National Certification Authority NCA Elections Reminder

[Claude Lawrenson]

Making it happen requires 2 steps:
1. formal written completion of an equivalency agreement application by "said" association - just like all the others have had to complete for "independent" review by the management consultants

2. endorsement by the NCA of the management consultants report

Once again, both Bill and I are willing to support this; but we cannot force the powers to be to recognize the value it would provide even from a cost advantage and also from an administrative perspective to ALL Canadian InterNACHI members.

Bill's points are right on target. Another case in point: The same thing applies at our college that I teach at - architectural technology graduates completing a 3 year program receive 2 years of university degree educational credits towards a degree for architecture at an (LTU) Lawrence Technical University right across the Windsor-Detroit border. This agreement did not happen over night. It took about a year and half of hard work.This was based on a formal agreement reached by faculty and administration heads with common goals and the foresight to see mutual benefits in education and recognition for hard working graduates. This was formalized in an "articulation agreement" recognizing such equivalency review of education and course content already completed by the college graduate as "equal".

It's sad to say and also extremely unfortunate that in Ontario our graduates get bestowed upon them - none, zero, zilch "credit" from a Ontario Architecture Program towards a degree. The choice for grads becomes really clear - we have on average 5 or 6 graduates go to LTU per year. The majority of these are recognized as outstanding even in the University setting. It simply Ontario's loss and Michigan's gain. Many graduate and go on to better higher paying careers on the U.S. side, and further stuidies for their Masters Degree.

Bottom line - communication starts with finding common ground and being open to sharing information to create such an "agreement". This process is extremely common and takes place in a large part more often than people realize. "We" have provided a few examples. That offer was and still is open to InterNACHI, as well as other associations, having Canadian Home Inspection members. But the response to date by letter and here has not been receptive. That choice remains yours - but until we find that common ground - the fees represent the administrative cost differences already noted by Bill.

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

The same song continues to be sung by CAHPI.
We are not pleading for NACHI to go along with the NCA .
We are not trying to sell you any thing .
It is just to the advantage for the NACHI members to go along with it.
Sorry It will cost you more unless the NACHI Members go along with it .
Now if we could only find out the whole story about it .
All we get is Claude and Bill tell us it is great you will love it and we all will make more money with it .
Many years and we still no very little about it.
We know Roy is a LIAR and Bill always tells the truth ,Because thats what Bill keeps saying .
CAHPI just loves the ability to come onto the NACHI site and sing that same song Try it you will love it send in your money and we will love you at it.

...... Cookie

[rwand1]

Guys,

These are reasonable explanations Claude and Bill are offering.

They are only being told what management wishes, they cannot change the boards view. If the board has told them thats the way its going to be thats the way its going to be.

You don't have to join, but the option is yours.

And frankly the info has been more forth coming than it has been.

Thanks Bill and Claude.

[Mario A. Kyriacou, CHI]

Claude

Both Part 1 and 2 should not be a problem.

Bill

I know that you and Claude care about this Industry. You have already reduced the fee for NACHI members or at least lobbied for a reduction. I just feel you should go all the way and make it (fee) the same across the board.

Sorry I have to rush for work. I will post later.

[Mario A. Kyriacou, CHI]

Roy

Why are you listed as an active poster and not a member?

[rwand1]

The conditions have been laid down, everyone knows what is needed to make cooperation between Nachi and CAHPI/National work, the ball is now in the Nachi court.

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Mario and Ray I must have Missed some thing
Can you please tell me what OAHI members pay to take the NCA
can you Please tell me what NACHI members pay to take the NCA.
Can you please tell what the Advantage is to even consider taking the NCA.
Can you tell me who have passed the NCA.
Can you shown me the NCA Bylaw's .
Can you tell me who has control and makes the rules of the NCA.
Can you tell what the Continuing cost is to belong to to belong to the NCA.

To me there is no comparison with the NCA and
Certified Master Inspector.
The Certified Master Inspector is open and above board to all Home Inspectors.
The Certified Master Inspector has a web site to help all Home Inspectors and freely gives answers .
ALL Certified Master Inspectors are listed .
It is obvious that Both Claude and Bill Know how great the Certified Master Inspectors is as they both are now Certified Master Inspectors .
It is obvious that All Certified Master Inspectors have a lot more experience then Many who have Done the NCA.
WE know the Cost to be a Certified Master Inspector is considerable less then the NCA and that there is no continuing cost where The NCA is still a moving target and we are told the Cost could be considerable to maintain membership.
I still feel Honesty must be forth coming and equal treatment for all Canadian Home inspectors before we even think about whether this has any Merritt.
At this time I still feel it is smoke and mirrors just to make money for a % of the directors.
Why should we be listening to a NCA Director who has from the get go ridiculed NICK,The NACHI Association and its members .
This has not changed and he has never apologized for what he has said many times previously.
I do not see any advantage for NACHI to even consider cooperation with the NCA
.
...Cookie

[George A. H. Luck]

"The fee structure is very fair when you consider the extra administrative work involved in processing someone who is not from an association that has signed an equivalency agreement with the NCA.

