeing inspectors) not parlimentary Acts granting self regulation as you have provided.

I think you ban on with your othe views.

[klott]

Originally Posted by rcooke

If any one asks you tell them you have a Canadian Friend and he said why not go for it. .


............. Cookie

10-4 good buddy, thanks.

[Vern Mitchinson]

Originally Posted by rwand1

I stated:




Vern,

Please note I was referring to home inspection "self regulation" (inspectors overseeing inspectors) not parlimentary Acts granting self regulation as you have provided.

I think you ban on with your othe views.

And what do you think the professional associations do? Lawyers police lawyers, engineers police engineers and one thing is for sure they will not tolarate any interference from people that are not of their profession.