The opportunity for NACHI members to pay the same as CAHPI members is available and has been offered many times. Why should other applicants subsidize the additional costs incurred to process and test NACHI applicants?"

BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. The fact remains that for whatever reason the point of access to this programme is sigificantly higher in cost tO the "great unwashed" than it is to those blessed persons on the inside. So the fact is that the opportunity is not equal. PERIOD.

[rwand1]

Roy

I haven't missed anything.

Stop flogging a dead horse.

The fact is you don't have to join, thats optional. Nor does Nick have to undertake review for equivalency.

Therefore the arguements are moot.

The National will either fly or fail based on its own merits or lack thereof.

You need to be concerned with OAHI and its attempts to influence the legislature as it did with Pr 158 and any attempts it makes for licencing in Ontario.

Cheers,

[rwand1]

George,

There are five options for Nachi members to consider.

1. Do not apply to National
2. Apply for CMI
3. Remain a Nachi member.
4. Join OAHI
5. Join ASHI

As to cost that is factor which has to be decided by each person, they alone will decide what they wish to spend, besides membership dues are tax deductible.

Cheers,

[Roy D. Cooke, Sr]

Originally Posted by rwand1

Roy

I haven't missed anything.

Stop flogging a dead horse.

The fact is you don't have to join, thats optional. Nor does Nick have to undertake review for equivalency.

Therefore the arguements are moot.

The National will either fly or fail based on its own merits or lack thereof.

You need to be concerned with OAHI and its attempts to influence the legislature as it did with Pr 158 and any attempts it makes for licencing in Ontario.

Cheers,

I am concerned about OAHI but OAHI does not effect me or the majority of NACHI members .
I am also Concerned about how the NCA is courting the NACHI members non stop and they still do not give the answers requested .
I wonder what you have learned to make you feel it is a good thing .

I wonder how you can except what Bill has said about You, me and NACHI in the Past .
Do you think he has changed I see no reason to feel he has .
He still is trying to con NACHI and its membership in my opinion.

....Cookie

[rwand1]

Roy

I know just as much as you do and I have made up my mind to do what I will do based on those facts.

[Bill Mullen]

Originally Posted by gluck

"The fee structure is very fair when you consider the extra administrative work involved in processing someone who is not from an association that has signed an equivalency agreement with the NCA.

The opportunity for NACHI members to pay the same as CAHPI members is available and has been offered many times. Why should other applicants subsidize the additional costs incurred to process and test NACHI applicants?"

BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. The fact remains that for whatever reason the point of access to this programme is sigificantly higher in cost tO the "great unwashed" than it is to those blessed persons on the inside. So the fact is that the opportunity is not equal. PERIOD.

George:

Please try to look at this objectively.

If something cost you $ 2 to make would you sell it for $ 1 ?? I doubt it because that just isn't good business.
But if the other party helped me make it and my cost dropped to $ 1, I could then sell it for $ 1 without losing money.

That's all we are saying. Help us reduce the cost and the NACHI members benefit.

Other associations have made Equivalency applications and if they are successful, their members will be able to be processed easier, thereby saving money.

Bill Mullen

[William R. DeVries, CMHI]

So if I read this right Join OAHI pay there admin fee deal with a huge can of worms to get a reduced rate into NCP or for go the worms and pay NCP directly and end up at the same spot but with no worms.

Well in this case maybe being wormless might be farther ahead, no slime and no stink.

2.) If I was to obtain my CMI first is there an equivilency set there with NCP or is it still the higher fees

Thanks

Billy

[Bill Mullen]

Originally Posted by wdevries

So if I read this right Join OAHI pay there admin fee deal with a huge can of worms to get a reduced rate into NCP or for go the worms and pay NCP directly and end up at the same spot but with no worms.

Well in this case maybe being wormless might be farther ahead, no slime and no stink.

2.) If I was to obtain my CMI first is there an equivilency set there with NCP or is it still the higher fees

Thanks

Billy

Hi Bill:

The NCA has invited those in charge of the CMI to send in an Equivalency Agreement apllication but so far this has been ignored. Until the CMI requirements are provided and someone signs the forms to verify they are what they are and will stay the same, no comparison can be done.

There is paperwork to be done so that both parties know what their rights and obligations will be. This is just the proper way to do business.

If this was done and both parties came to an Equivalency Agreement, the fees would be the same.

Bill Mullen